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First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 12:33 PM Mar 2021

You can have dinner with six people from history, living or dead...

...who do you choose? Here are my choices:

1. Duke Ellington. He would make the conversation sparkle, and maybe give us a little music towards the end of the evening.

2. Lord Byron. No particular reason why--for Chrissakes, he's *Lord Byron*.

3. Dorothy Parker. A few wisecracks to lighten the mood. Love to see her in this company.

4. Dr Samuel Johnson. He could contribute to any dinner.

5. Oscar Wilde. As Harold Bloom put it, Wilde gets everything right.

6. H. L. Mencken. It wouldn't get boring with him there, in this company.

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You can have dinner with six people from history, living or dead... (Original Post) First Speaker Mar 2021 OP
Kick....... Upthevibe Mar 2021 #1
Martin Luther King Chipper Chat Mar 2021 #2
Okay, I'll play PJMcK Mar 2021 #3
I'll save you the trouble of deciphering Shakespeare's Warwickshire patois. Aristus Mar 2021 #30
My list: -misanthroptimist Mar 2021 #4
Surprised lists thus far leave out one... hlthe2b Mar 2021 #5
I rode an Amtrak train from Denver to Chicago in 1991. Harker Mar 2021 #12
Great story! (n/t) PJMcK Mar 2021 #13
It's great when people live the life they want to live! n/t Harker Mar 2021 #16
Here goes: Fla Dem Mar 2021 #6
Lady's night! PJMcK Mar 2021 #15
Yes, please join us! Chocolate Lava Cake! Fla Dem Mar 2021 #35
Here are mine. brush Mar 2021 #7
My choices redstatebluegirl Mar 2021 #8
I had dinner with one of my idols. Cartoonist Mar 2021 #9
Good choices! PJMcK Mar 2021 #17
He could drop off Lauren as far as I'm concerned. n/t Harker Mar 2021 #23
Ok, here goes. Polly Hennessey Mar 2021 #10
I think I know Cleopatra's secret PJMcK Mar 2021 #36
First of a series... Harker Mar 2021 #11
Stephen Jay Gould! PJMcK Mar 2021 #37
Any good dinner party needs a little Harker Mar 2021 #38
Jesus and five current evangelical influencers/ leaders sanatanadharma Mar 2021 #14
I thought about including Jesus in my list PJMcK Mar 2021 #21
Perkins was great in "Fear Strikes Out" and "Psycho". n/t Harker Mar 2021 #25
Screech, screech, screech!!! PJMcK Mar 2021 #32
I'm trying... Harker Mar 2021 #33
Girl's night of the living! demmiblue Mar 2021 #18
Hemingway lpbk2713 Mar 2021 #19
I've had religion on my brain lately, even though I'm not religious. Coventina Mar 2021 #20
I could send Groucho over for coffee... n/t Harker Mar 2021 #26
When Mencken has had dessert, send him over to my place Harker Mar 2021 #22
Mine: Aristus Mar 2021 #24
Put on extra coffee for Voltaire! n/t Harker Mar 2021 #27
Definitely. Aristus Mar 2021 #28
If the house is a-rockin', don't bother knockin'. n/t Harker Mar 2021 #29
HA! Aristus Mar 2021 #31
These: Tikki Mar 2021 #34
First Speaker...Here are mine (I cheated just a little).... Upthevibe Mar 2021 #39
Just a little. Harker Mar 2021 #40

PJMcK

(21,988 posts)
3. Okay, I'll play
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 01:08 PM
Mar 2021

1. George Gershwin. His life was cut short just as he was beginning to really mature as a composer. You know he wouldn't resist playing a medley of his songs!

2. William Shakespeare. Much of his life and work is shrouded in uncertainty. I'd love to know if he really wrote all of the works attributed to him. Since he was such a showman and entrepreneur, I'm sure he'd have much to share.

3. Jennifer Rubin. As a political commentator, she's makes insightful observations with a sharp wit. Although she's traditionally been a conservative, her voice has been a beacon of clarity during the last 5 years.

4. Dr. Carl Sagan. Incredibly brilliant and articulate. He'd have so many observations that I think I could spend many evenings with him while learning more than my small brain could handle!

5. Harry Truman. A very modest and interesting man who found himself athwart history. The biographies I've read make him sound like a great conversationalist and I'm sure he'd take a turn at the piano, (but he'd play badly!).

6. Tom Wolfe. A bit stuffy, perhaps, but he had amazing observations about people and events. Plus, he'd raise the level of attire.

Aristus

(66,275 posts)
30. I'll save you the trouble of deciphering Shakespeare's Warwickshire patois.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:59 PM
Mar 2021

Yes, Shakespeare wrote the works attributed to him. There is no shadowy conspiracy, no 'real' author who's genius has been cruelly denied by history.

"Did Shakespeare Write Shakespeare?" is a tired, threadbare, shopworn old parlor game that never made any sense in the first place.

Still, have him over for dinner. Excellent choice. He was a gifted man.

-misanthroptimist

(800 posts)
4. My list:
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 01:08 PM
Mar 2021

1. Mark Twain

2. Albert Einstein

3. Eratosthenes

4. The first person to discover how to make bread.

5. Isaac Newton

6. Barack Obama

hlthe2b

(102,105 posts)
5. Surprised lists thus far leave out one...
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 01:40 PM
Mar 2021

Whether religious, agnostic (pretty much me) or atheist (assuming you can accept the stories are based on an individual human in history), I'd think a lot of people would like to sit down and converse with:

Jesus (not because of religious issues specifically, but to discuss the way in which he is perceived, worshipped, exploited today. Who wouldn't like to know, no matter ones' current beliefs?... )

Mark Twain, of course. I smile at the very thought

Amelia Earhart (I'm a sucker for unsolved mysteries and famous women "FIRSTS" )

Eleanor Roosevelt (I'd never want the conversation to end)

Aristotle along with his mentor, Plato (why not? Philosopher/Scientist/Proponent of ''Logic in Argument. I'd do my best--against the odds-- to "keep up" )

John Locke (English philosopher/physicist credited during Age of Enlightenment with social contract theory and as "the Father of Liberalism" His philosophy figured prominently in our Declaration of Independence)

Harker

(13,957 posts)
12. I rode an Amtrak train from Denver to Chicago in 1991.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:16 PM
Mar 2021

The steward was a dead ringer for Samuel Clemens, curly white hair and bushy moustache, vest and pocket watch.

I said, "I'm sure you hear this all the time..." and he jumped in, "yep, they call me Mark Train.". I still smile when I think of it.

Fla Dem

(23,573 posts)
6. Here goes:
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 01:40 PM
Mar 2021

1. Sojourner Truth

2. Amelia Mary Earhart

3. Florence Nightingale

4. Hillary Clinton

5. Elizabeth Warren

6. Orpah Winfrey


Now if they didn't have to be historical, my Mom and her mother, My Grandmother.

PJMcK

(21,988 posts)
15. Lady's night!
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:25 PM
Mar 2021

May I please come by for dessert?

I had the same thought about my ancestors. I'd love to talk with my great-grandparents who emigrated to the U.S. before WWI; they died when I was about 3 or 4 but I have a few fond memories. I'd love to have dinner with my late mother especially if she were the cook!

Alas, all we have of some people are memories.

Fla Dem

(23,573 posts)
35. Yes, please join us! Chocolate Lava Cake!
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 04:46 PM
Mar 2021

Last edited Wed Mar 24, 2021, 06:24 PM - Edit history (1)

There are so many things I would love to talk to my Mom and Grandmother about their lives. Unfortunately I didn't have the awareness or perhaps I was too involved in my own life while they were still with us.

Dessert!

brush

(53,726 posts)
7. Here are mine.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 01:49 PM
Mar 2021

Last edited Wed Mar 24, 2021, 06:37 PM - Edit history (4)

Muhammed Ali. No need to explain why.

MLK and LBJ: Would want to hear about their negotiations, specifically how Martin got LBJ to do what was best for the country and African Americans, considering he was from a southern state. To me it wasn't that far a stretch as LBJ had been a teacher in the Texas hlll country where he taught Mexican American kids before he ran for Congress and got the area electricity.

FDR. Would want to hear how he arrived, as a wealthy man from a wealthy family, at being such a champion for regular Joes and Janes. And frankly, I'd like to hear how he wrestled with his conscience in having to exclude Black Americans from his New Deal programs in order to get the dixiecrats to vote for them.

Sarah Vaughan/Ella Fitzgerald/Billie Holiday. Just for being "the devine one"/Ella having a bell for a voice/for being Lady Day, and maybe they might grace us with song.

Bobby Seale and Huey Newton. Where did they get the guts to descend upon the California legislature, armed, while declaring they would no longer kowtow to the brutality of the white, racist cops in Oakland. Also would want to hear how Newton self-destructed and went against everything we thought he stood for.

Nelson Mandela. No need to explain why he's on this list either.

Malcolm, Oprah, Obama, Megan Rapinoe, Michael Eric Dyson...ok, ok. I know I have to stop.

Cartoonist

(7,309 posts)
9. I had dinner with one of my idols.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 01:58 PM
Mar 2021

He was a writer. I discovered something about him that really put me off.

John Lennon - I'm sure I would bore him
Abe Lincoln - We're both from Illinois
Galileo - Let's talk religion
Raymond Chandler - One of many writers that could be on this list
Humphrey Bogart - He can bring Lauren
Neil deGrasse Tyson - The smartest man alive today

PJMcK

(21,988 posts)
17. Good choices!
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:34 PM
Mar 2021

I chose Dr. Carl Sagan in place of Dr. Tyson. I might challenge you on the "smartest man alive" as I can think of a small handful of men and women who are at least as brilliant as Dr. Tyson. Regardless, you know he'd be an awesome conversationalist!

When I was young, we lived in Illinois and they were happy and formative years for me. So you'll forgive me if I point out that although the great State of Illinois claims to be The Land of Lincoln, Honest Abe was actually born in Kentucky.

Galileo! Great choice. I'd like to hear a lot more from him than just religion but I get you point.

I met Lauren Bacall briefly over about 6 months when she was performing in my clients' musical on Broadway. Quite a lady with a dastardly sense of humor. One time that I talked with her was at a wake for John Lennon that Leonard Bernstein held at his apartment in the Dakota where Lennon lived. Heady times for a young musician.

Polly Hennessey

(6,783 posts)
10. Ok, here goes.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:04 PM
Mar 2021

Emily and Charlotte Bronte (how did you two have the insight to create men such as Heathcliff and Rochester).

Cleopatra (what was your secret for enticing two men such as Julius Caesar and Marc Antony).

Elizabeth I ( how did you manage to control an Empire).

Alexander the Great (were you as gorgeous as they say you were)?

Benjamin Franklin (I have a feeling you would be a great dinner companion).

Brad Pitt (because...oh, heck, just because).

PJMcK

(21,988 posts)
36. I think I know Cleopatra's secret
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 04:51 PM
Mar 2021

No, it's not what you think!

Power attracts power. Cleopatra would know this. They were all trying to build their empires.

Or maybe she was just the most beautiful woman in the world and knew how to charm the gentlemen from Rome!

Harker

(13,957 posts)
11. First of a series...
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:11 PM
Mar 2021

Last edited Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:56 PM - Edit history (1)

1. Stan Brakhage.
2. Franz Joseph Haydn.
3. Queen Victoria.
4. Stevie Ray Vaughan.
5. Stephen Jay Gould.
6. Groucho Marx.

Harker

(13,957 posts)
38. Any good dinner party needs a little
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 05:31 PM
Mar 2021

punctuated equilibrium! I had a hard time leaving off my friend Bob Bakker, who would also enjoy talking with SJG.

sanatanadharma

(3,687 posts)
14. Jesus and five current evangelical influencers/ leaders
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:24 PM
Mar 2021

Can't fix the past but perhaps can rationalize and correct the present.

PJMcK

(21,988 posts)
21. I thought about including Jesus in my list
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:39 PM
Mar 2021

But as an atheist, I decided to follow the OP regarding actual historical figures.

Regardless of one's faith, however, here are my suggestions for the five other guests.

- Pope Francis
- Tony Perkins
- Joel Osteen
- Mike Huckabee
- Franklin Graham

It would be enlightening to hear Jesus' reactions to these men's beliefs and preachings.

demmiblue

(36,816 posts)
18. Girl's night of the living!
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:34 PM
Mar 2021

Megan Rapinoe

Rachel Maddow

Aisha Tyler

Kristen Johnston

Mindy Kaling

Betty White

Honorary guest: Dr. Fauci (he is allowed at our girl's night... we all want the tea)

lpbk2713

(42,736 posts)
19. Hemingway
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:36 PM
Mar 2021


Willie Nelson

D D Eisenhower

T A Edison

John Ford (Director)

Kate Hepburn

I'm sure they could all keep me spellbound.

Coventina

(27,052 posts)
20. I've had religion on my brain lately, even though I'm not religious.
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:37 PM
Mar 2021

1. Jesus
2. The Buddha
3. Confucius
4. Muhammad
5. Starhawk (only one still living - well, here on earth, anyway)
6. Akbar the Great

Harker

(13,957 posts)
22. When Mencken has had dessert, send him over to my place
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:45 PM
Mar 2021

for beer and a couple cigars, would you please?

Aristus

(66,275 posts)
24. Mine:
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:50 PM
Mar 2021

1. Julius Caesar.
2. Ben Franklin.
3. Voltaire.
4. Oscar Wilde.
5. Eleanor of Acquitaine.
6. Dorothy Parker.

Tikki

(14,549 posts)
34. These:
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 04:29 PM
Mar 2021

Charles Darwin

Charles Dickens

Dolly Parton USA current singer, actress, author, business owner, philanthropist

Cyril Rioli Tiwi Island/Australian current activist, retired AFL

Anton Garber Germany current artist, activist, musician (synth), model

Rhys Darby New Zealand current comedian, actor, author, director

Tikki

Upthevibe

(8,005 posts)
39. First Speaker...Here are mine (I cheated just a little)....
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 05:57 PM
Mar 2021

Barack & Michelle Obama
Franklin & Eleanor Roosevelt
Mahatma Gandhi
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Jesus
John Lennon

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