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spinbaby

(15,088 posts)
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 05:21 PM Sep 2019

Allow me to be old and cranky for a moment

When I was growing up, back in the Jurassic, it was understood that certain occasions called for dressing nicely. Not dressing up so much as dressing neatly and appropriately. I was at a funeral today with people dressed in ripped jeans, logo t-shirts, shorts, flip flops, etc., like they saw no difference between going to Walmart and respecting the departed.

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Allow me to be old and cranky for a moment (Original Post) spinbaby Sep 2019 OP
Old and cranky? Tasteful and classy is more like it. Anon-C Sep 2019 #1
It is odd but as I get older MuseRider Sep 2019 #2
Good grief - what school did you attend? 3catwoman3 Sep 2019 #27
City University MuseRider Sep 2019 #30
+1000 Sherman A1 Sep 2019 #3
At thevery least True Blue American Sep 2019 #6
I understand your point of view Sherman A1 Sep 2019 #11
Funny you should say that True Blue American Sep 2019 #18
I am just old school I suppose Sherman A1 Sep 2019 #19
I just thought it True Blue American Sep 2019 #21
I'm with you on this. sinkingfeeling Sep 2019 #4
Dressing up - or at least making a minimal effort to put on clothes The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #5
My cousin showed up at our aunt's burial service, dressed in cargo shorts and a ratty t-shirt Siwsan Sep 2019 #7
Trump fan?:) True Blue American Sep 2019 #22
Unfortunately, yes. Siwsan Sep 2019 #25
This brought to mind my niece's wedding a few years ago. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #8
it's not being old and cranky Skittles Sep 2019 #9
It's funny (not haha), I instantly thought of Control-Z Sep 2019 #10
Was anyone barefoot ? eppur_se_muova Sep 2019 #12
Now that sounds like an interesting funeral, worthy of my ex-brother. NNadir Sep 2019 #23
It feels a little disrespectful, unless the deceased was a big fan of casual JDC Sep 2019 #13
I remember my wife telling me about some sci-fi story and everyone was in space age garb captain queeg Sep 2019 #14
Youngin's are always different and always annoy their elders - you were probably no different jpak Sep 2019 #15
Not only the youngsters spinbaby Sep 2019 #20
I'm of two minds on the subject. Aristus Sep 2019 #16
It might depend on how well they knew the deceased... Wounded Bear Sep 2019 #17
And how hot it is during the funeral. GemDigger Sep 2019 #26
I don't know about a suit and tie, or a dress and heels, but if you're going to pay your respects, Fla Dem Sep 2019 #24
I think a lot of younger people Crafty Girl Sep 2019 #28
I pretty much said a suit, tie or dress while nice, not necessary. Fla Dem Sep 2019 #33
Yes, I know you said that. Crafty Girl Sep 2019 #34
The country's gone to shit SocialMediaInfluenza Sep 2019 #29
Maybe, if people could earn a living wage, weren't constantly littlemissmartypants Sep 2019 #31
Old-fashioned here, too. I think it's what we're comfortable with. KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2019 #32

Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
1. Old and cranky? Tasteful and classy is more like it.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 05:27 PM
Sep 2019

But that ship has sailed. You see it all these days. Literally.

MuseRider

(34,105 posts)
2. It is odd but as I get older
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 05:28 PM
Sep 2019

I find I am accepting of the ease of this happening. I remember getting dressed like for church to go to the movie theater including the white gloves and hats for the women. We also applauded the end of everything from the documentary to the cartoon to the movie.

I was never so happy as I was when the traditional white gloves began to fade out. When I went to college in 1971 it was the first year women were allowed on campus without white gloves.

3catwoman3

(23,973 posts)
27. Good grief - what school did you attend?
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 12:30 PM
Sep 2019

I started college in 1969, and nary a white glove in sight.

We were not allowed to wear pants in high school. Dresses or skirts only. And they couldn't be too short.

MuseRider

(34,105 posts)
30. City University
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 01:39 PM
Sep 2019

in Kansas. I went to a campus style high school. No jeans, we had to come in dresses or skirts with nice shoes with small heels. When it dropped to below 0 we were allowed to wear pants to walk between the buildings but had to take them off for class. It sucked.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
3. +1000
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 05:35 PM
Sep 2019

I believe that a funeral requires a jacket and tie for the men and a dress or suit for the ladies attending.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
6. At thevery least
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 05:47 PM
Sep 2019

Last edited Sun Sep 8, 2019, 03:29 AM - Edit history (1)

Nice shirt and dress pants for men at the least nice slacks and blouse for women.

I have seen them in skimpy tops, too short skirts but like the other poster said, that is gone

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
11. I understand your point of view
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:27 PM
Sep 2019

But, I’m sticking with my original answer coat and tie, dress or suit.

I’m just as casual as the next guy in shorts and a t-shirt, but a wedding or a funeral is a coat and tie.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
18. Funny you should say that
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 03:37 AM
Sep 2019

Last edited Sun Sep 8, 2019, 12:32 PM - Edit history (1)

A good friend of mine is always in a suit, white shirt and tie. I remarked how nice he always looked. His answer? ” I feel you should always present your best to the Lord!

So I guess that puts you in the category as my friend. My husband loved dressing up. Time and place.

And the way some people dress annoys me. I think it is disrespectful.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
19. I am just old school I suppose
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 05:09 AM
Sep 2019

and it was what I was trained to do as a kid. As to the Lord, well I'm not much of a believer in that respect, however I do believe in respecting the event I am attending.


True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
21. I just thought it
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 10:24 AM
Sep 2019

Was a nice answer.

Going to Church has been a hard one for me. I left a Southern Baptist. Was lucky enough to find one close to me that simply teaches love and inclusion of all.

That fits my Democratic nature.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
5. Dressing up - or at least making a minimal effort to put on clothes
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 05:46 PM
Sep 2019

that don't look like they were collected from a dumpster - is an indication of respect for an occasion or a person being honored. You make that little extra effort because you give a damn. I'm glad we no longer have to wear white gloves and hats for dress-up occasions, but t-shirts and flip-flops at a funeral? Were those people raised by wolves?

Siwsan

(26,259 posts)
7. My cousin showed up at our aunt's burial service, dressed in cargo shorts and a ratty t-shirt
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 06:00 PM
Sep 2019

He's considerably older than me (in his 70's!!!!) and should have known better. To me, it was far and away beyond disrespectful.

Siwsan

(26,259 posts)
25. Unfortunately, yes.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 12:02 PM
Sep 2019

He's a high school grad who's draft lottery number never quite scored. He went to work for GM, in the facilities maintenance department, got married, had 2 kids, got divorced, retired, and now spends his days either at the library, using the computer (he refuses to buy one), watching Fox "News" or making his poor brother's life a complete misery. (The brother, who lives with him, is an honorably discharged Vietnam era Air Force vet who suffers from some military related health issues, and is a liberal. He was never in combat but served in some sort of security post that he still can't discuss.)

Oh, and the trump* worshiping cousin thinks one of the biggest mistakes this country ever made was giving women the vote. Needless to say, that view doesn't sit well with this female Navy veteran.

I now only see this cousin if he decides to join us, at the holidays. He will only show up if we all agree to NOT discuss politics because he knows he's the only trump*ster who will be in attendance.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
8. This brought to mind my niece's wedding a few years ago.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 06:12 PM
Sep 2019

It wasn't a super formal affair, but everyone was dressed up as one would be for a wedding - except for the husband of the bridesmaid (the bride's sister), whom we really do suspect was raised by wolves. He accompanied his dressed-to-the-nines wife wearing a wrinkled white shirt, no tie, unbuttoned at the neck and not even tucked into his pants, which were also wrinkled, and work boots. Why she let him out of the house looking like that is beyond me, but I guess she must be used to him dressing like that and didn't want an argument. "He doesn't like to dress up," was the eye-rolled explanation I got from the bride's mother.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
10. It's funny (not haha), I instantly thought of
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 06:29 PM
Sep 2019

a funeral (before I read the part about it being one in your OP) where my son was a pallbearer. The funeral was for his best friend and I expected him and all the other boys to be dressed nicely. My son was the only one (though, still not as well as I had wanted). I bought a navy pants-suit for myself and black slacks and a white long sleeve button down shirt for my son.

The boy's mother was devastated, of course. But she didn't have a problem with the boys' attire, as far as I could tell, as her older son was one of the dressed down pallbearers.

Obviously I kept these thoughts to myself.

eppur_se_muova

(36,259 posts)
12. Was anyone barefoot ?
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:29 PM
Sep 2019

I attended a funeral where the 18-yo (or so) pregnant girlfriend of one of the 50-yo guys in bib overalls and feed cap evidently considered shoes optional.

JDC

(10,125 posts)
13. It feels a little disrespectful, unless the deceased was a big fan of casual
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:33 PM
Sep 2019

And dressing down is in conformance with prescribed or assumed wishes.

When I go, I plan to not care I suppose, but in the meantime, I'm more of a traditionalist, like you.

captain queeg

(10,170 posts)
14. I remember my wife telling me about some sci-fi story and everyone was in space age garb
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 08:30 PM
Sep 2019

Think about it, in any sort of futurist story did anyone picture everyone in shorts, t-shirts, floppies, etc? Certainly have missed the mark on clothing.

jpak

(41,757 posts)
15. Youngin's are always different and always annoy their elders - you were probably no different
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 08:32 PM
Sep 2019

Just go with the flow and be happy the youngin's are there.

Funerals without restless/wild/inappropriate young'ins are no fun at all.

and this



spinbaby

(15,088 posts)
20. Not only the youngsters
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 06:42 AM
Sep 2019

Even some my age and older were dressed inappropriately. Maybe this is a cultural thing, I don’t know.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
16. I'm of two minds on the subject.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:39 PM
Sep 2019

On the one hand, as a clothes-horse myself, I have a yen for the Rat-Pack days, when seemingly everyone dressed to the nines all the time.

Then I remember: everyone back then smoked like it was going out of style.

They probably smelled terrible, no matter how terrific they looked.

The truth is, I'll take someone who's well-groomed instead, no matter how casually they're dressed.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
17. It might depend on how well they knew the deceased...
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:30 PM
Sep 2019

and whether maybe he put in a "last request" to "don't dress up for my funeral, dress like you did when you knew me."

I could see that, I guess.

For myself, I'd dress like you do.

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
26. And how hot it is during the funeral.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 12:23 PM
Sep 2019

At 98 degrees with 80% humidity in the scorching sun with no shade and a lot of elders and people with health conditions, I say dress so you won't pass out or get heat stroke. The person we lost will appreciate you being there in this heat.

Fla Dem

(23,650 posts)
24. I don't know about a suit and tie, or a dress and heels, but if you're going to pay your respects,
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 10:46 AM
Sep 2019

then your attire should reflect that respect. If you don't have the energy or motivation to put on clean decent clothes, then don't bother.

Crafty Girl

(28 posts)
28. I think a lot of younger people
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 12:41 PM
Sep 2019

don't even own dress up clothes now. An investment in a suit that they will wear once or twice to a funeral is a bit too much to ask of people with student loans and a minimum wage job.

Fla Dem

(23,650 posts)
33. I pretty much said a suit, tie or dress while nice, not necessary.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 07:08 PM
Sep 2019

But surely a clean pair of slacks and a sports shirt should be in their wardrobe. I’m really not sure what you would consider appropriate. Hopefully not hip hanging shorts, a t-shirt and sandals.

Crafty Girl

(28 posts)
34. Yes, I know you said that.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 08:20 PM
Sep 2019

I was just thinking of my DH's nephew who didn't own a collared shirt to wear to his own father's funeral.

littlemissmartypants

(22,631 posts)
31. Maybe, if people could earn a living wage, weren't constantly
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 01:54 PM
Sep 2019

Stressed out about making ends meet and buying groceries, paying rent and having gas money, they could make the effort. But even then you might be looking at ball gowns with Doc Martins. So...
look for good hearts and sweet souls and not designer labels and suffer less disappointment.




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KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
32. Old-fashioned here, too. I think it's what we're comfortable with.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 02:08 PM
Sep 2019

I still shave and dress neatly just to go to the store.

Suit coat and tie for funerals and weddings out of respect but may forgo the tie.

And, I still polish those shoes and hold the door for the ladies.

Those things still make me feel good about myself and that's good because damn few other things do these days.

KY...........

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