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Karl Lagerfeld, fashion guru, who just died, said that if you didn't know 3 languages you were a hick.
sinkingfeeling
(51,444 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Was just looking at Rosetta Stone on eBay to get it back. How did you learn?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)in College. I learned Spanish by marrying a Colombian girl and living and working in Latin America for 20+ years.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)I do remember the moment at some point were you start thinking in French. Its like an epiphany..like the moment you figure out how to ride a bike.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)working and living in Latin America. The French did come back when we were in France a couple of years ago - I actually astounded myself with how much I still understood and was able to communicate (although most Frenchmen in Paris give you "that" look and then answer you in immaculate English!)
mikeysnot
(4,756 posts)My wife used it to brunch up on her French. You can try the free app out to see if you like it. She bought the one year subscription because she uses it everyday.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Had never taken any French and while I am hardly fluent my wife was shocked at how much I could say and understand in French our first time in France. That was after 15 straight months of 2-3 hours per week.
I practice up for 3-4 months before each trip now and am good to go. If I did it 4 times a week religiously and had someone to practice with I am confident I could become fluent.
dameatball
(7,396 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)dameatball
(7,396 posts)Duppers
(28,118 posts)Close enough. My apologies.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)I always read your posts. I respect your legal knowledge. Thanks.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)"All disputes arising under this Agreement shall be submitted to binding arbitration to be conducted exclusively in Gibberish."
Alwaysna
(574 posts)unblock
(52,195 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)alwaysinasnit
(5,063 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)AJT
(5,240 posts)Ahhh, the mainframe
Siwsan
(26,259 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,706 posts)I hear Canadians swear by them.
Dale Neiburg
(698 posts)Much less fluently, German, Ukrainian, Welsh.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)He started speaking it fluently. Normally he only knows a couple words.
Dale Neiburg
(698 posts)She taught me a little -- enough to impress my mother in law. MiL and I were always very polite around each other as I was never sure how much English she understood and she was never sure how much Ukrainian I understood. We got along very well....
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)I would give just about anything to see my grandparents
Again and to ask them more about their life there. And what the trip to Ellis island was like. You don't think of these things when you are very young.
blaze
(6,358 posts)Trilingual.
What do you call a person who speaks two languages?
Bilingual.
What do you call a person who speaks one language?
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American!!!
IrishEyes
(3,275 posts)The president.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)I just looked for it and couldn't tell which one was yours.
NRaleighLiberal is an author of a great book about heirloom tomatoes
C'mon, you deserve it.
TEB
(12,841 posts)And in the 1980s enough conversational German to get by with army stationed in west Germany. And I grew up coalfields Appalachian Pennsylvania so I was a hick by birth.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)English, French, Spanish and Portuguese.
It has been very useful over the years.
onetexan
(13,036 posts)Compared to my professional colleagues in europe & elsewhere
FakeNoose
(32,628 posts)I'm sure that's what Lagerfeld was referring to when he said that. I'm moderately fluent in German, and I still remember a tiny amount of Spanish from high school (50 years ago) and this probably puts me in the 90th percentile for Americans. I believe that our collective weakness in language fluency has really damaged American credibility in the world's eyes.
mitch96
(13,890 posts)Agreed.. My Mom only had an 8th grade education (Slovak, came here at 6 mos) but spoke 6 languages... She grew up in western PA and spoke Slovak at home, went to a Russian religious school, Was an Au pair in Europe and spoke French and Spanish. Don't remember the other two.. She would curse me out multilingually when I REALLY pissed her off.. Funny as hell..
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democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Capable Genius.
ProfessorGAC
(64,995 posts)Obviously, English, and enough Italian that I can get by in that country.
But, I have to translate 80-90% of every word I hear or say from English to Italian or the reverse.
So, I'm awfully slow.
That's why I say only one & a half languages.
I also know the Russian alphabet, but only know less than 50 words. If it's that many. So I don't count that at all.
2naSalit
(86,529 posts)I have used over eleven languages in my time in musical performance, and then there's music itself. I speak English and was once fairly adept at conversational French but I wouldn't claim that now. I can read and comprehend about four languages.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,669 posts)Some German and Norwegian, which I can read much better than I can speak. I've sung in those languages (except for Cat) plus Latin, Italian, French, Spanish, Provençal, Swedish, Icelandic, Old Church Slavonic, Greek, Mandarin and Hebrew. So I know some words in those languages, but singing doesn't really count.
True Dough
(17,301 posts)is also leaving up to $20 million to his cat.
I only know one language. But in relation to the above, I say:
CRAZY!
FOU!
VERRUCKT!
LOCO!
クレージー!
pnwest
(3,266 posts)Spanish to get my point across...
ret5hd
(20,489 posts)MissMillie
(38,548 posts)otherwise... just the one.
I used to work at a prestigious college where many of the students came from abroad and I was always impressed how many of those students spoke multiple languages.
Kind of makes you wonder why so many people get up in arms about whether or not people here in this country speak English.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)besides English, I studied French in High School, Portuguese as an exchange student in Brazil, Russian in college, Ancient Greek and German in grad school.
English is my native tongue. I can still speak passable German. French I still speak a little, but only haltingly. Portugueses and Russian I now speak hardly at all. Ancient Greek ... well you don't really speak that ... you just read ancient texts. But I can't do that anymore.
Europeans speak many more languages than most Americans do.
Aristus
(66,316 posts)I should go around speaking Spanish in public places, just to see which right-wing fuckheads are going to call the police on me.
CaptainTruth
(6,586 posts)My wife is Italian & we visit her family a couple times a year so I'd love to be better at Italian. Thankfully it's about 90% the same as Spanish.
My wife was an art history & languages major, today is a professional translator, & speaks Italian, English, French, & German, & when we visit history museums she reads the Greek & Latin inscriptions to me.
I have no idea why such a smart woman married a guy like me, I'm just really glad she did.
SKKY
(11,803 posts)IrishEyes
(3,275 posts)I can speak and understand Spanish, French and Italian pretty well. I'm currently learning Japanese. I tried Irish and Welsh. They were difficult but I may try again someday. I would also like to learn Norwegian and Swedish. I like studying languages and learning new words.
DFW
(54,341 posts)A bonus is that Norwegian is so similar, they are, for all practical purposes, mutually intelligible.
IrishEyes
(3,275 posts)That is one of the reasons that studying the language appealed to me. Danish is also supposed to be similar. I want to visit Denmark and Norway someday.
DFW
(54,341 posts)Spoken, it's sort of like being in area where cell phone coverage is spotty, and words are cut off after you have spoken half of them. Another way of putting it is describing Danish as Swedish spoken with a mouth full of mashed potatoes.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,669 posts)I've been studying Norwegian for a couple of years now, and it is fairly easy, in considerable part because its grammar and word order are a lot like English. Like any language, speaking is a little more difficult. To complicate matters a bit, Norwegian has many dialects and two official written languages: Bokmål, which is used by the majority and is more closely related to Danish, and Nynorsk, which is used in some of the areas in the western part of the country. Nobody actually speaks each of them; though, except tv broadcasters; they use their own dialects that are based on these written languages. But at least Bokmål-based dialects are pretty understandable.
So, back to Danish. I've been watching a lot of Norwegian tv series and movies on the various streaming services in order to learn more vocabulary and get more comfortable with pronunciation (if you have Netflix, watch Occupied; it's excellent). Occasionally I also branch out into Swedish and Danish shows. So I was watching a Danish murder mystery based on one of the Department Q novels, and I could hardly understand anything they were saying because they swallow their Rs and make other strange sounds - until the serial killer villain turned up, who spoke Norwegian and was clearly understandable. The contrast between the sounds of the two languages was really striking when I heard them side-by-side, even though the words were almost identical.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)A method/tool that you like?
IrishEyes
(3,275 posts)There are lots of other great websites to learn a language. I can help you find some good resources if you let me know what language you are interested in learning.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Im very interested in the websites too having studied French, Spanish, German, Italian and Mandarin. French is my best language. Any websites to recommend for Italian, Spanish or Mandarin?
DFW
(54,341 posts)I speak English, Spanish, Catalan, Dutch, Swedish, French, Italian, German (Zürich dialect and high German) and Russian.
I also know smatterings of Croatian, Greek, Portuguese, Basque (Euskera), Tagalog, Polish, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish, and Japanese, but just enough to surprise the natives, not enough to hold a serious conversation.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Holy Mackarel in Polish
DFW
(54,341 posts)But if I have to converse, it's really only the nine I mentioned above. I get a few smiles with my few words of the others, but I can't hold a conversation in any of them. I can even say a word or two in a few others (Kurdish, Hungarian, Arabic), but not even enough to know what is said in return.
Still, even a few words mean that you know about their language and you cared enough to learn a word or two. People rarely expect that in Americans because they rarely GET that kind of respect from Americans.
But I DO have some fun at times. At the hotel I usually stay at in Brussels last week, there was a new employee at the check-out counter. A colleague of hers, who is from Macedonia, and with whom I speak my few phrases of Croatian, was at the counter, too. I asked the new woman where she was from, and she said Sweden. I said, OK, well, then she could speak Swedish to me. Me, being a dumb American, she just laughed and said "yeah, right, I don't think so." Her Macedonian colleague assured her I could indeed speak Swedish. She still didn't believe it. I told her to say something in Swedish. She asked "what?" I said, tell me in Swedish that you don't think I can speak Swedish. She did. I then answered, "Varför tror du att jag inte kan svenska? Jag pratar svenska flyttande!" (Why don't you think I know Swedish? I speak Swedish fluently!) She nearly fell over backwards, and said she had never heard an American speak Swedish fluently and practically without an accent before. I told her, yes, you probably did, but you never realized it was an American because you were so convinced we were incapable of learning your language. THAT gave her food for thought.
We Americans are not more stupid than people from other countries, just mostly too arrogant to think we need to learn other languages. Maybe many of us don't NEED to, but other languages give you a free window into other cultures you never get otherwise, expansion of mental horizons, if you will. For that matter, if I had never learnd German, I would never have met and married the woman of my dreams. That alone was reason enough! We raised our daughters bilingually (I only spoke to them in English, and my wife only spoke to them in German) on purpose so they could automatically be at home in two languages and two cultures, and it was well worth the effort.
Even if you don't NEED to learn another language, everyone SHOULD.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Language (maybe Italian? Or Polish) and to revive my French! What a cool thing to do and good for your brain.
Are some easier to learn than others?
Perhaps Europeans are more multi-lingual since they are geographically so close to each other and there are many open borders???
DFW
(54,341 posts)It's REALLY easy if English is your native language. Our professor spoke Swedish to us from day one in college, and by the end of the year, we could all pretty much hold our own in conversation. I was in Sweden the summer before I entered college, and went back a year later, after my first year of Swedish in college, and they couldn't believe it. They had all convinced themselves that their language was so difficult, and yet, it really isn't. You don't even have to conjugate verbs. In Swedish it's always the same form for 1st, 2nd and 3rd person, both singular AND plural!
As for the Europeans, you are exactly right. Germany, for example borders on ten other countries. Cross the German border, and you can hear, Danish, Dutch, French, Letzeburgisch (Luxembourgish), Schwyzerdüütsch (Swiss German), Czech and Polish. Austria borders on parts of the former Yugoslavia, Hungary, Germany and Italy. Etc. Etc. Etc. If you are in Brussels, drive for 3 hours in any direction, and you are in the Netherlands or Germany or Luxembourg or France or drowning in the North Sea. Switzerland is only somewhat bigger than Connecticut, and has FOUR official languages. With that kind of proximity, a European has to be REALLY insular to speak only one language.
I find the Romance Languages fairly similar and easy (French, Italian, Catalan, Spanish), except for Portuguese (pronunciation) and Romanian (also Latin-derived, but 2 millenia of totally different development and influences). The Germanic languages--EXCEPT for German, which retains some antiquated declensions--are also relatively easy. Dutch (Nederlands) is closest to German, where the Scandinavian languages are much closer to English. Don't get fooled by geographical proximity! Finnish and Hungarian aren't European languages except for geography. Linguistically, they are no more similar to European languages than Kyrgyz.
Beyond those two, I find Japanese to be the biggest challenge, as it is spoken backwards (for our western brains), just as European languages are spoken backwards as far as a Japanese is concerned.
kairos12
(12,852 posts)bif
(22,697 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)As Malaria claims she is, I would give a couple speeches/talks to different groups. But I saw her website showing she graduated with a degree in architecture before it disappeared and they then said she went for one year?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts).
sakabatou
(42,146 posts)and Hebrew (reading only).
fierywoman
(7,683 posts)ailsagirl
(22,893 posts)German
Spanish
English
Working on Scottish Gaelic (a tough one)
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)ailsagirl
(22,893 posts)I took Spanish in school
I lived in Germany for a year
But I wouldn't say I'm fluent (I should have added that to begin with)
And Scots Gaelic? Pie in the sky, methinks!!
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Some Spanish. A tiny bit of Irish. A tiny bit of Russian. I had a year of Arabic in grad school and somehow made "A"s.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)I was thinking about tackling my ancestor language. Russian, Polish or Ukrainian. Isn't it immensely more difficult to have to learn a new alphabet too?
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)I taught myself the Hebrew alphabet when I was learning Yiddish. That wasn't too difficult. Cyrillic isn't so bad. Arabic is tough! You would think that, since I knew another Semitic language, Arabic would be easy. Not so!
Duppers
(28,118 posts)2
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)Two
Watashi wa nihongo to eigo ga hanasemasu. 私は日本語と英語が話せます。
btw...
I have a friend who speaks five languages ..English, Mandarin, Cantonese, Japanese
and Korean.
applegrove
(118,609 posts)Dave in VA
(2,037 posts)English, Spanish, French.
English (given)
Spanish, 3 yrs HS, 3 semesters in college
French, wife worked for a french company so hired a personal tutor so I wouldn't be the "stupid American" sitting in the corner at company events.
I have learned that the more wine I drink at diner the better my spanish/french gets!
I try to practice each of them for a few minutes each day. Just conjugate a verb or two!
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)My hometown is very rural.
beveeheart
(1,369 posts)Wolf Frankula
(3,600 posts)I took Spanish and German in school. But forgot most of them because I never had a chance to use them.
Wolf
madamesilverspurs
(15,800 posts)And that's after three years of French I in high school. Hick I am, yeah? I'm told that my lack of language ability is related to my inability to read music or do complex math. Whatevah.
My cousin, on the other hand, is fluent in half a dozen languages and can get by in a dozen more; comes in handy when you're in international banking.
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Lionel Mandrake
(4,076 posts)English, 0.1German, 0.01French, and 0.001Spanish, where 0.1 means ein bisschen, 0.01 means un tout petit peu, and 0.001 means un poquititito. I could copy DFW if, like a cat, I had nine lives.