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question everything

(47,470 posts)
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:23 AM Dec 2018

If you are married, do you refer to your partner as wife/husband, or spouse?

Spouse, of course, is a gender neutral, but it is also control neutral.

Husband and wife are not interchangeable terms in English and in many other languages.

Here it is from Wikipedia:

Also compare the similar husbandry,[3] which in the 14th century referred to the care of the household, but today means the "control or judicious use of resources", conservation, and in agriculture, the cultivation of plants and animals, and the science about its profession.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husband

The movie "The Wife" clearly puts the wife as a secondary partner.

Something to think about.



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If you are married, do you refer to your partner as wife/husband, or spouse? (Original Post) question everything Dec 2018 OP
We are not married but use wife and husband Canoe52 Dec 2018 #1
She's my wife. Glamrock Dec 2018 #2
My now ex and I used spousal unit to refer to each other. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2018 #3
Wife. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2018 #4
+1000 OnDoutside Dec 2018 #5
No one says that you "control" her question everything Dec 2018 #25
Wife Flaleftist Dec 2018 #6
Husband, and yet we are partners in life. Chemisse Dec 2018 #7
Hubby patricia92243 Dec 2018 #8
"She who must be obeyed" FSogol Dec 2018 #9
Wife Ron Obvious Dec 2018 #10
I call my wife babydoll. Tobin S. Dec 2018 #11
Wife ProfessorGAC Dec 2018 #12
I refer to him using his name. Kali Dec 2018 #13
Ex-girlfriend or 1st wife Major Nikon Dec 2018 #14
I used to use the "ex-girlfriend" to refer to my wife Victor_c3 Dec 2018 #15
I liked the term "life partner" Victor_c3 Dec 2018 #16
My first wife died. Harker Dec 2018 #17
Wife. Aristus Dec 2018 #18
I use "husband" in casual conversation but "spouse" for forms and legal documents csziggy Dec 2018 #19
Good fot you! question everything Dec 2018 #20
After all these years? akraven Dec 2018 #21
I refer to her by her name. Buckeyeblue Dec 2018 #22
interchangeable jamesalex Dec 2018 #23
When speaking English, we use wife and husband, but we don't speak English at home. DFW Dec 2018 #24
Individual 1 dameatball Dec 2018 #26
My condolences, dear Melania question everything Dec 2018 #28
That would be best dameatball Dec 2018 #29
Context is everything zipplewrath Dec 2018 #27
spouse only apcalc Dec 2018 #30
When talking about her I use her first name. Cold War Spook Dec 2018 #31
The secret to making it past 20 (now 23 years)? Moostache Dec 2018 #32
We are partners Runningdawg Dec 2018 #33
When I see an old movie where they say, Croney Dec 2018 #34
Herself. TomSlick Dec 2018 #35

BlueTsunami2018

(3,490 posts)
4. Wife.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:08 AM
Dec 2018

I don’t control her nor is she in any way demeaned or diminshed by the title.

This is the kind of bullshit that makes people hate us.

question everything

(47,470 posts)
25. No one says that you "control" her
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 03:14 PM
Dec 2018

Why did you reply this way?

I was pointing that this word "husband" is used in more ways, controlling, managing. The word "wife" is used only in one way.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
6. Wife
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 04:16 AM
Dec 2018

She is an intelligent, independent, strong woman and would laugh at the claim that the term wife diminishes her in anyway, regardless of what any centuries old definitions say.

Chemisse

(30,809 posts)
7. Husband, and yet we are partners in life.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 06:28 AM
Dec 2018

I think it's more important to actually be on an equal footing with your spouse than to use a term that implies equality in the relationship.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
10. Wife
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:16 AM
Dec 2018

For all the reasons already mentioned in here. Partner sounds clinical or too businesslike.

I don't care anymore that it upsets the perpetually-offended.

Kali

(55,007 posts)
13. I refer to him using his name.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 10:09 AM
Dec 2018

and since it is a common one I use a slightly different inflection in my voice to clue the listener as to which specific person with that name. here in written form he is usually "the husband."

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
14. Ex-girlfriend or 1st wife
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 10:51 AM
Dec 2018

Never take anything for granted I always say, but sometimes mi esposa doesn't see it that way and I'm referred to as the future ex-husband.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
15. I used to use the "ex-girlfriend" to refer to my wife
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 11:26 AM
Dec 2018

the second I married her, she wasn’t my girlfriend anymore.

Now, she really is my ex-wife. We’re doing the divorce thing after nearly 14 years of marriage.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
16. I liked the term "life partner"
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 11:29 AM
Dec 2018

Around 2004-2007, when I was still in the army, don’t ask don’t tell was still very much the policy. I used to refer to my wife as my “life partner” and it’d throw everyone off.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
19. I use "husband" in casual conversation but "spouse" for forms and legal documents
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 10:44 PM
Dec 2018

And I rip into anyone that calls me Mrs. "csziggy's husband." I am not a "Mrs." - I am a Ms. I have never used his surname or a derivation of his name on any document ever.

When family sends out invitations to Mr. & Mrs. "csziggy's husband" I consider that I was not invited since they did not use any form of my name. That also means for weddings, graduations, and baby showers I do not buy gifts since I was not invited.

question everything

(47,470 posts)
20. Good fot you!
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 11:14 PM
Dec 2018

Even before her wedding there were indications that Elizabeth Cady Stanton had a vision of marriage that would differ from the cultural norm. She convinced her fiance, Henry Stanton, to omit the word "obey" from their wedding vow. She also insisted that she be known as Elizabeth Cady Stanton, not Mrs. Henry Stanton.

I cannot find it now, but she had a letter objecting to be called "Henry," comparing such custom to slaves being given their masters' names.






Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
22. I refer to her by her name.
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 07:29 AM
Dec 2018

If noticed that sometimes when people start with my husband or my wife, a complaint follows.

DFW

(54,349 posts)
24. When speaking English, we use wife and husband, but we don't speak English at home.
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 07:52 AM
Dec 2018

We just use the traditional German terms (Mann & Frau). We both are quite secure in our roles, and don't feel diminished by traditional language any more than we would feel bolstered by forced political correctness.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
27. Context is everything
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 03:20 PM
Dec 2018

Depends upon what I want to convey. In this day of single gender marriages, I often use spouse to not create a distinction.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
31. When talking about her I use her first name.
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 03:25 PM
Dec 2018

She uses my first name. This is her 5th and my 3rd, but my first 2 died.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
32. The secret to making it past 20 (now 23 years)?
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 03:31 PM
Dec 2018

I call her by her name!
If I said "wife, come hither..." I would get slapped upside the head! (actually, the 'come hither' part would probably still get me a righteously earned swat or very dirty look of disapproval!)

Using gender neutral terminology is pointless unless gender identity is central to you personally...for us, as a married couple, it's not a thing to consider or be worried about...I don't care if other people want to worry about it, but I kind of lose respect for their position the moment they demand others play by their rules too in a universal manner.

I approach it the same way I do religion or my penis...it can be great to have one, even OK to be proud of it and fantastic when shared, in private, with consenting adults...but the second you whip one of them out in public discourse, or around children, you need to stop and rethink yourself and your actions in the first place!

Runningdawg

(4,516 posts)
33. We are partners
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 03:32 PM
Dec 2018

use the other definitions interchangeably but I often call him My Old Man in jest because he's 20 years younger.

Croney

(4,657 posts)
34. When I see an old movie where they say,
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 03:34 PM
Dec 2018

"I now pronounce you man and wife" instead of husband and wife, I remember how things used to be, when a wife was a possession. Now we have all variations, and people are being called what they want to be called, and are free to be themselves...

Well, maybe when we get rid of the orange turd.

We call ourselves husband and wife mostly, but I've always been a Ms. and not a Mrs.

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