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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsA fond farewell to my old friend from the Hitler Youth
Ha! Got your attention with that one, I'll bet. It IS an interesting story.
"Onkel Alfred" was one of the closest friends of my wife's family. He once ran a bicycle factory in the rural German northwest, and was respected by all as a hardworking, very fair boss. As manager, he brought in great profits for the family that owned the bicycle factory, and was well-liked by the people who worked under him. My wife even worked there for a while as a teenager.
I only met him after I met my wife, of course, and I really adored this guy, aware, friendly and non-judgemental, especially by German standards. A true "liberal" in the classic sense of the word. His wife is every bit the same. She survives him.
He once told me about his war experience. Too young to serve in the military, he was "encouraged" to join the Hitler Youth, as were all kids in the late 1930s and early 1940s. He said the indoctrination was all-pervasive, and they had you believing the wonderfulness of being a German and the master race and the whole nine yards they fed you. He said it was a brain-washing so complete, there was no way you could ever imagine (as a 10 year old) that you were being fed complete bullshit.
From what Uncle Alfred told me about his childhood, I drew parallels to many parts of America today, where I meet young people with Fox-watching, teabagging parents, and I understand how it is that the 47% is still very much out there.
Many of them live in areas much like Onkel Alfred's part of rural Germany, and although they have a choice of media (where Nazi-era Germans did not), they do not exercise that choice. Their kids get indoctrinated from the moment they can talk, and many of them probably think that teachers that want to teach them evolution instead of creationism are doing the devil's work. Get to them young enough and they'll believe anything.
This doesn't pertain only to our Republicans. No rational seventeen year old kid would strap a bomb full of nails to his chest, walk into a crowded marketplace and detonate it. Remove his rationality, convince him (and convince him absolutely) that he'll be impregnating the first of his 72 virgins by that afternoon, and he'll do anything you want.
Onkel Alfred was lucky enough to escape his intended fate and become a rational, kind, dedicated person. Too many did not. That goes as well for the blinded children who attend rallies for Teabaggers, abuse other children because it's either encouraged or not discouraged by their parents and teachers, and think they know all there is to know about the world because they heard it from some perverted pastor whose drivel their parents told them from birth was the word of "God." How many American children will grow up to be like the Hitler Youth Onkel Alfred was, and never get out from under from the yoke of ignorance and hate from which Onkel Alfred managed to so successfully free himself? Alfred worried about that a lot. He worried about the parallels between today's radical right in America and the ones who brainwashed him as a ten year old. It was a subject that troubled him terribly.
I spent many long afternoons up in Northwestern Germany, in the tiny towns of Quackenbrück and Löningen, slowly downing tea and afternoon cake with Onkel Alfred, going over our very different life experiences, his of course stretching far longer than my own. And yet, we had so very much in common in the way we viewed the world. He had had to travel a much longer path to get there than I ever did.
He passed away in his sleep yesterday. I'll miss those afternoons. I'll miss him.
Auf wiedersehen, alter Freund.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Every year for some years I speak to a class on the VN War at our local JC, paired wih another VN vet for the session.
A few years back the guy I was paired with was someone new who'd been at My Lai. He didn't detail then, or in our private conversations since, exactly what he did. He only said that when he refused to fire on civilians his fellow soldiers put an M-16 to his head and told him that he'd either fire or be counted as a casualty of the VC.
I think I know how he reacted, and why he won't talk about it.
My friend gave a deposition in the investigations, but he wasn't called to testify (he wasn't in Calley's company).
I'm pretty sure that he committed atrocities in Vietnam. And he is my friend.
DFW
(54,330 posts)"Do this horrible thing or be killed. Choose. Now."
Alfred was led around as a kid by some evil adults, but never was required to participate in any atrocities himself. Luckily for him, he wasn't old enough. That could well be why he turned out so decently--he never had to carry around the baggage of having to perform any violence himself.
A German friend of mine who is a few years older than I am heard all sorts of horror stories from his dad who was in uniform on the Russian front. One time, his dad's unit had captured two women who were said to have been partisans. One guy in the unit was ordered to shoot them on the spot. He refuse to kill two unarmed women in cold blood. His commanding officer repeated the order, and said he would be shot as a traitor if he didn't bey the order. Another guy in the unit defused the situation, saying they shouldn't be killing their own people over this, and then he took the women around the side of a barn. A brief burst of machine gun fire was heard and that was the end of the incident. Had it been left up to the commanding officer, both the reticent soldier AND the two women would have been shot, so I can well imagine the choice your friend was faced with. In that case and the one with your friend at My Lai, the one giving the order to kill was the one deserving of being shot, but it's never as it should be, is it?
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)He's been living with what he did, and punishing himself, ever since VN. Knowing something of his history, I'm surprised he's still alive. Hell, I dodn't commit any atrocities in VN and with the psychological trauma I'm surprised I'm still alive!
Your story plays directly into current events. And how we treat those with various connections to war crimes.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)which points to the reason why I find it hard to seriously judge what others do in extenuating circumstances....
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,571 posts)You tell it so very well. I am moved...
Safe passage to your dear Onkel Alfred. He has earned, more than earned, his rest.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)We need much more of his wisdom in this country.
DFW
(54,330 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Thank you.
DFW
(54,330 posts)But he was still up there in my list of "incredible elderly" acquaintances.
This year, I've lost both Helen and now Onkel Alfred. I hope that is as far as it goes. Funerals are not my "thing."
bluesbassman
(19,369 posts)Amazing how history repeats itself over and over.
Glad you were able to know such a fine man who overcame his influences.
rug
(82,333 posts)But in small villages, the number of non-Jewish nine- and ten-year-olds who weren't taken into the HJ was negligible, because there was nowhere to hide, either socially or literally, no matter how their parents felt. The Reich saw this as a guarantee for their perpetuation.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)DFW
(54,330 posts)The name is no accident. The symbol of the town is a green frog, and there are paths through the town (sort of like the "Freedom Trail" through Boston, though on a much smaller scale) consisting of green frogs' feet.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)"Quack" is German for "ribbit."
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)We were the only people in the place over twenty-two, so we fell in together. He was from Berlin, had been fifteen in '45. He said they gave him a panzerfaust and told him to wait here, and that he threw it away and ran and hid as soon as he could see no one else, and lasted hiding out till the Russians were past. Where he lived became part of the U.S. sector, and he had come over here in the early fifties. He was a decent guy, did not want to talk much about it, which you have to respect, curious as you might be. Few of the kids there were white, and there was never anything even hinted at a problem to me in his interaction with them.
My condolences on your loss.
DFW
(54,330 posts)My father-in-law was a farmer who was drafted off his farm at age 17 and sent to Stalingrad. Where the city boys in his unit froze to death, he was used to the bitter cold, and didn't. During the retreat, an artillery shell blew off one of his legs, and a retreating unit noticed by chance that he was still alive, and brought him with them. He was returned to his farm at age 18, minus a leg, and his only wish after that was that if he ever had grandchildren was that they would be girls, and therefore exempt from military service. He got his wish, curiously enough.
He NEVER discussed the worst of his combat experiences, but in his near-death delirium in his seventies, it all came back, and he was crying out to long-dead members of his unit to watch out for incoming. Suppressed so long, it had never left him.
Alfred, luckily, never had to live those experiences. His wounds were only psychological, and though many never recover from them, either, he managed. Had he been as old as fifteen in 1945, I'm sure Alfred wouldn't have escaped the "honor" of bearing arms either, if only as briefly as your co-worker.