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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. Two questions...
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 09:34 PM
Aug 2021

I know why most male dancers don't go en pointe, but Baryshnikov has talked about how it would be nice if they did. Some of those moves you really expect him to go up on his toes. It would be a nice duet, too.

And, has anyone bothered to see how dancers do in gymnastic routines? Imagine Baryshnikov on the balance beam.

wackadoo wabbit

(1,164 posts)
4. Why don't male dancers go en pointe?
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 10:00 PM
Aug 2021

I've always wondered that and just assumed that it was tradition.

I remember seeing Swan Lake performed by all male dancers who did go en pointe, and it was great! This was on PBS in, maybe, the 1990s. I've always wished I could see it again. It was definitely a one off, though.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
5. Mainly because most of them are too heavy. Besides, pointe means many years of...
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 10:10 PM
Aug 2021

work and possible foot and ankle injuries, made worse by male weight and structure. Can you imagine some of those leaps landing on your big toe? It has been done, though, although rarely. There's a French group that has all men in tutus and pointe shoes. La Dans RuPaul?

wackadoo wabbit

(1,164 posts)
8. No, this wasn't done as a joke
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 10:56 PM
Aug 2021

It was absolutely serious, and those guys were good!

I've been searching since I posted, and I still can't find it. I found references to Matthew Bourne's all-male version, but it isn't the one I saw. The one I saw on PBS had the dancers in female garb (i.e., tutus) and en pointe.

Well, now I've got another white whale to search for in my spare time.




CTyankee

(63,893 posts)
9. I'm sorry. I should have explained. I had just watched a rerun on 60 Minutes about a robot that
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:37 AM
Aug 2021

could dance the Mashed Potato. It was charming and cute. But I began to think about creating a robot to dance. So I thought about the great ballet dancers (male or female) who could leap so beautifully. I wondered if the scientists could ever create one.

My big point here is that for now we don't have a robot that could do that. Nor can they paint the way Van Gogh or Cezanne could.

Potatoe was my boo boo.

Harker

(13,985 posts)
12. I think they'll get there pretty soon.
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 07:46 AM
Aug 2021

As humans strive to make machines in their image, the creativity, agility, and litheness will prove vastly more difficult to approximate than human strength and endurance were to surpass.

Coincidentally, just a few days ago I thought of how fun it would be to learn some of the popular dances of my youth... not easy with three left feet.

CTyankee

(63,893 posts)
14. I just can't agree with you on this. I think art is uniquely human. You can't train a robot to have
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 10:54 AM
Aug 2021

human capability to move your body with feelings and training.

Go look at Botticelli's Primavera. The 3 graces are dancing, two of them with raised arms clasping each other. There are moments in such paintings that can stop your heart with a gesture. A robot could probably imitate it, but it would take a robotic Botticelli to conceive of doing it.

Harker

(13,985 posts)
15. I hope you're right.
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 11:23 AM
Aug 2021

I get a little wistful about us sometimes.

I there's ever a Robocelli, there'll be a robot critic right behind.

Scrivener7

(50,919 posts)
3. That wasn't what I expected it would be, but I couldn't look away! I know nothing about
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 09:51 PM
Aug 2021

ballet, but that was amazing.

malaise

(268,718 posts)
13. Just listening to her amazing analysis makes me realize
Mon Aug 9, 2021, 08:13 AM
Aug 2021

that I am ignorant about so many things. I would never have picked up on those details.

He really was magnificent.

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