The Walking Dead 3.13 - Arrow on the Doorpost (spoiler alert)

[NewJeffCT]

After last week's excellent episode with Morgan, we're back to Woodbury and the prison.

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In "Arrow on the Doorpost," Rick and The Governor convene to create a peace treaty in hopes of preventing further deaths.

hmm, should we trust The Governor?

[NewJeffCT]

1. kick up to the top

a bit over an hour now

[Baitball Blogger]

2. I am psyched. Cannot wait.

When did Sunday's become such a hot day for prime time?

I remember back when Tuesdays and Thursdays were the big days of the week to sit in and watch sitcoms. Probably why I can't sit through one any more. Including 30 Rock.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

3. This was a quiet week as far as finding spoilers goes.

Lots of re-occurring speculation though for the final few episodes regarding, sex, suicide, and 2 major characters getting killed off.

[texanwitch]

4. Just noticed from last weeks show.

On the ax by the door, wrote Told You.

If I was by myself I would secure the door to.

[Baitball Blogger]

5. Herschel looks way too excited.

[texanwitch]

6. The two finally meet.

The weather seems cooler, no sweating.

[NewJeffCT]

7. good start so far

pretty tense situation

[texanwitch]

8. I wish Rick would just shoot the Gov already instead of talking.

Yeah, the Gov wants them to surrender.

[Brigid]

9. Dear Rick:

Never trust a smiling politician, especially when he is offering whiskey. that is all.

[NewJeffCT]

11. Nope

I'm hoping Rick pulls what he did with Shane.

[texanwitch]

12. To much small talk.

The Gov is trying to seem like a nice guy.

He isn't.

Rick, just shoot him.

[charlie and algernon]

10. Anything you can do, I can do better!

[charlie and algernon]

13. how does the Governor know about Rick's new stash?

Is Merle a spy?

[Brigid]

15. Good chance Merle's a spy.

The Governor found out about that stash somehow.

[Bake]

96. I'm guessing the Gov has somebody watching the prison all the time.

Bake

[NewJeffCT]

26. How could he have gotten out & back again

to Woodbury and then back to the prison? Unless he's carrying a walkie-talkie or similar

[Baitball Blogger]

28. Maybe they have someone watching the prison?

[Joe Shlabotnik]

49. I think it was either a ruse, or observed through surveillance

Merle may be rotten, but he's mostly just an opportunist. He has no reason to side with the Governor.

[Baitball Blogger]

14. Oh, No! Not Michonne! Anybody else but Michonne!

[NewJeffCT]

17. well. who else?

would he want?

[Brigid]

18. Rick won't do it.

He's smarter than that.

[Baitball Blogger]

19. Now I understand what last episode was all about.

We get to find out if Rick has changed.

[walkerbait41]

65. Not Michonne

I don`t think Rick will give up Michonne.

[texanwitch]

16. Andrea seems to be seeing the light, maybe.

Wow, I don't think Rick will go along with this.

Not after last week.

Rick now knows how to get to the Gov.

[Brigid]

20. Michonne, no!

Don't trust Merle!

[texanwitch]

21. I wouldn't trust Merle for 5 seconds.

I wish Glen and Maggie would have put Merle down to begin with.

I would lock the guns away from Merle.

[Baitball Blogger]

22. No fricken way! The last time those two hooked up in the guard house, the bells rang

and the prison was overrun with zombies.

[texanwitch]

23. What are they doing.

Something bad is going to happen now.

[Brigid]

24. No military discipline, those two.

No fooling around on guard duty!

[NewJeffCT]

32. Who else was expecting something terrible to happen?

when they started making out?

[texanwitch]

44. I did.

With the Govs. men most likely watching the prison and zombies walking around.

They are young and in love.

Still not a great time to make out.

[Flaxbee]

25. Now that it's almost over... can anyone give an episode rundown?

If so, thanks much!

[Baitball Blogger]

27. The best is yet to come.

While Rick and the Governor talk terms, everybody else is either making friends, or angling for position.

The governor wants Michonne in revenge for taking his eye out. If Rick surrenders her, the governor promises not to go to war with them.

[texanwitch]

39. That was a smart move on our guys part.

The Gov. right hand man was there sharing a smoke with Darly.

[texanwitch]

29. Nothing much happened tonight.

A real sleepy episode.

The most exciting part was Glen and Maggie having wild sex on guard duty.

The Gov and Rick had a talk in old warehouse.

Andrea isn't sure she wants to stay or not.

The show is still on yet.

Rick seems to be Ok now.

The Govenor was just talking, he just plans on killing Rick and crew.

Rick knows what the Gov is up to, he just we are going to war.

[Brigid]

34. Work again, flaxbee?

[Flaxbee]

40. yup... just heading home, but I don't think I'll stay up to

catch the rerun tonight.

Appreciate the summary!

[texanwitch]

41. Enjoy the show.

[NewJeffCT]

42. The governor did admit

that Rick's crew is more experienced, but the Guv said he had a lot more people.

[Baitball Blogger]

50. Looks like Angela is going to do a divide and conqueor.

[texanwitch]

37. The Gov knows that Rick and crew will put one hell of a fight.

The Gov's army isn't that great.

He has more in number but Rick's crew is combat ready.

The Gov knows he can't win in a firefight.

So he has to divide the group.

Andrea will be major help.

[Brigid]

30. Rick is actually considering . . .

The Governor's so-called offer!

[texanwitch]

31. Rick couldn't be that stupid.

The Gov will kill all of them, except maybe the baby.

[NewJeffCT]

35. I know

If he turned over Michonne, he'd lose one of his toughest warriors and would be that much more vulnerable

[texanwitch]

33. The people on the Talking Dead are great.

I like them.

[NewJeffCT]

36. Never seen the guy before

but, he's had some great insights so far.

[texanwitch]

38. This is a good group.

They are major fans of the show.

[NewJeffCT]

43. Spoiler for the next weeks

The preview/trailer for "coming up" on The Walking Dead seemed to show (swipe below for spoilers)

[font color=white]The Governor in flames - or was I mistaken?[/font]

[texanwitch]

45. That was one creepy spoiler.

Who or whom is suppose to be in the chair.

Yeah Andrea.

[NewJeffCT]

46. I need to rewatch

I dozed off for the first few seconds of it

[texanwitch]

47. I have a dvr.

Andrea and the Gov's science guy are watching the Gov in a room below.

He has a dentist type chair with handcuffs.

Behind the chair was a table with surgical looking tools.

One of them a saw.

[Scruffy Rumbler]

51. My guess is Merl first for warm up,

followed by Michone (sp?). He wants revenge for his daughter's rotten zombie corpse way too much. Oh and his eye.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

53. I don't think so.

My guess is Tyreese and company change their minds about divulging the route into the prison, therefore Sasha gets the chair to (ahem) persuade Tyreese.

[Scruffy Rumbler]

54. Could be. They never entered my mind when I saw the scene.

I hope there is some kind of reconciliation for Rick's group and Tyreese and company.

[MiddleFingerMom]

48. SHIT!!! I forgot it was Walking Dead night. Gotta watch one of the reruns before I peek here.

[Apophis]

52. Andrea needs to die.

Seriously. Her character sucks.

Tonight's episode was boring, but it needed to happen to set-up the rest of the season.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

56. Tonights episode

made much of the "Andrea visits the prison" episode unnecessary; it could have been edited down to 10 minutes and stuck at the beginning of this one.

[Apophis]

58. Agreed.

[MrSlayer]

104. I can't stand her either.

I didn't like when she abandoned Michonne, jumped into bed with the Governor and then wouldn't kill him even after she knew what an asshole he is. She's annoying and presumptuous. It was nice to see her slapped back to reality in this episode.

Damn you Dale! This is your fault…

[d_b]

55. these last few episodes are going to be epic

[MiddleFingerMom]

57. When we were first introduced to the Governor, didn't he have a couple of squads worth of men...

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... with serious paramilitary, if not actual military experience (remember when they took
out the actual soldiers in an ambush)?
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I can't believe that the person "standing guard" just stands behind a chainlink fence so
vulnerable to a sniper -- they're almost like a sacrificial lamb... "OK, we'll lose you, but
then the rest of us will be alert".
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I don't think I'd recognize Maggie in another setting -- she's so much cuter with short
hair and I'm a BiG fan of long hair usually.
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(on edit) "Li'l Asskicker" was a cute name as kind of a one-time, get-over-it-quickly
joke... and I think it's too cutesy and awkward for them to realistically use it over and
over and over again. Dumb.
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[NewJeffCT]

61. He's had several men killed

when Merle went out to hunt for Michonne, he had 2 or 3 other guys with him, all of whom ended up dead.

Then, in the two attacks on the town, he's had several more men killed. Maybe 7-8 total? That's practically a squad, especially since Merle has seemingly switched sides, so is another -1. But, I could be wrong in my assessment.

[Baclava]

59. As great as the 'finding Morgan' episode was....this 'Rick meets the guv' one was just dumb.

So Rick meets the Guv, after just telling the group he plans on killing him - then when they meet he has a gun on him, all alone in the barn, just the two of them and he doesn't PULL THE TRIGGER!?!?!?!?!

Just do it!

So now you're gonna think about giving up Michonne to save everyone from war?

Can Rick be THAT dumb? why yes, yes he can, apparently

Holy contrived drama batman - and Andrea huffing and puffing around like she had a clue, oh yeah, I'm leaving him, as she gets back in the car to drive away.

for real?

oh yeah, I could barely make out with they were saying with all the "Drama Music" blaring in the background too

this was one of them dragging it out lulls we've become so familiar with...cue more 'drama music talking about war' in the background.


The only highlight was Maggie's acrobatic sex scene, so I guess I won't complain about everything. Cheers!

[NewJeffCT]

60. It was weird

didn't they show the Governor having a gun taped to his side of the table - a la Michael having the gun taped in the bathroom in the Godfather movie? Why did the Governor never use it? I kept expecting him to go for it, and then Rick to beat him to the punch.

And, it was weird Andrea going back to Woodbury. It seemed all set up for her to return to the prison - which would mean the Governor loses maybe his best fighter.

[Baclava]

62. Exactly - none it made much sense

just building up the drama for the big shootout at the OK corral, yeah we get what's coming

but hey, Michonne is talking like a real character now, so there's some hope

[Joe Shlabotnik]

89. The way that that gun was taped to the table,

would have made it impossible for the Gov to draw it in a hurry. Rick 1 Gov 0.

[Baitball Blogger]

63. I liked the male bonding scene.

[Baclava]

64. ...and in 2 days we'll kill each other off 'to the last man', more whiskey?

I thought the Guv telling about Andrea spilling her guts to him about Lori and Shane and the baby's paternity was a nice touch though

[Joe Shlabotnik]

88. gotta agree, on many points

- It was already a given that they'd be going to war
- Episode lacked urgency and tension (ie the Nebraska episode), or any surprising plot twists
- The Andrea parts were annoying
- The drama music and camera angles near the end got annoying
- The competition between Martinez and Daryl was amusing, but trite.
- Maggie and Glen, meh.

Personally I'd rather have seen an episode showing them fortifying the prison.

The biggest waste of a character with capabilities is Glen. Instead of getting laid, being a self centered tool, and cutting a hole in a porous fence, why isn't he stealing a truck full of diesel, getting generators going, setting traps etc?

[Duer 157099]

66. I want to see Smithers join the prison gang

Scenes with him and Herschel would be awesome.

[NewJeffCT]

68. Smithers

release the biters!

[Duer 157099]

70. TeeHee

Actually, I like the actor, loved him on Rubicon, so I hope he gets to stay around. Plus, I love his character. The nerdy scientist, ever curious. He and Herschel together are entertaining to me. I couldn't (COULDN'T) care less about sex scenes between Glenn and Maggie, give me more science talk!

[Duer 157099]

67. Killing zombies with squishy heads that collapse with the least bit of force

might not be really preparing the prison gang for what real war with actual living humans is like. I know they've had a couple/few run ins, but by-and-large, they've been fighting the already-dead, easy pickings.

Doesn't seem to be much distinction in their writer's minds. Carl seems to be real good at killing living people though, so there's that (in the book, he's the one that shoots Shane).

[NewJeffCT]

69. I wonder how that works?

Have the zombie heads deteriorated over the past year since the start of the ZA? If bones can survive thousands of years, wouldn't they still offer more resistance than a large cantaloupe?

[Duer 157099]

71. Yeah, you'd think, huh.

Otherwise, every time they bang into a wall, their heads should just fall to the ground.

Hey Robert, you listening?

[NewJeffCT]

72. supposedly

supposedly, some of the people behind the show are regular lurkers on the Roamers & Lurkers forums

[dr.strangelove]

108. many explain that the zombie virus weakens the skeletal structure

so that it is easier to penetrate the skull, but I have never heard that in the walking dead.

[NewJeffCT]

109. well

something happens to them - I don't think a normal skull would explode like that if hit by a baseball bat.

[dr.strangelove]

111. Well

It is a TV show about the dead rising and walking, so I think it is probable that they go into the writing room with the understanding that science and reality are out the window and they just plan to make cool gory kill shots to put on TV.

[NewJeffCT]

113. you mean

it might not all be 100% scientifically accurate?

[dr.strangelove]

117. Right on!

I know some fans like to have a reasonable explanation for things so they can set rules to stick by in their fantasy worlds, but at the end of the day, heads exploding on bats and knives penetrating eye sockets into the brain make for awesome and blood/gore filled shots. Even if it makes no sense, I want more of these kills. My favorite this each week is the Talking Dead's segment on kills of the week.

[lunatica]

81. Carl shot his mother in the tv show too

He also shot Morgan, only Morgan had body armor on.

[Duer 157099]

86. Yep, living, dead,

don't make no nevermind to that boy.

Bet when he grows up, he aspires to be The Governor. He's certainly qualified. Although we have yet to see whether he has a sadistic streak. So far no, but the killing sure comes easy for him.

[Solly Mack]

73. The Governor was looking for Rick's weakness.

The fustian "Your complete surrender" opening was little more than the first move in the Governor's game. He lead with the truth in the guise of the laughingly objectionable. Like someone telling you 'I'm going to kill you and eat you' - well, they can't be serious, can they? (Even when it's the truth, you don't hear the truth of the words, just how crazy they are) The seemingly crazy is the shock for what is to come. Much like Rick claims he is doing with his own group - get'em afraid so selling out Michonne is more acceptable.

He then proceeded to stick barbs in Rick. Looking for the chinks in Rick's armor and to weaken him with each blow.

Rick refused to drink with the Governor. Didn't take the offer - until the Guv mentioned Judith belonging to Shane. A barb. Rick picked up the glass and recall the look on the Guv's face when he did. That knowing smirk. He had landed his mark.

The whole story about the Guv's wife was to remind Rick of Lori's death (Both Andrea and Tyrese made comment of Rick's having gone crazy and Andrea connected it to Lori's death) - and the Guv repeatedly made references to Lori's death. (Your wife died, your wife's death, prison not safe, just look at your dead wife as proof) Also, it gave Rick a chance to wonder even more about what Andrea has told the Guv.

Then he offered up a solution - kill one for the others to live. What kind of leader are you? How weak do you think your position is to even consider my offer? If you blink - even stop to consider it - then I know. Killing Michonne is too easy of a solution and accepting it would show the Guv just how weak Rick is, how willing he is to slink, how low he will go...that's surrender. Once you've surrendered, killing you off is that much easier.

That's why the Guv told his guys to be at the water towers and be prepared to kill everyone there but Michonne (in 2 days time). Rick considered the solution, so the Guv thinks Rick is weak. Afraid. Willing to sell out people to survive. Willing to expose himself and his group to all manner of humiliations (and the Guv does see what he is doing (the "talk&quot as humiliating his opponent).

Rick can't out-sociopath a sociopath.


The chair is for Michonne - the Guv is savoring the anticipation. He fully expects to be the victor. Anyone that gets in his way could end up there too.

However, sociopaths can be out-smarted. Their egos can be used against them. That's where Andrea and the others might find success.

I say might because as they (Guv/Andrea) are walking on separate sides of the road in Woodbury, I didn't get the feeling that either one was fooling the other. The Guv knew Andrea heard something she couldn't live with it (Maggie). Rick mentioned Maggie in front of Andrea and the Guv. Andrea asked Herschel about it. The Guv wouldn't have forgotten the initial mentioning of Maggie with Andrea present. He knows she asked. He'll assume it and write Andrea off in his mind. Truthfully, he probably already has. Why get zombie science guy to spy and report on her otherwise? I think Andrea has been on short time in Woodbury for a while now.


I don't think zombie science guy is long for the show. He did get a taste of intelligent -civilized - talk during his short time with Herschel. A meeting of ideas rather than just mere survival.

Honestly, I don't see Carl just bending over and allowing Rick to sell out Michonne. He'll object.

[NewJeffCT]

74. excellent post

I agree about Milton. My guess is that he gets torn between Andrea & the Governor and ends up killing himself, or getting killed trying to stop the Guv.

[texanwitch]

75. Milton has a decent side to him.

He did show Andrea the Gov. and the chair.

Unless this was meant as a trap for Andrea.

[Solly Mack]

77. I sometimes feel sorry for Milton. Then I'm reminded of how creepy he is.

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But I think he has compartmentalized his survival into a split of his own (a reason for) and one that is detached from that of humans as a whole. His survival is to record what is happening for the whole of humans. To make a mark by explaining it, by showing the human is still human even in reanimation - that we somehow remain us. His experiments, for example.

That's why he thinks he has survived and should continue to survive. That's also how he survives. He is detached from the day to day means of survival in such a world. He needs a benefactor. Someone to keep him safe. (Guv) He's the high-minded guy in the midst of chaos. Or so he sees himself.

He is able to process everything around him and to accept some of what he knows of the Guv because it allows him to have a place to record his history. He can excuse much in his quest to be the post-Zombie historian. It gives him reason. It gives him a cause. If there is an "ivory tower" within Woodbury (and beyond) for the Zombie Apocalypse, then Milton sees himself in it. He has forgotten history though. The intelligentsia are among the first to die when a tyrant runs amok. The tyrants only use for them is as tools and examples. Tyrants are capricious and arbitrary. And I think the Guv has to be be seen as not just a sociopath but a tyrant that is a sociopath - that he is best understood not just through his crazy but for his need to be seen as a benevolent leader. He needs that illusion.


We've seen a change in Milton though. Little things, so far. He'll make a stand for the right but he'll pay for it with his life. I think, anyway. If he were to survive again and end up as part of Rick's group he would probably fall right back into his survival mode of detached from it all. You can't be detached in the game of survival. You can't separate yourself from the whole. That's why histories are written after-the-fact. And we know who writes the history.


Meh. Who knows though? lol

[Duer 157099]

112. Good analysis. I completely agree.

One might think that he could follow the path that Herschel took after joining up with Rick's group. Initially, Herschel was very much like Milton. But he has evolved. Milton could too. I do so hope they keep his character around. It adds depth to the show imho.

[Solly Mack]

114. Maybe they'll allow him to live and he can go back.

Allow his character to grow and expand.

I just don't think he's long for the show. But maybe...

I'm also worried about the next death count. Anyone could die. Dale's death surprised me, so I know the show is capable of socking it to us.

[texanwitch]

76. I don't see the group willing to give up Michonne to the Gov.

I don't see Michonne willing to go, she can fight back.

Our guys have plenty of weapons, and know the prison.

They can set traps for anyone coming in, even the back hole in the prison.

The Gov's army is a pretty sad group.

Our guys are tough and mean now, the Gov's group is soft.

The Gov thinks a lot of himself, thinks he can't be beat.

He is wrong.

He is messing with the wrong group.

[Solly Mack]

78. I agree. He won't beat them.

Not the first time, anyway. If the books and TV show hold true together at least that much. That and the fact the show would be over rather quickly if Rick's group were to die. No bets on who might die though.
I could guess but my guesses would be based on the characters I liked rather a detached view of the show.

I think the Guv has a lot of soft people too. Still, it's survival. People find depths they didn't know they possessed when their lives are on the line.

I also agree that most of the group would object to turning Michonne over. Merle's part of the group now even if people discount him, his words could sway (poison) others as he knows what the Governor is capable of more than they do.

That Rick's group is stronger and more hardened is one reason the Guv was playing with Rick's mind. Trying to find his weakness. You weaken your opponent first with mind-games. It's why armies drop propaganda leaflets in prior to an invasion. Scared people behave erratically.


Rick needs to be mindful of that since his stated aim was to make his group scared. Scared is bad. Scared but prepared is good.

[texanwitch]

79. I think the Gov is afraid of Rick's group.

Here is a group that as already fought back and won.

The Gov can't have that.

That is why he was playing with Rick, and trying to scare him.

The prison would be a hard place to fight if you don't know your way around.

Our guys know it pretty well by now, think of the traps that could be set.

That is what I would do.

After a few of the Gov's army gets killed off in a traps, the rest won't be so brave.

The Gov is nothing without his little army.

The Gov is one big bully boy, with a gang to back him up.

We all know the only way to handle a bully is to fight back.

[Solly Mack]

80. I agree. He's scared.

He's also crazy. His people dying really doesn't mean much to him as long as he gets what he wants out of it. He can spin their deaths to any survivors. The Guv isn't thinking clearly. He is blinded by his bloodlust for Michonne. That's a good thing if used properly.

Course, he really likes surviving himself. I remember how he got off the road in Woodbury when the fighting was going on. (during the rescue of Maggie and Glen) How he told Andrea that it was best to take cover for now. He was running scared. Sociopaths have a keen sense of their own survival. The Guv is definitely a typical bully. Hurts his ego to be seen as weak to others. Makes him erratic and he lashes out. People that lash out often create an opening for others to walk through. I'm hoping Rick and his group use those openings to their advantage. The Guv's overwhelming desire, his need, to torture and kill Michonne is a weakness. I hope Rick uses it to his groups advantage.

I agree that Rick and his group can make the prison a booby trap and that they should. I want them to survive.

I'm not worried about Michonne dying or being turned over. I think a plan will be in place.

[texanwitch]

83. The walkers alone could take out a lot of his army.

The Gov doesn't care about his army, they are just a means to a end.

I think his army will fold, and or get killed off.

The Gov will run off and find another group of people to control.

We will see him again as much as I hope he is killed.

I would love to see Michonne slice his head off.

That is for what he did to Glen and Maggie.

[Solly Mack]

98. I hope they kill the Governor off but he seems to be a popular character.

Even if it is as someone for the viewers to hate. I don't have a need for such an antagonist. Just surviving the Zombies is bad enough to my thinking. Who needs the living to add to the horror? He serves a purpose though. Society breaking down, opportunists being opportunists, voids filled by the fall of government with the rise of mini-tyrants and various thugs. Testing humanity's humanity.

Still, I hope his character dies this season.

Woodbury has to fall because the Governor has to fall...the good guys survival depends on it. But the good guys survival will always be contingent on some governor/leader/thug/bad guy falling. I keep thinking about what Morgan said about the good guys dying, the bad guys dying and the people like him surviving to live in their own personal hell. ('the weak have inherited the earth'...meaning people like him too weak to kill his zombie wife.)

I don't think that was just some last words from a defeated man. I think it was a bit of foreshadowing of choices to come. Of changes in people. Potential changes, anyway. Because that episode was also about not being able to survive alone. Some choices cause you to end up alone. Those are bad choices. Some people are alone even within a group. Whatever is keeping them isolated is probably a reflection of bad choices/decisions on their part. (Merle, Milton,Daryl,The Governor, Andrea, Michonne, Shane...sometimes Rick...at one time or another, all have felt isolated from their group in some way or another. For one reason or another)

The Guv feels isolated from everyone because of his own Sociopathology...though he wouldn't label it isolation. Milton isolated himself as a defense mechanism. His mind could adjust to everything happening if he could see himself in terms of doing something beneficial for humankind - outside of the day to day survival. (his experiments, his history of life in zombie world). Woodbury itself is isolated in that the townspeople are having BBQ's, their entertainment - their bread and circuses (gladiator style zombie wrestle-mania ), like they're in control. Like they've been left untouched. The Governor has fed this illusion, of course. Serves his purpose. Still, the people have chosen to go along with it. To turn a blind eye. To be so controlled by their fear they accept anything without question.

We've seen changes already though, in some of them..to be more a part of the group. A conscious desire to connect or re-connect. Rick was sorta forced back into the game after the attack on the prison. But I didn't see his seeing Lori as a bad thing. He forgot something, he said. I think seeing Lori was a process Rick needed to get through to discover what he forgot. Not sure he has fully.His search was cut short by reality. That could have been the point though. Milton got a taste (with Herschel) of how he's not alone in his thinking that someone needs to record what is happening.

I have to laugh at myself though (and I am). Pondering the deeper meanings of characters on a TV show.

[texanwitch]

99. Good views.

I think when we watch the show we put ourselves in the Walking Dead world.

What would we do, could we make it.

I have been living with a lot of stress for 3 years now, so I can understand Rick and crew.

I think this show gives us hope good people will make it.

I will admit I like the show better then the comics.

The comics are very dark.

I don't understand why Morgan stayed in the beginning.

He was a good man saving Rick.

[Solly Mack]

100. I know I do. Put myself in it all.

I enjoy the comics and they are very dark.

I like the nuts and bolts of the mind. Both in the comics and in the show.

I think Morgan stayed because he couldn't leave his wife. He probably told himself it was because his son wasn't ready but he would have been lying to himself. I think Duane would have gone with his father without fuss had he opted to go with Rick. Jenny was unfinished business, a tie not yet cut.

I think he was overwhelmed by the horror of it all - the dead rising to kill the living. His wellspring of sanity was badly damaged in that moment. In the beginning he could harness his fear and horror and channel its release in the form of saving his wife and child. A purpose. Then his horror was directed into energy toward saving his son. Another purpose. But his weakness, in not killing his zombie-wife and that being the engine that causes the death of son, left him without a purpose. He was now alone with his self-recriminations. He was alone with his failures. His mistakes. Then his much wounded mind found him a purpose - to clear. To trap the dead, to destroy the dead...to clear the dead. He couldn't clear his wife and his son died. He can clear the rest so no one else dies because of him.

I think maybe I get that feeling because of the books, though. (keeping Duane as the Governor kept Penny) Could be a different message with the show. Course, in the comics he leaves both his zombie wife and son. So...

I hope to see Morgan again.

I think how they survive is a big theme in the show. Not just surviving but the means they go about it. How good guys can do bad things but remain good guys. How bad guys can do good things but remain bad guys. How bad do you get and remain good? What's the line? Mere existence never being enough. There has to be hope and not just marking time.


As always, I could just be talking out my ass.

[texanwitch]

101. I remember Morgan with the rifle aimed at his zombie wife.

He just couldn't pull the trigger.

I think that weakness hurt his son.

You have to be strong to make it in that world.

At least Morgan is doing something to keep busy.

Good for the group that he found all the guns.

The last view of Morgan with zombies preparing to burn them was so sad.

That speech he gave was so awesome.

[NewJeffCT]

102. poor Morgan

I wonder how Morgan built up such an arsenal

oops, hit enter there...

But, I think it was tragic that in episode 1, with Morgan being unable to kill his wife, and then his son later on not being able to kill her either, and that being his son's death. Both of them had a chance to kill her, and failed.

[texanwitch]

103. Morgan just couldn't let her go.

I thought when Rick left that the two wouldn't make it.

Just two of them, not enough.

[Solly Mack]

110. I wanted Morgan to go back with Rick so badly.

I've been wanting to see Morgan again and to find him in such a dire state of mind was sad.

Maybe we'll see him again!

I liked his speech too.

[NewJeffCT]

115. I'm not sure what will happen

In the comics, when Rick journeys back to get supplies in the town, they encounter crazy-Morgan and end up bringing him back, where he (Morgan) slowly becomes a bit less crazy. (Duane had been bitten in the comics, too...)

[Solly Mack]

116. I like the actor, Lennie James.

Would love to see more of him in the show.

I think he will be in an upcoming episode though. Even if only in flashbacks. According to the link below, Morgan will make an appearance in the season finale. It list his credits as being in "Welcome to the Tombs", the last show of season 3.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0416694/?ref_=tt_cl_t10

[Joe Shlabotnik]

93. They shouldn't even consider it.

As long as they can survive (ie get enough food) in the prison, they have no need to even negotiate. If they had the know-how, a couple of bombs planted at the meeting spot would be a sufficient explanation for their absence.

[NewJeffCT]

106. If they clear the entire prison

and repair the fences outside the prison, there is open space on the grounds where they could plant vegetables and have a garden.

[RiffRandell]

82. Not that I'm a warmonger

but I loved it when Rick said we're going to war. I was like fuck, yeah! I hate the Gov.

[texanwitch]

84. I am looking at these as someone who has been in the Army.

I did have combat training.

I trying to think like Rick.

I know what I would do if I was in that prison.

It really isn't safe to leave, the walls are protecting them.

Anyone of Rick's group is worth 10 of the Gov's army.

[RiffRandell]

85. So you would give the girl up? n/t

[texanwitch]

87. Hell no.

Hell no.

You stand with your troops.

That would be so wrong to even think of doing it.

The group wouldn't let him.

Rick really wouldn't do it in the end.

He knows it would be wrong.

He knows the Gov is playing him, he kept his gun.

Just wish he would have used it.

[RiffRandell]

90. Good deal!

I feel the same way. He plays it tough when he needs to---but she's an asset and he's loyal, but not to a fault. I love him!

[texanwitch]

92. Rick was just thinking out loud.

Rick did go a little crazy for awhile, look at the stress he had.

The group has come together now, the prison gave them time to rest up.

The Gov should have went with Rick's deal, he would still have a little kingdom.

I think the Gov will make it by running away from the fight.

His army won't hold up, we will see the Gov again.

He did make a big mistake taken out the gate, letting the zombie come in.

His army will have to deal with the zombies at some point.

[NewJeffCT]

105. My guess

is that Rick & company will hit Woodbury first and it will get overrun by walkers/biters/zombies in the process. As revenge, the Governor and the few remaining soldiers he has will lash out at the prison and kill a few people there in revenge, and also compromise the security of the prison itself - forcing Rick and company to flee the prison as the finale for the season.

In the process, the Governor will get killed, and a conflicted Milton will commit suicide. Merle dies trying to save his brother, so is somewhat redeemed. Andrea & Tyreese will each do something to earn the trust of Rick's gang and will be welcomed into the group. My guess is that Hershel, Carol, Beth and baby Judith are the most likely casualties among the prison gang, though not all of them.

[texanwitch]

107. It would be good to hit them first.

Let the walkers do the damage, take out the Gov's army.

I know a least two of our guys are going to get it.

I hope the Gov dies.

[NewJeffCT]

91. Put out the welcome mat for the governor & crew

just like Morgan's welcome mat.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

94. The group must get control of the roof of the prison.

If they get some electricity going, they're all set.

[texanwitch]

97. Yes.

Also a few good snipers on the roof.

[texanwitch]

95. Yep.

And the ax and trip wires.

Add a few walkers here and there.

Also our guys do need a exit plan.

You can always clean up the prison later.