How is he going to get out?

[applegrove]

‘El Chapo’ made an unusual prison request. Authorities fear it’s another ploy to escape.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/05/25/el-chapo-prosecutors-worry-joaquin-guzman-is-plotting-another-escape/?utm_term=.caf8dcc8ae25

 Deanna Paul at the Washington Post

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For two and half years, Mexican drug kingpin Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán has lived in solitary confinement, with nearly no ability to communicate with the outside world.

Now, with Guzman allegedly showing symptoms of “mental fatigue” and “sleep deprivation,” and “daily headaches and ear pain,” his defense team had several requestsfor U.S. District Judge Brian Cogan earlier this month: two hours of outdoor exercise every week, traditional commissary access, permission to buy six bottles of water a week and earplugs.

"This deprivation of sunlight and fresh air, over an excessive 27-month period, is causing psychological scarring,” the letter said. It called the conditions “cruel and unusual punishment” in violation of the Eighth Amendment.

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[applegrove]

1. The earplugs!! He's going to escape by Osprey. That plane can land

like a helicopter and then turn into a propellor airplane once it is high off the ground. They used to test fly them in Halifax when I lived there. They were the loudest thing. But it will be able to get away fast and land somewhere other than an airport.

Your guess?

[lunatica]

2. He is a loathsome criminal

but his punishment is also loathsome. Is there a single case of a criminal being rehabilitated by that kind of treatment?

Lock them up, sure, but why is it OK for the state do do something it would lock regular people up for?

I don't get that kind of mental disconnect.

[applegrove]

3. Before the justice system and the police, human beings would spend all

their free and work time doing things that followed the cultural norms. Or they would get murdered or sacrificed. And even if not they had to put up with brutality. Giving government a monopoly on violence makes most of us free to be ourselves most of the time without the threat of being stoned to death for some transgression. That is when it is good government. Don't waste your time on el Chapo. He's ruined thousands and thousands of lives. I'm sure they'll put some wire fencing overhead and let him outside at some point.

[lunatica]

4. But does punishment have to be violent or brutal?

[applegrove]

5. El Chapo has escaped twice. Not giving him access to sunlight is the

norm.

[stopdiggin]

6. only necessary measures

Extraordinary security measures are probably warranted here. But go ahead and let the penal institution provide justification and explanation for their actions. Incarceration doesn't mean the right to brutalize (despite public opinion) .. but severe limitations on this man's "contacts" (both in and out of the institution) are only common sense.

[applegrove]

8. Exactly. I'm against the death penalty and torture. Solitary confinement only

in rare cases. The helicopter pilot who helped the two Quebec inmates escape was coerced by those allies of the incarcerated still on the outside. No doubt el Chapo is running through scenarios on who to coerce. Who to threaten. It is not a regular maximum security prisoner at all. He has immense power on the outside.

[2naSalit]

7. So I don't get why he isn't in a supermax...

did I miss something along the way?

I feel this guy should be in a supermax making the risk of escape fairly low.