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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,297 posts)
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:23 PM Dec 2018

The Charlie Brown Christmas special was on last night.

Last edited Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:51 PM - Edit history (1)

I know; it's on whenever you want it to be on, but I receive my TV the way it's supposed to be received: over the air, via rabbit ears.

Anyway, it's so old that it's still being shown in the 4:3 format. I checked my program guide. The video was 720p, and the audio was Dolby, 5.1 channels. Neither of those standards were in effect when this classic was first shown, over fifty years ago. I wonder why the technical types didn't try to artificially stretch out the picture to wide screen while they were at it.

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The Charlie Brown Christmas special was on last night. (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2018 OP
Would you want the people and objects to be wider Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #1
No. I guess they can't do anything to alter the aspect ratio that doesn't also alter mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2018 #5
They can re-scan the originals. krispos42 Dec 2018 #10
Go buy a vintage 📺 Cartoonist Dec 2018 #2
I still have one, a 20" Sony, that I keep around. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2018 #4
Artificially stretching the picture looks like a funhouse mirror... regnaD kciN Dec 2018 #3
Even worse are the old attempts at digitizing. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2018 #6
I'm just excited to know that... llmart Dec 2018 #7
They can have my rabbit ears when they pry them from my cold, dead hands. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2018 #8
I don't understand. llmart Dec 2018 #9
You just need a good wifi connection. KatyaR Dec 2018 #12
Oh, I didn't know you could do that via DSL. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2018 #13
One older show they did an outstanding job with was The Waltons Dennis Donovan Dec 2018 #11

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
1. Would you want the people and objects to be wider
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 05:54 PM
Dec 2018

...so that there were no blank space on the sides of the screen?

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,297 posts)
5. No. I guess they can't do anything to alter the aspect ratio that doesn't also alter
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 06:03 PM
Dec 2018

the artists's intent.

How did they get 720p out of it though?

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
10. They can re-scan the originals.
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:08 PM
Dec 2018

That's my understanding. Remember, those things were hand drawn. I imagine they originally used a film camera to capture the individual stills, then edited it using conventional film techniques, then transferred the final version to videotape for distribution on SD broadcast TV.

If the original film is still viable, they can re scan it digitally. But, since it was made in 4:3 aspect, there nothing there to fill out to 16: 9.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,297 posts)
4. I still have one, a 20" Sony, that I keep around.
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 06:01 PM
Dec 2018

It works beautifully. I have a set-top converter box attached to it.

I left a Magnavox 19" CRT out at the end of the front walk a few months back. I left a sign next to it indicating that it was free for the taking. It was gone in no time.

They still work.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
3. Artificially stretching the picture looks like a funhouse mirror...
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 06:00 PM
Dec 2018

...and cropping the top and bottom (the other alternative) cuts off important parts of the frame as it was created.

It's a mirror-image of the early days of home video on VHS, when the trick was to get widescreen films like Star Wars onto a 4:3 screen. Remember the dreaded "pan'n'scan?" You lost a ton of the image you saw in theaters, plus an artificial sliding back and forth between characters as they talked. The bottom line is that, if you really want to see the work as it was intended, you've got to accept the black bars as a necessary step.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,297 posts)
6. Even worse are the old attempts at digitizing.
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 06:04 PM
Dec 2018

They were done to old standards. As soon as there's any fast motion in the frame, the picture breaks up into blocks.

llmart

(15,532 posts)
7. I'm just excited to know that...
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 07:28 PM
Dec 2018

someone other than me has rabbit ears! Hey, I can get up to 20 stations sometimes, depending on the wind/weather

Actually, between that and my Roku and Netflix I have just enough TV for my liking.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,297 posts)
8. They can have my rabbit ears when they pry them from my cold, dead hands.
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 08:45 PM
Dec 2018

Roku and Netflix? You monster!

Seriously, I've thought of that. The house where I live is not wired for cable of any sort, however. That would have to change.

KatyaR

(3,445 posts)
12. You just need a good wifi connection.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 09:45 AM
Dec 2018

I run Roku and Firestick off DSL over my phone line. Easy peasy and (somewhat) cheaper than cable!

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,297 posts)
13. Oh, I didn't know you could do that via DSL.
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 05:31 PM
Dec 2018

I hadn't thought that DSL was fast enough for that sort of thing.

How fast is your connection? Who is your provider, if you don't mind my asking?

Thanks.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
11. One older show they did an outstanding job with was The Waltons
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 08:34 AM
Dec 2018

I have to whole series and, when they prepped it for DVD, they artfully re-mastered (presumably from original prints) the program in 1080p. It was such a pretty show to watch even in 480p back in the day, but in 1080p, it's spectacular!

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