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Bluzmann57

(12,336 posts)
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 11:29 AM Mar 2013

I hate corned beef and cabbage

And I'm part Irish. Born in Illinois, raised in Iowa, want to visit Dublin someday, not for the food but for the...beer!
In fact, when I lived in my old place, there was an excellent pizza place a couple of blocks away and without fail on St. Patrick's Day, I'd order take out pizza from them, sit all alone and eat pizza and drink Irish beer, usually Smithwick's. Now that was a good St. Patrick's Day. Does all this make me a bad guy? And does anyone actually care?
Happy St. Patrick's Day everyone.

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I hate corned beef and cabbage (Original Post) Bluzmann57 Mar 2013 OP
Far as I know, CB&C is not eaten much in Ireland on St. P.'s Day LiberalEsto Mar 2013 #1
My mother always said that the corned beef was the cheap replacement for a proper ham. hedgehog Mar 2013 #2
Really?! OriginalGeek Mar 2013 #5
The original Irish dish was bacon and cabbage - I looked it up LiberalEsto Mar 2013 #22
Love the corned beef... Sekhmets Daughter Mar 2013 #3
The trick is to cook the cabbage for just a short time LiberalEsto Mar 2013 #9
Try cooking it with the bone from a smoked ham some time pinboy3niner Mar 2013 #11
My usual way of cooking cabbage is to finely shred and stir fry it LiberalEsto Mar 2013 #16
Boiled to death cabbage... pipi_k Mar 2013 #12
nicely done. yes. this is a proper meal for St. Paddy's day. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #13
The mashed potatoes sound luscious... Sekhmets Daughter Mar 2013 #14
The potato dish is called "champ" LiberalEsto Mar 2013 #18
I do mine in a crock pot. Slowly roasting the meat. Grantuspeace Mar 2013 #24
Me too! But unlike you ... there is lots of Irish in me! In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #20
I just love corned beef it is well seasoned/marinated and fork tender... NRaleighLiberal Mar 2013 #4
My mom always made smoke butt and cabbage Paulie Mar 2013 #6
Just try to make an ambrosial Reuben sandwich with "proper ham". G'wan... just TRY!!! MiddleFingerMom Mar 2013 #7
I do not care for cabbage. Moondog Mar 2013 #8
Jewish Deli style In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #21
And a Happy St Pat's to you ITW! Moondog Mar 2013 #23
Indeed! Happy St Pat's to you too Moondog! In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #25
Love pipi_k Mar 2013 #10
can I have yours? Kali Mar 2013 #15
I love it (nt) bigwillq Mar 2013 #17
I'd put it at one of my top 5 meals, and I'm not Irish Ter Mar 2013 #19
I agree with the OP. I can't even smell it, let alone eat it. Populist_Prole Mar 2013 #26
A seven course meal for an Irishman is, yortsed snacilbuper Mar 2013 #27
I thought that was the Estonian 7-course meal LiberalEsto Mar 2013 #30
Whatever anyone does, don't use purple cabbage! Ptah Mar 2013 #28
boiled purple cabbage looks particularly appalling LiberalEsto Mar 2013 #29
I love cabbage Aerows Mar 2013 #31
"I hate corned beef and cabbage" yortsed snacilbuper Mar 2013 #32
I'm with PopulistProle and Bluzmann... love_katz Mar 2013 #33
 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
1. Far as I know, CB&C is not eaten much in Ireland on St. P.'s Day
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 11:32 AM
Mar 2013

I think it's more of an Irish-American thing and possibly developed out of the traditional New England boiled dinner.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
22. The original Irish dish was bacon and cabbage - I looked it up
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 12:50 PM
Mar 2013

It is an American dish but based on an Irish meal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon_and_cabbage#Corned_beef_and_cabbage

"The dish consists of unsliced back bacon boiled with cabbage and potatoes. Sometimes other vegetables such as turnips, onions and carrots are also added. Smoked bacon is sometimes used."


"In the mid-to-late 19th century, Irish immigrants to the United States began substituting corned beef for bacon when making the dish, hence creating corned beef and cabbage.[3] Like the original, it sometimes includes additional vegetables (especially carrots and potatoes); this also gives it a certain similarity to the New England boiled dinner, which almost invariably contains a mixture of root vegetables along with boiled meat and cabbage."

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
3. Love the corned beef...
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 11:35 AM
Mar 2013

could cheerfully exist without the cabbage! It took me years to stop saying "I am not Irish, thanks" when people said Happy St Paddy's Day.

I think I just did it again!

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
9. The trick is to cook the cabbage for just a short time
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 12:05 PM
Mar 2013

But most people just boil it to death, and I don't blame you for disliking it.

I'm making corned beef, cabbage, carrots and mashed potatoes with scallions this afternoon.
The corned beef goes into the pot for three hours. The carrots go in for the last 45 minutes, and the cabbage only goes in for the final 15 to 20 minutes. Most folks say they like the way I do the cabbage. The main accompaniment to the meal is reduced-fat sour cream mixed with prepared horseradish.

The other thing I do is cut off every bit of visible fat from the corned beef with a very sharp knife before boiling it. The fat is disgusting and just adds unnecessary calories and cholesterol.

The unpeeled potatoes are boiled separately, then mashed with hot milk and chopped scallions that have been slowly cooked in butter until soft.

There isn't a drop of Irish in me either, but I do this meal because my husband's half Irish, making my daughters a quarter Irish. I don't eat meat any more, just the mashed potatoes and vegetables.

Have a good almost-Spring!

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
16. My usual way of cooking cabbage is to finely shred and stir fry it
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 12:40 PM
Mar 2013

in a small amount of olive oil, with cumin and a quarter-teaspoon of turmeric, until it's wilted.

This goes nicely with Mrs. T's pierogies.

I avoid eating or cooking meat as much as possible, but do the corned beef thing once or twice a year,

Sometimes I cook shredded cabbage (or a bag of cole slaw mix)t without the spices but add several cloves of chopped garlic, finely cut carrots, maybe some peas at the end, mix it with srirarcha and soy sauce and a scrambled egg, and mix it with long rice noodles that have soaked in boiling-hot water for 6 minutes. Topped with cilantro, it's a Vietnamese-type dish although I can't swear to its authenticity.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
12. Boiled to death cabbage...
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 12:12 PM
Mar 2013

actually, it's the only way I can eat it.

Otherwise I keep chewing and chewing and chewing....etc.

It's the only veggie I think tastes better boiled to death.

Some people boil asparagus to death. Yech. Cook just till it turns bright green.

yum!

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
14. The mashed potatoes sound luscious...
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 12:34 PM
Mar 2013

I have never thought of using scallions in them...cooking those in butter until soft sounds just about perfect! I will try it when next I want some mashed taters.

I am one of those very fortunate people whose systems digests cholesterol rather than letting it collect in the arteries. I love the fat on the corned beef...(when I order steaks from the butcher, I ask them not to trim the fat!) I no longer eat every bit of it but I want it available! Disgusting to some, I know.

I live alone now, and decided not to make a corned beef today. The next time I do...I don't wait for this holiday, but make it several times a year, (4 - 6) I may try making cabbage your way. Someone else recently told me they steam their cabbage by making the CB in a slow cooker and placing the cabbage on top. That sounds like a possibility as well.

Thanks for the potatoes with scallions!

You have a great day as well!

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
18. The potato dish is called "champ"
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 12:44 PM
Mar 2013

and sometimes it's made with boiled kale added. I think it may be an actual Irish thing. I got the recipe from some women's magazine years ago.

Here's to the non-Irish too!

Grantuspeace

(873 posts)
24. I do mine in a crock pot. Slowly roasting the meat.
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 01:15 PM
Mar 2013

Then add potatoes. A little latter carrots, and finish with cabbage. You are spot on adding the veggies as you go along. Otherwise you just get mush!

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
20. Me too! But unlike you ... there is lots of Irish in me!
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 12:46 PM
Mar 2013


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NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
4. I just love corned beef it is well seasoned/marinated and fork tender...
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 11:37 AM
Mar 2013

A few Irish pubs close by do a nice job with it. Am learning to love the cabbage as well. And I am French and German...go figure!

My Irish and Scottish wife doesn't like the corned beef...just the cabbage and potatoes!

we are having Eggplant, Zucchini and roasted tomato sauce over whole wheat pasta for dinner.....go figure again!

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
6. My mom always made smoke butt and cabbage
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 11:46 AM
Mar 2013

White vinegar on the boiled to death cabbage.

Today will be corned beef and polish sauerkraut. My much preferred form of cooked cabbage.

Moondog

(4,833 posts)
8. I do not care for cabbage.
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 11:56 AM
Mar 2013

I am mostly Scot on one side, English on the other, with some Irish back there in the mix.

I like corned beef on a sandwich. Maybe with some pastrami. With some slaw, and Russian dressing. On rye. Hot.

In other words, Jewish Deli style.

Otherwise, I'd just as soon pass on it altogether.

Moondog

(4,833 posts)
23. And a Happy St Pat's to you ITW!
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 01:00 PM
Mar 2013

Cute little colleen there.

Hopefully she has found her pot of gold. Good day for it.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
25. Indeed! Happy St Pat's to you too Moondog!
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 01:18 PM
Mar 2013

Thank you. I'm in a wonderful mood today.

As for the colleen ... she has found something better than a pot of gold.
She has found true happiness at last. It is a good day.

I wish you the best Moondog. Today and everyday.

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pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
10. Love
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 12:09 PM
Mar 2013

corned beef and cabbage, but gave up eating beef about six years ago.

So I made a New England boiled dinner yesterday

Daisy ham, cabbage, potatoes, carrots, and onion.

mmmm...mmmm!

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
26. I agree with the OP. I can't even smell it, let alone eat it.
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 01:34 PM
Mar 2013

The sight of semi-transparent ball of cabbage leaves with those viens.....ugggghhh....( cringe ), and the smell! Corned beef just seems like a fatty low-grade meat to me, and the only way I'll eat cabbage is if it's thoroughly shredded; like sauerkraut and in certain Asian foods like Lumpia.

love_katz

(2,578 posts)
33. I'm with PopulistProle and Bluzmann...
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 04:06 PM
Mar 2013

I hate corned beef and cabbage.

First time I ever had it, was in a New England boiled dinner. Yuk!

The only ways I can eat cabbage is in sour kraut, cabbage rolls, or Asian -type slaws. Regular coleslaw -

You folks who like CB&C...you can have my share.

Happy St. Paddy's day to those who celebrate...

And Happy (almost) Spring to all of us.

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