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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsLolita was the first Kubrick film I've ever disliked...
I assume the book is much better?
TM99
(8,352 posts)Nabokov's tragicomedy Lolitas is one of the greats of 20th century literature.
Is it controversial? Yes, absolutely. Do you feel a mixture of emotions upon completion of it? Yes, most certainly.
I like Kubrick a lot, but no film can really do the novel justice. So much of the book is an intimate glimpse inside Humbert's memories and thoughts around the memories themselves. I think that is very difficult to portray in a film without the use of a 'narration' track and/or flashbacks. And that would then make for a very poor film.
So yes, I would recommend reading it even if you didn't particularly like Kubrick's adaptation.
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)Obsessions are the raw truth of a person's soul.
Bucky
(53,998 posts)I'm going to keep at you about this until I make you change. I just I can't let it go.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)I didn't care too much for that one, but I actually liked Lolita.
I have Lolita and Bend Sinister in my book collection.....loved both.
http://www.amazon.com/Bend-Sinister-Vladimir-Nabokov/dp/0679727272/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1378551567&sr=1-1&keywords=bend+sinister
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Although it took two viewings to come to that conclusion.
mockmonkey
(2,815 posts)I have very little memory of it other than it appeared to be about Tom Cruise repeating everything said to him. Memories be funny things. Some day I might watch it again.
I liked Lolita but then I never read the book. I'm bad at comprehension. My teachers at school encouraged me not to read.
ghostsofgiants
(33,924 posts)The fact that so many people hate it only solidifies my belief that it's brilliant.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Guess I'm not as cool as I thought I was.
Didn't hate it, just thought it was ok.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)I think the fact that such a respected director centered a film around sex and had such strong sexual content freaked many people out.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 8, 2013, 07:32 AM - Edit history (1)
it didn't even freak me out; I was bored.
I saw 9 1/2 weeks when I was 18 and loved it. I liked Shame too.
I like Vanilla Sky (Cameron Crowe) but it took me a couple times.
To each his/her own.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)It is difficult to make a beautiful naked woman completely un-sexy, but Kubrick managed to do it. Repeatedly.
A soulless film. Empty lead characters. A scandal that is not scandalous.
Barry Lyndon was a snooze, too, though much prettier.
edbermac
(15,938 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Redolent of much art criticism.
This reviewer projects much, that's all.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)one of the worse movies i've seen. cruise is one of the worse actors in film history.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)Had really high hopes, but initially found it boring and ultimately un-sexy... although, I've read some interesting analyses of it, and might go back and watch it again with the idea that everything that happens after their big argument in the bedroom is apparently his dream...
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)There was so much hype around it and I had high hopes as well but found it to be a snooze fest. My husband felt the same way.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)I kept thinking it couldn't really be this bad, that I must be missing something. I concluded it really was that bad. And worse.
I remember afterwards heading into the ladies room, and another woman turned to me and asked, "What was THAT?!?" I just shook my head and shrugged, "I have absolutely NO idea."
I truly wanted not only my money back, but the couple of hours of my life it robbed me of.
After much thought, about what I had read about Kubrick hating "movie stars" and celebrity, about how for one scene he made Cruise repeat walking through a door into a room something like 57 times until he got it "right," that Kubrick was sticking everybody in the eye with that thing. He hated celebrity, so I figure he deliberately hired the biggest celebrity couple at the time for the fun and pleasure of torturing them while they twisted themselves into pretzels with joy and amazement thinking they'd now truly made it as serious "actors" while trying to please "the master." I remember watching Kidman in an interview during the promotional period talking about how the first time she just saw it and how shocked she was. I had no doubt she was shocked, but I think that while she was trying to pull of "shock and awe" for the interview, she really was just shocked and horrified at having been taken for a really bad ride.
He knew it would be revered by the critics for no goddam good reason, and smirked at producing complete garbage for them to find twisted reasons to swoon over. I think he was mocking and making fun of all of us, audience included. Which is fine, because I never worshipped him. I just went to the movie like most people, thinking he's supposed to be so great and this is his first time out in years, etc. And vaguely remembered watching 2001 after smoking pot for the first time in my life.
Aaaack. What a waste of celluloid.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Unlike Blair Witch Project, which I thought totally sucked and had so much hype around it...cool premise but I thought it was awful.
nolabear
(41,960 posts)I'm a Kubrick fan but there's no way to depict humbert's amazing internal world on film.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)That is hard to convey in a movie
"Memento" is the rare movie I've ever seen do an unreliable narrator justice
nolabear
(41,960 posts)People tie themselves in knots wondering how someone like Ariel Castro can do what he did. Humbert is perfect in depicting how far someone can go in believing his own sometimes utterly mad claims. We see Lolita through his eyes. When we have to see her through our own it's good, but not right. It doesn't convey how helpless, how much the victim Humbert felt like and convinced himself he was, even as our mouths hang open with shock at what he's doing. That elevates the possibly just dreadful to art.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)With Vlad banging his head against the wall as a result
As a result, Anthony Burgess wrote "Clockwork Orange" and Alex - a man of no redeemable characteristics narrating the story.
UTUSN
(70,684 posts)three of them I didn't even know were KUBRICK films when I saw them (Full Metal Jacket, Spartacus, Barry Lyndon). I suppose I saw them without setting out to follow KUBRICK just because the marketing worked on me, everybody was seeing them, or they were cited as being great. The others: Shining, Clockwork, 2001, Strangelove, Lolita, Eyes.
Just the subject of Lolita is creepy and despite how great it or moreso the book is supposed to be, the creepiness just voiding the whole value for me. 2001 and Clockwork left me eh/O.K. Actually, I liked the three I didn't know as KUBRICK more than his other ones. Eyes was nothing to me. Strangelove was funny in a Mad magazine kind of way to me. Shining thoroughly spooked me, giving me almost my one all time chills (where the wife finds the manuscript all "The swift brown fox...). I've never made it through Stephen KING's movie version with three attempts and don't get why he didn't like KUBRICK's.
Since I never focused on "KUBRICK FILMS," I'm only now seeing the thread of INCONGRUITY in his stuff, whether of uncomfortable topics, or beautiful music/horrible characters, or even casting choices. Incongruity/uncomfortableness is his game, eh?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)horror films that still stand up. The scene where the twins tell Danny to come play with them still makes my skin crawl.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)I always watch it when it's on. Scary shit.
nolabear
(41,960 posts)I like people a lot, and he's one of them, in all his strange glory.
By the way, if you want to see what might be one of his finest, and one of THE finest films ever made, see Paths of Glory. It's an anti-war movie like none other.
edbermac
(15,938 posts)Though I admit Lolita is not among my top SK films. I did not see James Mason as Humbert, thought Shelley Winters and Peter Sellers made the film watchable.
There is a website run by Rob Ager who does great analysis of Kubrick films. He had some videos on youtube but sells them on DVD now.
http://www.collativelearning.com/
Here is a nice one talking about the odd design of the Shining hotel.
And the Grady twins.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)2001 was a bit of a lava lamp of a movie, but the sound design was amazing.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)Consider the time it came out
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)He's a rapist, and being the unaware narcissist that he is, thinks that he loves Lolita and that Lolita loves him.
The blurbs on the original paperback cover said it was "a love story".
Well, it is not. It is a criminal attempting to justify his criminal actions.
I am not sure if some people got the idea that he is indeed a criminal and that there is NO justification for his rape of an underage girl, and his complete inability to have any empathy for the horrendous physical and emotional pain he subjects her to.
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)It's also one of those books, where a lot of what makes it special goes way beyond the basic plot/characterization stuff that you can capture in movies, so even if the subject matter wasn't so uncomfortable and controversial, it's not really possible to make a movie to do it justice. So somehow Kubrick (and Nabokov, who worked on the screenplay) ended up with half of the film being Peter Sellers doing his schtick as a 'funny' pedophile.
Anyway, the book is great, and if you like it, there is a book called The Annotated Lolita, that really sheds a light on a lot of the stuff going on under the surface of that book (and does it in a way that is accessible to readers, not literary academics.) I'm also very fond of Pale Fire. It doesn't have the emotional punch of Lolita, but its narrator is even more deranged, and in a way that is mostly funny instead of tragic and horrible.