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UTUSN

(70,674 posts)
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:13 PM Jan 2014

Are picky prejudices against "adult" foods/tastes immaturity or lack of cultivation?

So I enjoy very occasional cooking my family recipes for a few friends. These recipes involve olives, onions, tomatoes, and these particular items have been anathema to one or another guest. Today I'm having somebody over who had previously picked out the cooked tomato bits out of the dish. This time I asked ahead of time whether green olives are on the proscribed list, and sure enough, it was quite clear that they are. Fine, so I'm leaving them out until after that serving, then will add them into the rest. One time somebody didn't mention being a vegetarian and also did the picking thing, picking out the chunks of meat, although I know there are some even more gung ho vegetarians who won't eat the dish that had meat cooked in it but removed.

Well, full disclosure: I guess that I sneer when MY foods are shunned, but I have a long list of my own of non-edibles, and probably am WAY provincial, actually no "probably" about it. I guess I'm just baffled when my limited cooking has the kink thrown at it of ruling out my main ingredients.

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Are picky prejudices against "adult" foods/tastes immaturity or lack of cultivation? (Original Post) UTUSN Jan 2014 OP
I'll eat anything as long as they're not touching each other. rug Jan 2014 #1
Or looking back at me. nt rrneck Jan 2014 #25
Often it's neither. noamnety Jan 2014 #2
The feel in the mouth thing... pipi_k Jan 2014 #4
i think part of it is never having had that food cooked properly fizzgig Jan 2014 #3
I don't believe I'd be able to eat clams without throwing up. anasv Jan 2014 #89
Having gotten to know people, a good amount of it is lack of exposure or coddling growing up Populist_Prole Jan 2014 #5
My fiancee makes so much noise about hating olives and mushrooms Codeine Jan 2014 #24
That was a total pet peeve of mine with my ex laundry_queen Jan 2014 #50
I have texture issues and can be really picky for a fat broad, but Kali Jan 2014 #6
That reminds me of my SIL's mom laundry_queen Jan 2014 #52
And then some of us are embarrassed to tears when others find out about our food choices LynneSin Jan 2014 #95
In some ways I think it's a reflection of our increasingly self-absorbed culture. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #7
I view it differently. noamnety Jan 2014 #9
Sigh. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #16
I brought up the alcohol and smoking noamnety Jan 2014 #18
smoking anasv Jan 2014 #90
if someone has all kinds of allergies and "look at me" quibbles about food FatBuddy Jan 2014 #13
Remind me not to go to your home nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #69
Well, how about those of us who have a serious food allergy? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #68
When having dinner as a guest in someone's house, its impolite to be picky imho riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #8
Wait a sec! noamnety Jan 2014 #10
No of course not! Of course people who are allergic will just have to say so! riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #11
ok! That makes more sense. noamnety Jan 2014 #17
If you have a strong reason for refusing a food, mention it ahead of time Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2014 #63
A distaste for something is being given the same weight as an allergy. alphafemale Jan 2014 #81
i follow my mom's lead on this: FatBuddy Jan 2014 #12
I am a very adventurous eater distantearlywarning Jan 2014 #14
Yeah, I just threw the "maturity" thing in from thinking certain items, like onions, UTUSN Jan 2014 #15
I hated onions as a kid and I still hate them. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2014 #20
I hated onions and peppers as a kid laundry_queen Jan 2014 #53
I hated those as a kid too tabbycat31 Jan 2014 #60
I want to try roasted insects... Locut0s Jan 2014 #30
"you get what you get, and don't get upset" kwassa Jan 2014 #19
I had a boyfriend like that Sanity Claws Jan 2014 #21
Green olives are absolutely disgusting. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #22
I'll take two green olives in my martini. Thank you very much. kwassa Jan 2014 #31
I'm not a fan of gin either. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #32
Have you drunk liquefied pine tree? kwassa Jan 2014 #44
It's a bit rude to my mind. rrneck Jan 2014 #23
In my case, I have a very active gag reflex mythology Jan 2014 #26
I tend to only invite guests who are omnivores. If you don't like my ingredients Rowdyboy Jan 2014 #27
Both or neither depending on the situation... Locut0s Jan 2014 #28
Btw I'll great just about anything on the planet once or twice.. Locut0s Jan 2014 #29
Tomato allergy is called "nightshade allergy". Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2014 #33
thanks and sorry. none of my friends have cited this level of trauma or medical reasons. UTUSN Jan 2014 #34
I worked in restaurants for years and to the question "Is that spicy?" I always said DebJ Jan 2014 #35
Thank you for this. Butterbean Jan 2014 #39
Having everyone bring a dish works best for us. DebJ Jan 2014 #36
Yeah, I've had 60 yrs of experience with an older sister who is perhaps why pickiness is my topic UTUSN Jan 2014 #38
That really sounds like an eating or OCD type disorder noamnety Jan 2014 #40
"Fine. Wait in the car. Just realize that is YOUR choice." alphafemale Jan 2014 #85
Adult picky eaters are annoying. If it's because of an allergy LeftinOH Jan 2014 #37
Cooked dinner recently for gluten-free, vegan guests. mainer Jan 2014 #41
Thank you. I appreciate that many replies here have broadened things with legitimate causes UTUSN Jan 2014 #43
They shouldn't have to go into personal details. noamnety Jan 2014 #47
Allow me to try again: I brought it up because neither their "politeness" nor my "pressuring" have UTUSN Jan 2014 #48
True, no one should be forced to eat what they don't want to eat mainer Jan 2014 #49
I understand how it is. noamnety Jan 2014 #51
I love cumin-turmeric-cilantro combos mainer Jan 2014 #55
My daughter's a vegan and my husband and I are not so I feel your pain riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #57
tofu pad thai mainer Jan 2014 #58
Thanks! Can't wait to try it! nt riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #61
Can't stand to be in the same room as the coffee pot brewing? Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2014 #64
It's an allergic reaction, not "can't stand it." noamnety Jan 2014 #65
But the caffeine is not in the aroma Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2014 #66
Maybe it was coffee beans, not just caffeine. noamnety Jan 2014 #72
Suggestion, for the gluten free folks nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #71
Wonder what some of these picky people would do... MicaelS Jan 2014 #42
Wow. noamnety Jan 2014 #46
You completely dodged my question. MicaelS Jan 2014 #56
Hey, if it was a crisis situation noamnety Jan 2014 #62
it depends if your survival FatBuddy Jan 2014 #75
most people will resort to cannibalism FatBuddy Jan 2014 #74
They just aren't Hungry Enough. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2014 #45
If you are planning on pleasing a GROUP, don't use the following ingredients: PassingFair Jan 2014 #54
I love Liver. MicaelS Jan 2014 #59
I think both. alarimer Jan 2014 #67
One of the perks of being grown up is no longer being forced to eat foods one doesn't like, MerryBlooms Jan 2014 #70
Except for the sister, nobody was forced, criticized, ridiculed, or guilted UTUSN Jan 2014 #73
For sure you were put on the spot and just like it's our duty to be good hosts, MerryBlooms Jan 2014 #86
People invited to dinner expecting whims to be catered to? bullshit. alphafemale Jan 2014 #76
Well I guess you would not mind nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #77
I am not talking about allergies. alphafemale Jan 2014 #78
Yup, will not accept an invitation from you nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #79
Do not accept a dinner to an oyster roast if you are allergic...or alphafemale Jan 2014 #80
My mom used to accomodate people regularly nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #82
Being offended by people with food allergies is not being hospitable. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2014 #83
You know I can taste the bitter taste of saccharine too nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #84
"I am not talking about allergies." Thanks for getting & sticking to the point of all this. UTUSN Jan 2014 #87
Was there something you left out of the OP? noamnety Jan 2014 #88
Once again (multiple times), they gave NO clue ahead of time of anything. UTUSN Jan 2014 #91
Some people have extreme tastebuds - aka SuperTasters LynneSin Jan 2014 #92
Fine, so the handful of people I was talking about should be up front whenever food events UTUSN Jan 2014 #93
I completely understand your frustration LynneSin Jan 2014 #94
Wow, thanks to see an old DUer again. UTUSN Jan 2014 #96
 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
2. Often it's neither.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:03 PM
Jan 2014

Some food dislikes are due to genetic differences. The ability to taste the bitter compound in brussel sprouts, or the genetic thing that makes cilantro taste like soap are examples. It's nothing to do with being mature, or cultured - just a difference in our bodies, and one could I suppose argue that the ability to taste the bitterness makes us more cultured than someone who doesn't have that ability.

Also, I teach high school, and have gotten to learn that for some people it's related to other issues like OCD and mouth feel of foods, and there's not much point in being offended that a person has OCD. They might be able to overcome some of it with therapy, but also it's just a part of who they are, and that doesn't make us more mature or less mature than us.

Of course that's easier for me to grasp when it's a student versus the inlaws. But intellectually, I know it - and that should count for something.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
4. The feel in the mouth thing...
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:19 PM
Jan 2014

One of my younger sisters could never stand to eat mashed potatoes. The texture of them would make her gag. As a child, anyway. Don't know how she feels about them now.

As for myself, I often wonder what's wrong with my own mouth, as even the least little bit of spiciness sets my mouth to burning and leaves sores on my lips and tongue. This is a problem because I don't eat beef, but chicken and turkey are OK...however, many food companies add all sorts of spices to the chicken or turkey in a food to give it "taste".

It's no fun to eat food that hurts.

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
3. i think part of it is never having had that food cooked properly
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:13 PM
Jan 2014

I have talked a few people into eating things they don't like based on that premise and they've cleaned the plate every time.

Husband used to hate brussel sprouts but loves them now that he's had them well prepared rather than taken from the freezer and put in the microwave

I am not that picky an eater, but there are some things I don't like, mainly shellfish and bivalves. Can't get over the texture.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
5. Having gotten to know people, a good amount of it is lack of exposure or coddling growing up
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:50 PM
Jan 2014

I've ran in to so many with small palettes where the reason they won't eat XYZ food is that they've never had it before, and quite common, some variation of "my mother never made it" or "my father didn't like it".

They can be a colossal pain in the rear when dealing with them in social/eating situations. I hate constantly having a group of us give in to the PIA in the group and have to eat meat & potatoes all the time.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
24. My fiancee makes so much noise about hating olives and mushrooms
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:06 PM
Jan 2014

that both of the kids insist they're disgusting, despite neither of the little buggers ever having tried a single damned bite of said foods.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
50. That was a total pet peeve of mine with my ex
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:33 PM
Jan 2014

he didn't like vegetables at all, and especially tomatoes, so he would always loudly 'EW!' when I cooked anything he didn't like. He was so overt about it that my older 3 kids won't touch tomatoes, which is so hard for me since I like everything tomato! My grandmother used to make the best canned tomatoes that we would eat right out of the jar with fresh bread. My kids wouldn't touch it when we were there. Very annoying.

My youngest hasn't been around my ex much - we split up when she was 2 - and she spent a lot of time in childcare with a wonderful lady who was a vegetarian and very good at making varied, interesting, nutritious, vegetable packed meals. Not shockingly, she is my one child who loves tomatoes. She loves olives as well which is something I could never personally eat (I've tried, numerous times, I always end up spitting it out despite wanting to like them!). So I buy her olives and I don't mention how much I dislike them. She even orders olives on her pizza now, it cracks me up. I guess my 6 year old is more cultured than I am, LOL.

Kali

(55,007 posts)
6. I have texture issues and can be really picky for a fat broad, but
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 02:56 PM
Jan 2014

I see an awful lot of "adults" behave like spoiled children when it comes to food, especially in social situations. Yes a good host makes an effort to be considerate of guests' food preferences, but are there good guests any more? People seem to treat their picky ass PREFERENCES as life-and-death allergies and you know it is all jsut LOOK AT MEEEEEE bullshit.

I was taught to eat what was made and say thank you.

Spoiled westerners traveling in poorer countries piss me off the most. Just STFU and eat what is in front of you, somebody may have sacrificed a lot of their meager income to be hospitable to you! Or go on a cruise if indulgent food is all you care about. ugh

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
52. That reminds me of my SIL's mom
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:43 PM
Jan 2014

My SIL rolls her eyes because her (very narcissistic) mom uses her dislike of onions to claim a 'deadly allergy' to them, even though my SIL has seen her mom eat them before without knowing, lol. One year she turned down an invitation to my parent's home for dinner because she heard they liked to cook with onions. My parents promised her an onion-free meal, and she was less than appreciative when she did come. My SIL was very embarrassed.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
95. And then some of us are embarrassed to tears when others find out about our food choices
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 04:49 PM
Jan 2014

It is a two-way street.

Over the years I've learned to fit in with social situations but there is always someone in a crowd that will find out about my eating issues and then do all they can to embarrass the crap out of me. Insensitivity comes from both directions with this issue.

In the end - if you're at a social situation with someone who has food issues the best thing to do is ignore them. If you ask them about a certain food and that person says 'I didn't try it' then chat about something else. I've been dealing with this issue for decades so I've learned to just keep my mouth shut but it is frustrating when someone feels they need to make an example of me.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
7. In some ways I think it's a reflection of our increasingly self-absorbed culture.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 03:45 PM
Jan 2014

It's completely unreasonable to expect your host to significantly alter a recipe because you simply don't care for tomatoes, or olives, or whatever. Just shut up and eat a few bites - it's not all about you.

Sure, people have allergies, or OCD, or are vegan, etc. and a good host will take that into consideration when preparing a menu. Those issues should be respected to the greatest extent possible. But guests have the social obligation to go along with menu without making a big stink about their personal preferences or likes/dislikes because that's what you do. It's part of the social contract. If you are so inflexible about this you should probably decline all invitations to dinner when someone else is preparing the food.



 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
9. I view it differently.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:37 PM
Jan 2014

There's a sliding scale from accepting your lot in life to being self-absorbed, and in the middle of that scale there's advocating for control over your own body.

If I'm on a diet (which I was for a few years when my doctor demanded it), I'm not going to eat dessert I don't want just to appease someone else. I would expect vegetarians to be the same way, they shouldn't have to violate their moral code to please me.

It's like if a host offered me a cigarette - I'd say no thanks I don't smoke, and have a WTF reaction if they got pissy because I didn't take it. Or if I had quit drinking and a host tried to push a drink on me, I would expect them to understand that's not part of my life and be gracious instead of offended by that.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
16. Sigh.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 05:40 PM
Jan 2014

If you're on a diet, then don't have the dessert. And I have NO idea why you're bringing up smoking or drinking - those are legitimate health issues and have nothing to do with this conversation. That's a really poor attempt at analogy.

What I'm talking about is making a big production about how you don't like tomatoes, and elaborately picking them out of your cooked food, and etc. Unless you have a deathly allergy, just eat the damned tomatoes and move on. I hate lima beans, and if you offered me a side dish of succotash I'd politely decline it and appreciatively eat the other dishes. If your entree is a bean casserole which includes limas, and removing each and every one of them would be ridiculous, then I'd eat a few mouthfuls, pronounce it all delicious, and forget about it after that. I'm not so self-absorbed that I have to make sure that everyone present knows I hate lima beans. That just makes the host and other guests feel awkward and is, frankly, a drag. Being an appreciative guest is part of the social contract and that's what I'm talking about.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
18. I brought up the alcohol and smoking
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 06:02 PM
Jan 2014

because to me, it's not so different than someone being on low carbs for health reasons, or avoiding gluten because of bad reactions - and having others snicker that you probably aren't really allergic, it's just a "fad."

I've had the same reactions regarding not wanting to be someplace with second hand smoke back when it was allowed in restaurants. I can't be in those places because it triggers a migraine after the fact, with vomiting, the whole works. But people dismissed it as me being fussy and high maintenance.

I've seen those kind of responses regularly with people who are sensitive to wheat, with people thinking they are just being rude guests or high maintenance. Not too many guests want to go into details about IBS and what happens if they eat wheat or dairy products - and they shouldn't have to. It should be enough for a guest to be able to just avoid eating certain things. If a host gets offended, maybe they are the ones who are too self-absorbed. The get-together should be about time spent together as friends or family, not about telling people they should just stay home and they aren't welcome if they won't eat the tomatoes.

 

anasv

(225 posts)
90. smoking
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 11:39 AM
Jan 2014

Or you have to go home, wash your clothes, wash your hair, and take a bath. Smokers have no idea how smoke clings.

 

FatBuddy

(376 posts)
13. if someone has all kinds of allergies and "look at me" quibbles about food
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 05:07 PM
Jan 2014

stay your ass at home and sit in a plastic bubble and let grown up congregate with grown ups.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
68. Well, how about those of us who have a serious food allergy?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 07:51 PM
Jan 2014

Are we self absorbed? A friend of mind just had bypass surgery, would it be bad taste if I prepared a heart healthy dish that I can enjoy (safely) too...or is that too self absorbed? I accidentally had some gluten on the 31st, I am still feeling some effects

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
8. When having dinner as a guest in someone's house, its impolite to be picky imho
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:26 PM
Jan 2014

Just eat the three bites that indicate you tried it and then complain of a mild tummy ache to explain away the lack of appetite for the dish.

When going out to eat however, you're paying for the meal and can be as picky as you like. If you're paying for the meal you can do what you need to do about staying way from foods that you don't like or that you're allergic to.

But some people are just stubborn about trying anything "new" and then they are just being immature and/or refusing to act like an adult by exploring new possibilities.

And yeah, for some people its a lack of cultivation - kind of like suggesting Olive Garden in NY city when asking about restaurant suggestions.

Oops! Did I really go there?!



 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
10. Wait a sec!
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:39 PM
Jan 2014

Did you really just say people should eat foods they are allergic to, unless they are paying for it at a restaurant?

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
11. No of course not! Of course people who are allergic will just have to say so!
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 05:01 PM
Jan 2014

You'd think though that they would have told the host beforehand about it.

But if they didn't then of course the guest shouldn't injure themselves. I'm pretty sure the OP would understand if that's the case for his meal - nobody wants to see their guest go into an allergic reaction/shock from their food! Eek!

Sorry I wasn't clear.



 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
17. ok! That makes more sense.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 05:54 PM
Jan 2014

I bet you thought the olive garden comment would generate the outrage, heh.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
63. If you have a strong reason for refusing a food, mention it ahead of time
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 06:47 PM
Jan 2014

I'm going to a potluck on Sunday, and it has been mentioned that someone in the host household is allergic to peanuts. Therefore, I will not make my gado-gado (Indonesian steamed veggies with peanut sauce) for them but will find an alternative. No big deal.

However, if someone with a peanut allergy came to my house and didn't warn me ahead of time, and I made gado-gado as my main dish, it would be unpleasant for both of us.

So someone who has a strong food preference (vegetarian, allergy, celiac disease, keeping kosher) as a opposed to a whim ("I hate mushrooms&quot , it is only fair to the cook to say something ahead of time rather than make a big production number out of refusing the food. If it's only a preference, just choke down whatever is set before you, taking only a small portion if the food is really repulsive to you.

For the record, I find shellfish repulsive. I'm not allergic, I just think they're tasteless and rubbery. But once when I was in high school, we were invited to the home of some friends of my parents, and the main dish was a proudly prepared oyster stew. The glares my parents gave me made it clear that I would have to choke down at least a ladelful of the stuff. So I did, and I have managed to avoid oysters ever since.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
81. A distaste for something is being given the same weight as an allergy.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:26 PM
Jan 2014

And I think people should also decline invites if they have an allergy and the menu will be something they can't eat.


(Or offer to bring a different dish)

Otherwise, politely eat what is put in front of you.

 

FatBuddy

(376 posts)
12. i follow my mom's lead on this:
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 05:05 PM
Jan 2014

"this ain't a fucking restaurant. you eat what i make or you don't eat."

distantearlywarning

(4,475 posts)
14. I am a very adventurous eater
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 05:22 PM
Jan 2014

Will try almost anything once (ok, maybe not roasted insects or something, but almost anything else). I willingly and happily order new things off any restaurant menu and I like it when people cook stuff I haven't had before. Love lots of different kinds of ethnic foods, love spicy foods, seafood, you name it. I don't feel that I am particularly "picky" in any sense of the word. I can count on one hand the list of foods I sincerely don't like.

BUT...

I do NOT like tomatoes. At all, period. I have never liked tomatoes. I can remember rejecting tomato-based dishes as a very small child. I have no idea what they are supposed to taste like to a normal person, but to me, they taste like pulpy drain cleaner, and the smell makes me gag.

At age 39, I feel that life is too short to eat something I dislike that much just to soothe someone else. I have never once asked someone to prepare something special for me instead of a tomato-based dish. I would and have uncomplainingly gone without rather than either eat tomatoes or inconvenience a cook. I can also pick them out of things like salad and do so without a peep. It's my problem, not theirs, and I will take care of it myself, even if that means eating a peanut butter sandwich while others have spaghetti marinara or only having the salad and breadsticks. But I WILL NOT eat them. Period. I don't really give a shit if someone else thinks I'm immature because I think tomatoes taste like drain cleaner. I'm still not going to eat them.

As someone who is a "foodie" and a cook who throws dinner parties, I also typically ask my guests ahead of time if they have dietary restrictions or if there is anything they really hate. If I knew someone really hated the smell of fish, I wouldn't be preparing calamari and sea bass. Are there people who go overboard with their picky nonsense? Sure. I had a vegan to Christmas dinner a few years ago who didn't like vegetables. It was a total PITA to find a single thing she would be willing to put in her mouth, and in the end I wished she'd just stayed home. But that's not the same thing as a normal adult who has a few things they don't like. It's not that hard to work around the kind of minor preferences almost every one of us has. I personally really, really appreciate it when people have me to dinner and DON'T insist on making spaghetti marinara the main course - it makes me feel welcomed and respected. Similarly, I had vegetarian friends for many years, and I learned to make some fantastic vegetarian dishes because I had them over for dinner so many times. Sometimes it was as simple as leaving the meat out of one portion of a dish, or making sure to buy a meatless meat so they could have some protein along with the rest of us. No big deal, and it kept everyone happy. I never thought it was a question of "maturity". Everyone has a few preferences, and that's fine.

UTUSN

(70,674 posts)
15. Yeah, I just threw the "maturity" thing in from thinking certain items, like onions,
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 05:36 PM
Jan 2014

might be icky to kids and become an acquired taste with age?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,661 posts)
20. I hated onions as a kid and I still hate them.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 08:18 PM
Jan 2014

To me, they taste like rotting garbage soaked in industrial solvent. It might be a genetic thing, since my brother feels the same way. They make any food they are in completely inedible. If I am served food with onions in it as a guest in someone's home I'll try to gag some down to be polite (and not make an issue of it) but that's the best I can do.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
53. I hated onions and peppers as a kid
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:55 PM
Jan 2014

now I love them. I mean, I put them in everything! (thankfully my kids love them too, lol)

I also hated cooked green peas and olives.
I still hate cooked green peas and olives.

I've tried to like them. Every so often, I try them again, just to be sure.
Nope. Still hate them.

When someone throws green peas into a dish, I choke it down. When my mom throws green peas into a dish, I pick them out (lol, but she knows better now when I come over).

So, anyway, my point is sometimes people grow out of their dislikes and sometimes they don't. And sometimes it's rude to pick pieces out of your dinner, and sometimes it isn't (like at mom's). Can it indicate a lack of maturity? I'm not sure - if someone has a few dislikes that they've always had, but are adventurous and open to all kinds of other foods, then no. Everyone has some dislikes. But if they make a big production, or talk about how 'disgusting' their dislike is, and they have multiple foods (I'm talking like 10 foods) that they hate and refuse to touch, then yeah, a bit of immaturity there IMO. My ex hated anything healthy. If I made chicken with rosemary, he called rosemary, 'dirt' and refused to eat it. If I made vegetables, he refused to eat them...I'm talking prepared in all different ways, a large variety of vegetables. He preferred foods that, imo, are for kids. And I do think that was a great deal of immaturity with him. I mean, c'mon, you're an adult, I'm not making grilled cheese, kraft dinner, chicken fingers and spaghetti every night of the week.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
60. I hated those as a kid too
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 04:57 PM
Jan 2014

Now my preference for pizza is peppers and onions.


A lot of food dislike in adults has to do with their childhood. We all have foods that our parents forced us to eat as a kid that we never really liked. For example, I had eggs for dinner every single night for about 5 years growing up. The only eggs I will eat as an adult are those used in baking (it takes me months to go through a dozen eggs).

I'm a fairly picky eater, but I know my own restrictions. If I'm invited somewhere, I will ask about the menu and decline if there is nothing on there for me (for example mushrooms gross me out to no extent and I won't eat anything with them in it).

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
30. I want to try roasted insects...
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:36 PM
Jan 2014

Been wanting to try insects for some time now but they are hard to get a hold of.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
19. "you get what you get, and don't get upset"
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 07:12 PM
Jan 2014

This is a mantra for almost all children in elementary schools, and I think it applies here.

I, too, will eat almost anything, though there are a few items that I would prefer not to; as long as there is a broad selection of things to eat, I will find something and probably several things to like. I also am an adventurous eater, though the results of that adventure is that I find a few foods I don't like.

Tomatoes and onions are common to many, many dishes, to entire cuisines. Olives are only slightly less common, says this guy who just snacked on an olive tapenade.

Sanity Claws

(21,846 posts)
21. I had a boyfriend like that
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 08:30 PM
Jan 2014

I hated having him over for a meal because how he used to pick things out of his food with his hand. He had no manners.

At some point, I figured out that his attitude toward food was part of bigger personality trait; it was a glimpse into his entire approach to life. He was afraid of change, of anything different from what he already knew.

I left him. That is no way to live.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
22. Green olives are absolutely disgusting.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 08:48 PM
Jan 2014

I'd pick them out too.

Not liking something because of taste isn't immaturity or a lack of cultivation. It's because it tastes awful.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
44. Have you drunk liquefied pine tree?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jan 2014

I always wonder about these comparisons.

Particularly when they say something tastes like horse piss, it makes me wonder about their life experience a little.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
23. It's a bit rude to my mind.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:00 PM
Jan 2014

Unless you're into cooking really esoteric stuff, guests should pretty much expect to deal with anything you put in front of them. I guess there are some considerations like vegans, religious proscriptions or allergic reactions, but really tomatoes are a pretty common cooking ingredient.

I guess it mostly depends on how they go about eating around the stuff they don't like as well. If they just deal with it without fuss, then fine, more green olives for you. But if it becomes a big deal, then they're being rude.

In my case I don't eat anything that comes out of the water. I just don't like it. But if I'm at somebody's house and they are going to feed me fish, I eat it because they went to the trouble and hell, maybe I'll like it this time. If I run across something I just can't stand to stomach, then I apologize for not eating it.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
26. In my case, I have a very active gag reflex
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:13 PM
Jan 2014

I've been known to upchuck upon eating something that doesn't agree with me.

My mom spent years chastising me for being too picky, but mostly that has changed now that she has become a vegetarian and tries to be gluten free.

I don't ask others to go out of their way for me. I am capable of picking around most things, or bringing my own food as needed.


Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
27. I tend to only invite guests who are omnivores. If you don't like my ingredients
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 09:22 PM
Jan 2014

eat somewhere else. The three day visit with my vegan god-daughter and her husband and kids was a nightmare I have no interest in ever repeating.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
28. Both or neither depending on the situation...
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:32 PM
Jan 2014

Vegetarians who won't eat meat don't count as either in my mind. If you haven't eaten meat for 20 years or so your body will actually physically reject the flavour. My parents get very nauseous if they eat food that has been even cooked in the same pan as a previous very meaty dish.

Many kids have grown up with a sadly limited pallet and for them a lot of things are foreign. For them it's lack of cultivation.

But IMHO people who simply refuse to try new things cause, ugh that could be "icky" , that's just annoying and childish.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
29. Btw I'll great just about anything on the planet once or twice..
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:34 PM
Jan 2014

There aren't that many dishes I dislike and I'll eat ANYTHING once or twice happily. I love trying out new tastes and experiences.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
33. Tomato allergy is called "nightshade allergy".
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 12:58 AM
Jan 2014

Food allergies are serious.

Tomatoes are related to deadly nightshade, from which belladonna or atropine comes from. So are tobacco and eggplants.

I am allergic to tomatoes and bell peppers and shellfish. I figured this out when I ate pizza in high school and it came back up an hour later.

The last time I had some chopped barbecue, the tomatoes in it set me off and I spent two days in bed in agony barely able to crawl to the bathroom because of that firey rear. I read labels because tomatoes are in a lot of foods, like all beef soups.

My grandmother regularly traumatized me at mealtimes by trying to insist that I eat what she fixed. She argued and argued. She cooked bitter greens and other boiled-to-death southern cooking. I wouldn't eat her metallic tasting black eyed peas. She was a home demonstration agent for the State A&M Extension Service for years, and kept lecturing us about the vitamins in foods. We said, "If you boil it to death, there aren't going to be any vitamins in it." That just pissed her off.

She tossed it in a pot and turned it on high because she was always in a hurry. She was a bossy bitch with an overactive thyroid who thought everybody else was lazy because we wouldn't get up at 6:30 am to do all those nonexistent farm chores she insisted had to be done. She was not living on a farm but thought she had to feed farmhands and load up our plates. She loomed over me and shook her finger in my face lecturing me. My mother loomed over me too.

She did her damnedest to make me have an eating disorder. I just said no. They basically said I was a bad person for not eating her crappy cooking. She and my mother tried to get me to eat raw tomatoes, bell peppers(green, yellow or red) and raw onions. Guess what? I can't eat any of those things decades later. I didn't know I had food allergies then. I just knew that I have to avoid a lot of foods and some things I just don't like and can't stand.

I love sautéed onions but raw ones give me an upset stomach.

I have known people who had parents who made them eat everything on their plates. The result? People who are obese and have learned to ignore their body's signals telling them they are full. My mother and grandmother whined constantly about how I didn't eat enough to keep a bird alive and I was going to starve. I didn't.

I refuse to overeat to make someone happy and I had some in-laws I told that to once at a family holiday. They gave me dirty looks when I said "I'm not going to make myself sick just to make you happy."

A couple of times other people have urged me to eat more and I burst into tears, because that is one of my hot buttons.



Anytime hubby cooks anything I am allergic to, I can't stand to be in the kitchen. That includes shellfish & smoked oysters and gumbo, or anything with tomatoes. I can't stand the smell of cooked spinach or asparagus.

I was grown before I found out that raw broccoli was good. I had never had it growing up. I did not have Chinese food until I was a junior in college, because my father refused to go to Chinese restaurants. I did not go to Benihana until I was in my thirties.

I had a mother in law once (2nd one, not the one previously mentioned) who cooked things I literally could not eat because they were greasy and spicy. One bite and I ran to the sink for water and she looked at me like I was some kind of idiot.

Restaurant food has gotten spicier over the decades and I really have to watch what I eat. Famous last words: "No, that's not spicy. It's fine."

That's too bad if someone cannot eat tomatoes, but I understand completely.



UTUSN

(70,674 posts)
34. thanks and sorry. none of my friends have cited this level of trauma or medical reasons.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 01:22 AM
Jan 2014

I really thought they were just picky.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
35. I worked in restaurants for years and to the question "Is that spicy?" I always said
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 09:20 AM
Jan 2014

"That depends. Are you from Ireland or Mexico?"

That usually 'answered' their question.

Butterbean

(1,014 posts)
39. Thank you for this.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:02 AM
Jan 2014

I have food issues, and they haven't got a thing to do with "immaturity." They do, however, have everything to do with the attitudes toward food and eating in my family of origin. Both my sister and I emerged with eating disorders by the age of 13, and neither of us have been able to fully shake it now that we're 40. Our relationship with food has never been normal or healthy, and we have struggled for years in therapy and paid thousands of dollars out of our own pockets and taken tons of medication towards trying to "cure" our problems.

When my children both turned out to have sensory based feeding disorders, my head about exploded. The very LAST thing I wanted was for my children to have the same warped issues with food that I have, and it is still something I struggle with on a daily/hourly basis. My youngest has a feeding disorder that is so intense that he will gag and vomit if you even suggest he eat something he finds mildly distressing. Lest you think he is "manipulating" and resisting only "healthy" food, we had to CONVINCE this child to eat things like ice cream and birthday cake, and work up a tolerance to them in feeding therapy. He never had a bite of his own birthday cake until I think he was 3...maybe 4? I don't remember. He never ate ice cream until he was 5. I'll never forget when a friend's asshole husband said, "oh, he doesn't have a feeding disorder...all you have to do is put it in their mouth and they'll chew it up and swallow it!!" then proceeded to pop a bite of mashed potatoes in my child's mouth before either of us knew what was happening. My child promptly projectile vomited EVERYWHERE and became hysterical. I wanted to clobber that asshole. He gaped at my child and said, "oh..........."

I am very omnivorous and will eat tons of variety. My kids have on many occasions told me my dinner was "pretty" (commenting on the colors of the vegetables), but yet they still cannot eat what I eat. We just got my youngest to LICK a grape without vomiting. A grape. This is a huge victory.

People on the outside rarely get it because they've never lived it, but trust me, it's a special kind of hell. Food is all tied into social and emotional things, especially in this country, and that makes it a million times harder. People get personally offended when you reject their food, as if you are rejecting THEM. It's so hard for people to treat food as fuel, not as comfort or a show of affection or friendship or love or a means of socialization, and that makes having an eating disorder and having 2 kids with feeding disorders even harder, because people take YOUR issues personally and regard them as a personality/parenting flaw. It truly, truly sucks. I would not wish it on anybody.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
36. Having everyone bring a dish works best for us.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 09:36 AM
Jan 2014

That way there is a choice to try new things, or to stick with something you brought yourself
so at least you are not ravenous the entire evening or afternoon.

The host can still do the bulk of the meal, but if the other guests bring other things, it is fun
and gives people other options ... and then no one has to get annoyed.

A good friend of our is Muslim, and she is trying to live up to those diet proscriptions. That's fine
and good, but going out to a restaurant with her became a nightmare. Even after 10 other people
at the table had ordered, she still had not decided. Then, she would quiz the waiter for a good
five minutes on various items, and then she would ask them to make, no kidding, about 5-6 changes
to a dish, adding a lot of ingredients. Then, when the bill came and they had charged extra for
her extra ingredients (not to mention the kitchen's time), she would be outraged. Drove all of
us crazy after a few years of this never-ending situation. Now my husband has kidney disease
and he can't eat out at all ever, so we no longer endure this. I am a patient person myself and
respect other's dietary concerns and choices, but this was ridiculous, as in inconvenienced every
one else at the table.

On edit: her choices as how to order in a restaurant are not the result of being Muslim...
we ate in the same two places all the time... she could have called ahead and/or should
have known the menus by heart at that point, or could have chosen to order something
she was familiar with and was acceptable.

UTUSN

(70,674 posts)
38. Yeah, I've had 60 yrs of experience with an older sister who is perhaps why pickiness is my topic
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:46 AM
Jan 2014

Not stereotyping, just adding her details as possible (stereotypical?) "explanations"? Never married, never dated, schoolteacher from the "spinster" days, would do the tour thing every summer, only to the "pretty" parts of the world, all ideas of the worth of things being conventional.

So travel is always said to broaden one, yet she is totally narrow-minded about all things culinary (among other things). I have no idea what her dietary criteria are, beyond that she does not want to know that any human hands have touched anything. She will not eat in mom and pop restaurants, only in DISNEY-looking chain places on the theory that they must be cleaner (ha). Totally NOT Chinese food. One time there was a group deciding where to go and when somebody brought that up as one option, she immediately said no, and when somebody playfully persisted, she took it to the level of, "If you go Chinese, I will wait in the car."

Some friends of mine actually do own a mom and pop place, and it took a couple of years when she visited to get her to go there comfortably, that is, she would act "forced" and would pick the smallest, most innocuous chicken portion from a grill. That place serves a cup of homemade soup as an appetizer, and the first time she went, after she ordered, when the waiter brought the cup, she freaked loudly, "I DIDN'T ORDER THAT!1 WHAT IS THIS?!1" I said, "You've been all over Europe and you don't know what an appetizer is?!1" Then even a couple of years later, after she spent 20 minutes agonizing over the menu, when the cup of soup arrived, she said, "This is good enough, don't need more than this." I said that it comes with a MEAL ORDER, is not a free in itself item.

As I've said earlier, the people (her and others) I was referring to in the o.p. never ever mentioned allergies or religion, only the one vegan had a clear reason, so I was focused on the pickiness as a social interaction awkwardness.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
40. That really sounds like an eating or OCD type disorder
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:10 AM
Jan 2014

and not something she's doing because she's immature or trying to be annoying.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
85. "Fine. Wait in the car. Just realize that is YOUR choice."
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 07:27 AM
Jan 2014

Chinese restaurants have plenty of choices for timid palates.

LeftinOH

(5,353 posts)
37. Adult picky eaters are annoying. If it's because of an allergy
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:38 AM
Jan 2014

or dietary restrictions, that isn't "picky," but when a grown-up picks bits and pieces out of the food, it's immature. I have eaten things I don't really like when they are served to me.

My grandfather, who grew up dirt-poor and then struggled to raise his own family during the Depression always had a couple of things to say when we grandkids would pick at our food:

"When I was a kid I would have been happy to have that." And also "When you're TRULY hungry, you aren't picky about what you eat." Now I understand what he meant by that.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
41. Cooked dinner recently for gluten-free, vegan guests.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 12:21 PM
Jan 2014

Oh, and I forgot they also have nut allergies.

Without wheat, dairy, eggs, meat, and nuts, it was really tough being cook.

People have gone insane restricting what they put in their mouths. It's all about finding some way to have control over their lives, so they choose to do it with food.

UTUSN

(70,674 posts)
43. Thank you. I appreciate that many replies here have broadened things with legitimate causes
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 12:31 PM
Jan 2014

and tolerance is the name of our Democratic game, but as I've said, none of the people I've referred to here with except the vegan have ever cited medical, dietary, psychological, or religious reasons for their behaviors, and they have been "difficult" in other areas and deficit in showing the tolerance for others that our Repliers here have shown for them. And the sister I described has never been diagnosed with anything, and trust me has been "annoying" to many others and in other topics.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
47. They shouldn't have to go into personal details.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jan 2014

It should be enough to politely decline something, or quietly disregard the things they don't want to put into their mouths.

They shouldn't have to tell you how certain ingredients affect their bowel habits, or that they have an eating disorder, or talk about their struggles with diet, or offer any explanation of psychological issues.

This is pretty simple: Don't pressure people to put things in their mouths that they don't want, don't pressure them for medical histories, and don't take it as a personal insult if they quietly pass on something, whether it's an entire dish, or an ingredient in a dish.

UTUSN

(70,674 posts)
48. Allow me to try again: I brought it up because neither their "politeness" nor my "pressuring" have
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:22 PM
Jan 2014

been factors in this equation that was in my mind when I brought it up.

I brought up that they never gave reasons because so many Replies have been speculations as to the reasons. When this has happened, it has been somebody flaring up out of the blue, not their having warned about what was acceptable to them, not anybody asking them for medical, dietary, bowel, religious, or whatever personal history. Sometimes rudeness is just rudeness.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
49. True, no one should be forced to eat what they don't want to eat
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:25 PM
Jan 2014

but have a little sympathy for the poor cook, who's forced to cater to the whims or needs of everyone at the table. Instead of a standard menu of protein, starch, and veggie, I was forced to cook three different entrees and a whole host of side dishes just to make sure everyone got a properly balanced meal. I never got out of the kitchen all day.

The vegans are the hardest to satisfy, because to my taste (as an omnivore) it's much harder to make a tasty main dish without meat, fish, butter, eggs, or dairy to work with. Throw in a gluten-allergic person, and out goes the egg-free pasta as well. Not all of us are adept at vegan cooking, and it sends me into a panic when I know I have to come up with a menu that satisfies both the vegans and my carnivorous, bean-hating husband.

It's gotten to the point where I simply don't invite vegetarians for dinner.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
51. I understand how it is.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:42 PM
Jan 2014

My sister has been at various times a vegetarian, a raw foods person, a macrobiotic diet only person. My daughter has been vegan for nearly a decade. My husband has acid reflux, so certain things are off the table for him. I've been on and off the low carb thing. I have relatives who have been on no dairy, no pork, etc.

Sometimes I cater in brunch for my coworkers, which is a small group (20 people or so) but includes several vegans, people who can't process white flour, people who are allergic not just to caffeine in their drinks but also in the air (coffee pot can't be in the room they're in), and people with other restrictions as well. It involves some extra planning, and a few more expensive ingredients, like swapping in vegan cream cheese and butter options. Last time a coworker suggested I bring a veggie tray for a breakfast which I thought was ridiculous, but I did it because she's my friend. People were so happy for it! One of the guys who I didn't even know was on a restricted diet said it made his day. They're used to having donuts or bagels and not much else.

I'm actually a lot more sympathetic to these things because of my daughter, and grateful to her for that. If you are close to someone and see them sit through a dinner where they can't eat anything - or can only have lettuce - it makes you see it through their eyes a little better.

Generally though for family gatherings we do the potluck thing. That way nobody's stuck in the kitchen all day and everyone has at least one dish they know they can eat.

Try this for a good vegan option: http://www.theppk.com/2008/10/spicy-peanut-eggplant-and-shallot-stew/ You can make it in a crockpot ahead of time and it's easy to ignore or swap ingredients you dislike or don't have. I leave out the shallots and green beans and any spices I don't have on hand. In my experience, vegans don't generally expect nonvegan friends to do a full service dinner for them, but even just a good bread and vegan spread for it is appreciated.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
55. I love cumin-turmeric-cilantro combos
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:34 PM
Jan 2014

and in fact that's the only way I can make vegan dishes taste like anything worth eating. But the night I cooked for the vegan/gluten-free crowd, many of the dishes seemed to have cumin and turmeric in it, which made it kind of boring.

Luckily most people don't seem to be allergic to rice, so I've learned to rely on tofu pad thai as a standby vegan recipe. (But it doesn't taste the same without the all-important fish sauce.)

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
57. My daughter's a vegan and my husband and I are not so I feel your pain
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 04:30 PM
Jan 2014

While my husband and I will eat mostly vegetarian with her I've learned some easy tricks that don't tie you to the kitchen for the day. Suffice it to say I always have vegan staples on hand: peanut butter and jelly, hummus, vegan spread (like butter), green salad, fruit, beans, salsa and chips, almond milk etc so if someone's picky they can make their own!

1. Spaghetti with marinara sauce. Use gluten free pasta and cook the meatballs separately
2. Stir fry. Take out the vegans portion then add in the fish or meat.
3. Indian Korma is easy to make. Any curry dish can be made vegan then add the meat on the side
4. Boca burgers for the vegan. Regular burgers or salmon burgers for the rest
5. I'm in love with Boca crumbles. I use them in vegan sloppy Joe - one small pot for my daughter with the portion of seasoning that dish needs, the other pot with ground beef and the rest of the seasoning.
6. Build your own burrito or fajitas. Lots of ingredients in bowls that everyone constructs to their taste.

I could go on and on. I was pretty aggravated when my daughter decided to go vegan. I was intimidated by my lack of knowledge. Now 3 years into this I don't sweat it anymore. Modify as you can. If they don't/ won't eat it in my experience most vegans are happy to rummage and make their own without putting the host out.

I'd love your tofu pad Thai recipe! If you're willing to share. ..

mainer

(12,022 posts)
58. tofu pad thai
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jan 2014

I like this version, but I modify it by crisp-frying the tofu ahead of time (dip cubes of firm tofu in flour/cornstarch mixture and fry till crispy. Add right at the end so it stays crunchy.) And instead of tamarind (which I can never find in my local store) I use red wine vinegar. Also nice to add some shredded carrots for color.

But ... it tastes better with fish sauce!


http://thaifood.about.com/od/vegetarianthairecipes/r/padthaiveg.htm

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
66. But the caffeine is not in the aroma
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 07:31 PM
Jan 2014

unless it's the actual coffee bean that the person is sensitive to.

I've known people who were so sensitive to caffeine that they couldn't even eat a bit of chocolate or even decaf coffee, because it would make them jittery, but not being able to be in the same room with a coffee pot, mmmh, I don't know.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
72. Maybe it was coffee beans, not just caffeine.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 08:46 PM
Jan 2014

I didn't require a doctor's note or anything, I just took her at her word that the coffee pot needs to be in another room. It was a pretty minor thing to accommodate and knowing how cigarette smells affect me, I get that moving the coffee pot is less drama than her suffering the consequences.

I try to just keep a sense of humor about it all, sometimes it can feel like juggling plates to keep scanning through the mental list: is the coffee moved? Did I grind it ahead of time? do I have gluten free options? Do I have vegan options? Once you get in the swing of it though, it's kind of fun - it pushes me to learn new recipes and develop new taste palettes of my own.

The only recipe I got pushed into that I hated was during my daughter's vegan no sugar stage, when she made savory oatmeal with broccoli. On their own, I love both those things. But together, NONONONONO!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
71. Suggestion, for the gluten free folks
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 08:16 PM
Jan 2014

Use quinoa based pasta. Non will be wiser, and it is gluten free (did I mention a full protein).

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
42. Wonder what some of these picky people would do...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 12:28 PM
Jan 2014

In a real crisis situation, like another Depression, or limited food supplies due to a widespread natural disaster or outbreak of a new disease? I wonder what percentage of them would starve to death?

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
46. Wow.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 01:59 PM
Jan 2014

People have some crazy ideas about hosting company: "If you had to choose between eating my food or dying, would you choose my food? Then I EXPECT YOU TO EAT IT NOW WITH A SMILE, ASSHOLE! Please enjoy."

What's the big deal about letting company eat what they'd enjoy, and pass on the rest? Do you really want people choking down food they find revolting just to please you? That's bizarre.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
56. You completely dodged my question.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:49 PM
Jan 2014

Once again, what would happen in a crisis situation? Suppose the only thing that people had to eat for extended periods was Government provided MREs (Meals Ready to Eat)?

And as hard as it might be for you to believe, the Great Depression was real. People ate whatever food they could get to eat. My parents grew up during the Great Depression and the stories they told me were pretty damn harrowing. Have you every looked at photographs or film of men being inducted into the military in WWII? Notice how many men are so damned skinny their ribs are showing? There is a reason for that.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
62. Hey, if it was a crisis situation
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 06:07 PM
Jan 2014

I would eat the person next to me if they died and I was starving.

I don't think that's relevant to what I would expect guests to do at a dinner party.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
54. If you are planning on pleasing a GROUP, don't use the following ingredients:
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:59 PM
Jan 2014

Mushrooms
Lima Beans
Spinach
Liver


These seem to be the most hated foods in my experience.

Also, green peppers turn off a lot of people, as does an excessive use of CILANTRO..

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
59. I love Liver.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 04:49 PM
Jan 2014

Calf Liver, or Chicken Liver. I love Chicken Gizzards, too. Good way to freak some people out telling them you like Liver.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
67. I think both.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 07:38 PM
Jan 2014

To me, being overly picky (that's not related to an allergy or legitimate physical reason), is indicative of a lack of cultivation.

The same thing for people who refuse to leave the US for travel, who could otherwise afford to. It is a provincial and conservative mindset.

But I also think people are capable of expanding their world view in all of these areas. Exposure is the key.

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
70. One of the perks of being grown up is no longer being forced to eat foods one doesn't like,
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 08:12 PM
Jan 2014

or clean your plate, etc... adults should be able to eat in peace without ridicule or guilt. When we invite guests into our homes, it's our duty to be good hosts. I think it's perfectly acceptable to inquire as to preferences.

UTUSN

(70,674 posts)
73. Except for the sister, nobody was forced, criticized, ridiculed, or guilted
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 08:53 PM
Jan 2014

The handful of incidents I experienced it was the guests who created the scenes in a surprise outburst way, which is what I've really been talking about. I should have learned after the first or even second time to perform an interview with potential guests about what ingredients might be unacceptable. Instead, the way these visits have developed, it started with casual conversations about pleasant meals, usually childhood and holiday memories, rolling over into family recipes all blah blah about how nostalgic and delicious things were, without going into the actual ingredients. Eventually, this became a proposal, like, hey why don't we get together over this meal, blah blah. Then finally at the meal the guest SPRINGS the surprise abhorrence of whatever ingredients.

Apparently, again except for the sister, these appear to have been people I didn't know that well, neither about their medical/dietary/religious conditions NOR of their lack of consideration and courtesy. Believe me, my intention was to be a good host.

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
86. For sure you were put on the spot and just like it's our duty to be good hosts,
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 09:14 AM
Jan 2014

guests should be gracious. Maybe common courtesy and etiquette have become antiquated, I don't know. I do know I'm the only person who brings a hostess gift or writes out 'Thank you' cards anymore.

You did your best, and I hope you don't less this experience bug you too much.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
76. People invited to dinner expecting whims to be catered to? bullshit.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:04 PM
Jan 2014

These spoiled, damn, over-grown children expecting to have a raw-food version....a vegan version...a gluten-free version made by a stressed host/hostess is utter bullshit.

If you have dietary preferences, inform the host/hostess that you would like to bring a complimentary main-dish.

My daughter was a vegetarian when she went to Tanzania. I sat her down and said meat protein is very huge there. Don't you dare insult these people by refusing a meal.

I will eat what is served to me with little exception.

It is the epitome of spoiled brat to expect that a party menu be altered for you.



 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
77. Well I guess you would not mind
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 10:57 PM
Jan 2014

landing a guest of yours in the ER.

Suffice it to say, if there is nothing I can eat, due to a very serious and REAL gluten Allergy, I will bring my food bar out, that is SAFE and munch away. I will not accept an invitation ever again either.

It is not spoiled. I do not feel like ending at the local emergency room. This is possible with a severe gluten allergy.

So do me a favor, never invite me, I won't bother. OTOH if you happen to have a dietary restriction, and you do let me know, I will do all I can to acomodate you.

I guess you would serve shrimp and feel insulted if somebody refused to eat them, due to allergies too.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
78. I am not talking about allergies.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:04 PM
Jan 2014

I am talking about adult spoiled fucking brats.

Decline the invitation if I invite you to an oyster roast or pasta dinner. If you have allergies.

Do not demand I alter a menu to suit your childish fickleness and fetishes.

Not just no. HELL NO!

Spoiled....bullshit.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
79. Yup, will not accept an invitation from you
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:08 PM
Jan 2014

given that altering a menu is not that hard, for people who have allergies.

As far as the pasta dinner, they do make gluten free pasta, made out of quinoa, easy peachy.

But it is not being spoiled. An allergy is real.

So let's save this, do not ever invite me to any meal you prepare. I will save it for you, I will not accept.

I will say this though, if the shoe happened to be on the other foot, a nice rice dish, or quinoa, or for that matter quinoa pasta would be good and safe.

I am not being childish, neither are those people with real, life threatening allergies. It is not being childish. And from your comment, I am convinced, you would send somebody to the hospital. Truly sad.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
80. Do not accept a dinner to an oyster roast if you are allergic...or
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:17 PM
Jan 2014

Think oysters are icky.

Or bring an alternate dish if you want.

How many alterations should a host/hostess be expected to make?

If you have a food allergy? And I announced the menu. That is YOUR responsibility.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
82. My mom used to accomodate people regularly
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:26 PM
Jan 2014

As she put it. It is a pleasure to have people over for dinner. To have them have a good time is the main goal. And if that means making a meal that everybody in the guest list can enjoy, why not? So if that means no Pasta marinara (or gluten free pasta marinara) go for it.

So yes, food was made that was safe for all who came to visit.

These days, she still does, when she rarely invites people. She's no longer a spring chicken. But then again, in her mind that was part of being a good hostess. And if there was something never lacking was a full table with happy guests, and food, lots of it.

I learned well from my mother.

If I learned that people are allergic to clams, I will not serve clams. If I learn they are gluten free, my menu will not have gluten. If they are allergic to peanuts, like my nephew, no peanuts, and trust me, my peanut based curry is to die for, but I do not want to have that be a literal experience.

It's easy, if there is a will, there is a way.

But hey, whatever trips your trigger I s'pose. And if somebody happens to be on a heart healthy diet, I will gladly oblige. But hey, I was brought up with a different mentality I suppose.

I will say it again, do not invite me, because I will not go. I have real life food allergies, and dietary restrictions. I do not want to end my meal at the local Emergency Room, or worst, six feet under.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
83. Being offended by people with food allergies is not being hospitable.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:18 AM
Jan 2014

It's being a control freak.

"If you don't eat my food, you don't love me and you are a bad person" is quite common in families and it's pretty sick. I got shamed for my eating pickiness and my allergies, although I didn't know they were allergies at the time.

I have seen the "supertaster" concept, and I think it applies to me. Supertasters can tell the diff between sugar and saccharine. Other people can't. The grandmother kept saying "It tastes just like sugar! It tastes just like sugar!" when they made me put liquid saccharin in my tea, and I kept saying "No it's not! No it's not!" because it was bitter to me. Just the kind of mindfuck I needed, where the parents tell me that my perceptions are WRONG WRONG WRONG.


I remember going to a group meeting where after the meeting, they went to a Thai restaurant and I could not eat spicy food. They refused to change this and eat someplace else. They met regularly. So I started bringing a burger and fries to the meeting and eating there.


Then there was the time I went to a Thai restaurant with a group of people and I told them woman next to me I couldn't eat spicy things.

She asked, "Do you have a physical reaction?"
I said, "Yeah. I THROW UP."
She turned away with a disgusted look on her face.


I don't know what she was expecting me to say.



 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
84. You know I can taste the bitter taste of saccharine too
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:39 AM
Jan 2014

Stevia has it a tad, but far more tolerable. I love Thai food, but would be willing to do In and Out burger (just protein style for me thank you). Though not BK. They will not accommodate that. In and Out does.

These days my absolutely will make me sick is gluten. I had some by accident on the 31st, my stomach is still not fully back. We worked the car show yesterday. My stomach was painful the whole time.

But I guess you are right, it's about control.

I know that I will not eat a thing if I go visit my niece. At the wedding they would not do a simple request for that. Her dad is a specialist, you'd think he'd know better. So when we go to visit, I will risk a restaurant.

UTUSN

(70,674 posts)
87. "I am not talking about allergies." Thanks for getting & sticking to the point of all this.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 10:43 AM
Jan 2014

The handful of people I've been talking about never warned of any problems ahead of time. They sprung their tastes at the moment of presentation and they were not polite about it and showed no consideration for anybody else. I guess the only thing to say would have been, "Omz, then, we'll have to leave this and go eat out because this is all there is." O.K., I think this horse is dead, maybe ready for a recipe, haha.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
88. Was there something you left out of the OP?
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 11:30 AM
Jan 2014

Last edited Fri Jan 3, 2014, 01:22 PM - Edit history (1)

I saw two descriptions of people setting aside the parts they don't want to eat.

Here, you describe it entirely differently, making it sound like they each said something rude about the food, talked about how much they hated your food, or tried to ruin it for other people in some other way.

I'm wondering if your perception was that a vegetarian eating only the vegetarian parts of a meal was by itself rude and inconsiderate - or if they were off on a anti-meat eating lecture, which indeed would be rude for a guest.

UTUSN

(70,674 posts)
91. Once again (multiple times), they gave NO clue ahead of time of anything.
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 11:53 AM
Jan 2014

The key word in the o.p. was "picky" which has NO context of medical/dietary/religious or any other reasonable grounds for objection.

As the discussion developed, with lots of offerings of REASONABLE reasons for the behaviors, I had to ADD details that were discounting the REASONABLE speculations. It was all about "I hate tomatoes but love ketchup, isn't that CUTE?!1" As I've said a few times, I'm talking about a handful of people I encountered in real life who were NOT POLITE, were INCONSIDERATE of anybody else, there was NOTHING ELSE available, and they gave NO warning ahead of time.

No, my "perception" had nothing to do with vegetarians. The one vegetarian I mentioned did not tell me ahead of time about being a vegetarian and the picking out the meat was an uncomfortable and THAT was what I was reacting to.

If I need to ADD more description of the rudeness that I didn't think needed to be added originally, one person SPIT OUT something upon realizing there was onion in it.

O.K., I'm done. Please stop bringing up vegetarianism, allergies, and anything else beyond the pickiness. Thanks.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
92. Some people have extreme tastebuds - aka SuperTasters
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 02:04 PM
Jan 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supertaster

It is an actual issue although some people may not realize it. For me there are certain flavors that if they are in the food that's all I taste and nothing else. I do NOT like pickles in my food and if there are onions in the food that's all I taste and nothing else.

UTUSN

(70,674 posts)
93. Fine, so the handful of people I was talking about should be up front whenever food events
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 03:24 PM
Jan 2014

are proposed, or, if the food is presented to them without a pre-interview, POLITELY demur. The ones I've talked about reacted to specific ingredients, NOT to my cooking or my "food" as somebody said, and reacted badly. I guess I was talking about HOW these few expressed their dislikes-- without warning, only at the level of I-hate-one-ingredient, and without caring how their behavior (not their dislike) affected others.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
94. I completely understand your frustration
Fri Jan 3, 2014, 04:41 PM
Jan 2014

Honestly, sometimes I feel like a freak and feel uncomfortable going to private parties because of my issues with food. I really don't feel like I need to give the cook a rundown on every single food I will and will not eat but there have been times I refused food and suddenly I'm on the spot as to why I won't eat something. I reject something and suddenly I'm made to feel bad because I won't taste it or I'm just being babyish or a dozen other comments that make me feel bad. It can be a no-win situation sometimes and I feel at lost of control in those types of situations. If your friend is defensive about food my guess is in the past he/she was probably embarrassed about her eating habits and the defense mechanism just naturally trips when it comes to food. Trust me, I've done that myself and I'm trying to be better about it.

I know that for most people they won't do it but trust me, we 'fussy eaters' have been in that situation where we are embarrassed to tears simply because we refused a certain dish at a party. Anymore it's just easier going to restaurants where there's a menu and I can control the food that is given to me.

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