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(4,602 posts)Democratic socialism is something different.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,669 posts)and a heavily-regulated capitalist economic system with a strong and comprehensive social safety net (and a well-managed sovereign wealth fund derived from North Sea oil).
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)John Birch Society spewing's.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)in those countries because they're ... in so many words ... almost all white people, with a 'common culture', according to them.
That, and it's the 'fact' that they don't have to have a military, you know, 'cause the USA protects them.
I'm not remotely kidding.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)heard your posted statement since at least 1948 from the Bundt people(world war 2 German sympathizers) which were many in my area. Many of these same folks now have Grand Children saying the same crap.
Let the friggin sunshine in and disinfect their Brains.
niyad
(113,257 posts)DFW
(54,341 posts)First of all, Norway has an untold fortune put away from its North Sea Oil, and has a per capita reserve beyond the scope of our imagination. The income is high, but the cost of EVERYTHING there is off the charts. Housing, food, it's insane. Last time I was in Bergen, my wife and I saw a fruit stand with some nice-looking cherries, so we bought a kilo. We should have asked first. I had to fork over NKR 100, about $20. "Veldig dyrt" as another DUer so aptly put it.
Education and medical care are, of course, not free. Doctors don't work for free. Medicine is not given to hospitals and clinics for free. Teachers do not work for zero salary. Schools are not heated for free. Electricity is not provided for free. These things are publicly financed. They are not free. Har du vært i Norge?
And in the hellhole of the USA, where one of my daughters works, she gets 3 weeks paid vacation. I don't know what my wife would have gotten in the USA or Norway, but the 850 euros a month she gets as a pension here in Germany wouldn't go very far if I weren't still working (as a legal resident of Germany working here, I get zero pension or health insurance, but still have to pay 50% in taxes).
I know people from all three Scandinavian countries, and my Swedish is near fluent. They all laugh at the attempts of some Americans to portray their countries as some kind of Socialist paradise, where they are in fact neither. With their small populations and sensible attitudes towards foreign trade, they have done better than we have in many areas, but not all. If you think we have it bad with our neo-Nazis, just ask any Swede how it is in their country. Posting charts from biased sites with an agenda is different from pasting from Fox....how, exactly?
SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)Stats like these really don't mean anything without an attribution.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,669 posts)by both the Right and the Left. Socialism is an economic system in which all means of production and distribution are owned collectively rather than by private owners. "Collectively" is generally taken to mean by the government, which in a democratic socialist country, would mean one elected by the people, and therefore the production and distribution of all income-producing goods and services would be owned by the government for the benefit of the people. The only way in which Norway comes even close to this description is with respect to Equinor (formerly Statoil), its oil production/distribution corporation, 70% of whose stock is owned by the Norwegian government and a government pension fund. The remaining 30% of its stock is publicly traded. Equinor owns the North Sea oil production facilities as well as the gas stations (production and distribution).
The Government Pension Fund Norway is smaller and was established in 1967 as a type of national insurance fund. It is managed separately from the Oil Fund and is limited to domestic and Scandinavian investments and is therefore a key stock holder in many large Norwegian companies, predominantly via the Oslo Stock Exchange.
Income from pension fund investments as well as regular taxes support the country's social safety net. Norwegians are taxed on their assets, so the tax figure in the OP isn't really comparable to US income taxes, and it's not clear whether that number also includes the high value-added taxes or the special taxes on things like cars. I have a shirttail relative in Bergen who rolls her own cigarettes, which is a fairly common practice there because the tax on pre-made cigarettes is so high. But, as DFW pointed out, social services like "free" college and "free" health care are not free; they merely come from a different source. And apart from Equinor, corporations are not government-owned, but are owned and operated by private individuals. There is even a stock exchange in which stock is publicly traded, just like in the US. It has an enviable social welfare system, made possible at least in part by investment in the income derived from its most important natural resource. But it is not a socialist country. If we're going to deal with right-wing accusations about socialism we are going to have to understand what it means.