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WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
Wed May 16, 2012, 12:35 AM May 2012

So this movie the Dictator.

First of all, at least he didn't call it the Great Dictator comparing himself wit the great Charles Chaplain.

But really, this movie looks exactly like the other movies Cohen has brought us, a cruel, boorish, arrogant fool and the hijinks he causes.

Oh well, I guess my parents didn't get Robin Williams and their parents didn't get Lenny Bruce......

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CaliforniaPeggy

(149,517 posts)
1. I think your parents got a lot closer to Robin Williams than not.
Wed May 16, 2012, 01:50 AM
May 2012

And that actor is hardly worthy of the name.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
2. It's largely backwards from the initial impression.
Wed May 16, 2012, 01:51 AM
May 2012

Baron-Cohen's act is nearly-entirely one of mirrored satire...he's holding the mirror up to subjects he finds deserving of ridicule and using staged characters to goad people into making themselves the butt of the joke or outing the worst in themselves. It's not about his characters, it's about the interaction with real people ultimately revealing their nasty true selves.

Work through the premise-summaries of his major works:

Ali G: An interview show is hosted by a chav, literally a low-class buffoon. He says dumb things and his interviewees either get mad or they joke along...either way they're off-kilter, they say things they probably shouldn't, underestimate the danger to their credibility, then he drops the bomb by asking the serious pointed follow-up question they don't want to answer. Imagine what it would be like if someone got Grover Norquist to open up, play along...then dropped the "How does it feel to be an asshole who'd rather see the elderly and children starve than pay your fair share in taxes?" question and refused to accept the non-answer. People have walked out on him...they look the worse for it. Such questions need no answers, the truth is revealed in the question.

Borat: Pretty straightforward; how much antisocial, rude, sexist, homophobic, vicious behavior will people put up with from a strange foreigner in the name of cultural sensitivity or worse, an unwillingness to confront bigotry. How many people, when confronted with such behavior, will actually cop to feeling the same way or thinking the same thing. The joke isn't that the national holiday of Kazahkstan revolves around beating Jews hatched from eggs or his firm refusal to understand that the culturally-appropriate term is not n****r; it's that people will believe it when he says it, not challenge the underlying racism of it and some will even praise or admire it. It's not a ha-ha-funny joke...it's the sort of joke that forces you to confront the hard truth that we're not as evolved, civilized or decent as we want to think we are. While we're laughing at the backward customs and bigotry of provincial foreigners, we're not any better.

Bruno: Same as a combination of the above, he literally builds the most-extreme caricature imaginable of high-fashion down to the fallacy that there are no not-offensively-flamboyantly-stereotypically-gay misogynistic male fashion designers and the image that everybody in fashion has a dysfunctional body-image then sends that caricature out into the centers of the high-fashion and design industry in the guise of a style-mag journalist...where industry insiders accept it at face value as not even slightly abnormal. That acceptance underlines the point better than any mockery could: The fashion industry is an incredibly fucked-up world whose views of appropriate behavior condone and encourage misogyny, eating disorders, poor body-image, the worst kinds of stereotyping and even subtle forms of homophobia.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
3. I think I've seen just one Cohen film before, I doubt I will watch it in the near future.
Wed May 16, 2012, 10:54 AM
May 2012


Compared to the gleeful transgressions of "Borat" and "Bruno," this is Cohen's most conventional film. It has a plot, it has a romance, it sticks to the story. Not that it's mainstream, although judging by the laughter of a preview audience, who knows where the stream is anymore? He also wisely gets in, gets his laughs, and quits. The movie, like Bruno," falls short of 90 minutes, in an era where too many comedies run on relentlessly.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120509/REVIEWS/120519999

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
4. I have long yearned for the return of the comedy short. 2 - 45 minute quality comedy shorts
Wed May 16, 2012, 11:24 AM
May 2012

I would pay full price for. Adam Sandler may have been a comic genius in the "under 60 minute" format.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
5. It got a pretty good review from the local fishwrap's
Wed May 16, 2012, 11:49 AM
May 2012

usually dependable critic. Sounds like it could be pretty funny.

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Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
12. Who the fuck voted NOT to hide that?
Sun May 20, 2012, 02:50 PM
May 2012

Either we have an anencephalic member or someone has a raging hard on for the jury system.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
9. The Dictator
Sun May 20, 2012, 02:22 PM
May 2012

I once watched a showing of Chaplin's The Great Dictator with people who lived through the war (In Holland as it happens). All of them self-professed Chaplin fans before the movie. At the end, everyone was quiet and depressed and not a word was said. I didn't hear a single laugh at any point.

I'm not sure why I'm even contributing this post to be honest.

Archae

(46,301 posts)
11. Cohen is simply *NOT* funny at all, to me.
Sun May 20, 2012, 02:46 PM
May 2012

He's the guy you knew back in grade school who'd do the most asinine stuff and wave his arms yelling "Look how funny I am!"

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
13. I liked it better than Borat.....
Sun May 20, 2012, 05:26 PM
May 2012

The jokes were crude and defiantly not pc, but then I tend to think we have gone into overkill on the pc. He made fun of all these petty tyrants that the US military goes after at the same time lambasting the US by extolling the virtues of a dictatorship, which sounded very much like the 'democracy' we have know. The speech to the UN was so spot on you didn't know if you should laugh or cry. The digs at some attitudes toward women were also good. This was again, a mirror held up for us to look at ourselves. Some folks will feel uncomfortable, but the laughter helps make it a bit easier to handle some uncomfortable truths.

Just my 2 cents. I had trouble watching Borat and did not finish it. I liked this much more.

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