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Happy Hour with Will Shakespeare. Ask us anything. (Original Post) Aristus Feb 2014 OP
To be or not to be? MrMickeysMom Feb 2014 #1
Will says: "To be. Assuredly. Aristus Feb 2014 #3
Wow! MrMickeysMom Feb 2014 #4
Will says: "Why then, rejoice therefor! Aristus Feb 2014 #6
Will March enter as a lion or a lamb? In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #2
Will says: "We shall see, shan't we, love? Aristus Feb 2014 #5
Will's in his cups already? pinboy3niner Feb 2014 #7
"O! Thou could'st teach the stars to shine!" Aristus Feb 2014 #10
That he is ... In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #9
"Dearest love! Sweetest sunshine! Aristus Feb 2014 #20
Alas, my dear Aristus and my dear Will... CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2014 #8
" Pegeen, lass! Oceans of love, Angel mine! Aristus Feb 2014 #12
What does Will recommend drinking tonight? struggle4progress Feb 2014 #11
Dry sack and sugar, sweet lad! Aristus Feb 2014 #14
I heard that's what killed Yorick pinboy3niner Feb 2014 #16
"Moderation, lad. Moderation. Aristus Feb 2014 #18
It is not for me, a simple peasant, to ask... madinmaryland Feb 2014 #13
"If thou wilt deny us thy company at table, lad, Aristus Feb 2014 #15
Did the groundhog thaw out yet? Paulie Feb 2014 #17
Will just nudged me and whispered: Aristus Feb 2014 #19
What is thy crest? A cock's comb? rocktivity Feb 2014 #21
"Indeed! Aristus Feb 2014 #24
Hast thou an explanation? Lionel Mandrake Feb 2014 #22
Chaucer is classified as Middle English by linguists. Aristus Feb 2014 #23
I'm sure you're right, Lionel Mandrake Feb 2014 #25
It may have more to do with the move Henry VIII made Aristus Feb 2014 #26
The move from Latin to the vernacular, especially in print, must have played a role. Lionel Mandrake Feb 2014 #36
Is the groundhog going to see his shadow next year? nt Incitatus Feb 2014 #27
Not a clue. Aristus Feb 2014 #28
Happy Valentine's Day Aristus Crewleader Feb 2014 #29
And to you, Crewleader! Aristus Feb 2014 #30
But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? Rowdyboy Feb 2014 #31
Juliet. To which Romeo compares the dawn, and the rising sun. Aristus Feb 2014 #32
I memorized most of the scene for extra credit in high school....Used to quote it when I had Rowdyboy Feb 2014 #34
2 questions orleans Feb 2014 #33
1. Aristus Feb 2014 #35
maybe he wrote his epitaph around the same time as "shall i die?" then orleans Feb 2014 #37

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
3. Will says: "To be. Assuredly.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 09:28 PM
Feb 2014

Self-murder is against The Book, and the Holy English Church, and all reason as well. God's Wounds! Hamlet would ne'er have seen Claudius to the nether regions if he had done himself in, yes?"

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
6. Will says: "Why then, rejoice therefor!
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 09:35 PM
Feb 2014

No world but this, sweetest, loveliest Mother of Michael as ye be"

Uh-oh. Now you've got him going...

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
5. Will says: "We shall see, shan't we, love?
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 09:32 PM
Feb 2014

Shall I compare thee to a summer's day? Thou art more temperate, and more fair..."

You'll have to forgive Wiil. He's well on his way already...

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
20. "Dearest love! Sweetest sunshine!
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 10:14 PM
Feb 2014

Angel that treads the muddy Earth in defile of man's mortality!

A kiss! Your holiest kiss I beg!"

Whew! He's gone around he bend!...

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,526 posts)
8. Alas, my dear Aristus and my dear Will...
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 09:43 PM
Feb 2014

I can't think of any questions.

I'm just glad to see you both tonight!

It's always more interesting when you're here...

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
12. " Pegeen, lass! Oceans of love, Angel mine!
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 09:49 PM
Feb 2014

A drink for Mistress Margaret! I'th name o' the Great Equivocator! (God burn his bum...)"

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
18. "Moderation, lad. Moderation.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 10:03 PM
Feb 2014

Yorick were the sweetest love of Hamlet's youth, he were. Drank himself into an untimely grave, he did. Go to!"

That's a laugh. Even as we speak, Will is drinking like it's going out of style...

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
19. Will just nudged me and whispered:
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 10:06 PM
Feb 2014

"S'wounds, mate! Know you his meaning?"

Okay. YOU try explaining Groundhog Day to him...

Go on...

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
22. Hast thou an explanation?
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 10:16 PM
Feb 2014

We read Shakespeare with just a footnote here and there to compensate for how English has changed over a span of four centuries. Why is Chaucer's language, a mere two centuries older, so much harder that we need a translation?

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
23. Chaucer is classified as Middle English by linguists.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 10:25 PM
Feb 2014

When he was writing, Old English, or Anglo-Saxon, had been influenced by Norman French for only a couple of centuries.

By Shakespeare's time, Anglo-Saxon had been almost completely subsumed by Norman-influenced Modern English.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
25. I'm sure you're right,
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 10:53 PM
Feb 2014

but there's still an enigma.

We call Chaucer's language Middle English and Shakespeare's Early Modern English, because the changes over the last four centuries are minor compared to the changes over the preceding two centuries. But why?

Is it possible that Shakespeare, King James's translation team, and Gutenberg all had something to do with this phenomenon?

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
26. It may have more to do with the move Henry VIII made
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 11:08 PM
Feb 2014

instituting a policy that court doings would be recorded in English, rather than Latin, allowing Engish vernacular to be put down on paper for posterity for the first time.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
36. The move from Latin to the vernacular, especially in print, must have played a role.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 12:20 AM
Feb 2014

The same thing was happening in other countries and probably influenced the history of other modern European languages. Luther, for example, translated the Bible into German. A bit later, Galileo wrote the book that got him into trouble in the vernacular, whereas he had previously written in Latin.

Ironically enough, Henry VIII, who had been called the "defender of the faith", broke with Rome; this led to development of liturgy in English and created a market for English translations of the Bible. But without Gutenberg's invention of printing with movable type, these books in English would not have affected the language as much as they did.

History sure is complicated!

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
32. Juliet. To which Romeo compares the dawn, and the rising sun.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 12:07 AM
Feb 2014

And also the moon, because why not? He's horny, and he wants to get under her dress. Overwrought love-talk will do...

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
34. I memorized most of the scene for extra credit in high school....Used to quote it when I had
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 12:13 AM
Feb 2014

too much to drink. Thankfully for all concerned, I quit drinking.....

orleans

(34,042 posts)
33. 2 questions
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 12:07 AM
Feb 2014

1. how do you feel about elliott sweet whose epitaph reads:
"Founder And Guiding Spirit, Shakespeare Authorship Roundtable, An Organization Dedicated To Unbiased Inquiry Into The True Identity Of The Author Of The Plays And Poems Generally Attributed To The Actor William Shakespeare.

2. and why, if such a great writer, did your own epitaph--written by you-- suck so bad?
"Good Friend, For Jesus’ Sake Forbear, To Dig The Dust Enclosed Here, Blest Be The Man That Spares These Stones, And Curst Be He That Moves My Bones"

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
35. 1.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 12:18 AM
Feb 2014

Only fools and idiots debate the 'authorship question'. The plays of William Shakespeare were written by William Shakespeare. Those who cite the scarcity of evidence that he wrote them tend to overlook the fact that there is no evidence to support their own preferred candidate, whoever it might be.

2. There's also no evidence that Will wrote his own epitaph, although it is assumed that he did, since his epitaph is in verse, and it rhymes. And if you think Shakespeare never had a bad day with the pen, then I suggest you read the poem "Shall I Die?", thought by most scholars to be an early poem by the Bard. It's pretty bad; amateurish, even.

orleans

(34,042 posts)
37. maybe he wrote his epitaph around the same time as "shall i die?" then
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 02:43 AM
Feb 2014

i never heard of this elliott sweet's group (or anyone questioning shakespeare's writings) until lately when i came across sweet's epitaph just by chance. thought it was rather interesting tho. not that i had any doubts (until i came across shakespeare's epitaph! lol)

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