Auuughh! If you don't think plagiarism is a problem, then I am your problem!

[ashling]

Grading critical thinking papers and I have almost made this comment several times.

I have successfully avoided such an untactful comment,

but I did put this comment on one paper:

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Comments:

CITATION, CITATION, CITATION!
Your bibliography is incomplete as I find nothing in those articles about the Presdio situation you write about. At any rate, you have not included any citation within the text of your paper. NONE!

Have you read the information on citation in the course information section? Citation should be placed within the text of the paper at the point that a source is used to introduce factual or other information that you obtained from that source.

ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS cite quotations.
A final bibliography is NOT sufficient.

Then, after not citing a single source within the text, you have titled your bibliography page “Works Cited.”

Don’t tell me you have cited sources when you haven’t!

Not attributing work that you have used is, simply put, plagiarism

You have the option of re-wrtiting this paper with the assistance of the writing center on campus or accepting a zero. Have the advisor there initial these comments. You have until Friday 1/21.

-O-

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somebody talk me down!

[Tobin S.]

1. I'm a senior in college.

All of my professors have had a similar policy regarding plagiarism. I think the whole school does actually. They do not tolerate it and it can result in dismissal from the class. Several of my professors have used Turnitin.com to ensure originality of students' work.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

2. Please, tell me that it is all in Red as it appears above because

that is beautiful

[ashling]

3. Yes it is

I don't think most of these kids intend to plagiarize, they just don't know what they are doing, so I give them a 0 and a chance to do it over. If they do it a second time I will not give them the chance to do it over again. If it is egregious I send it to the Dean. I have not yet removed anyone from my class, but I will if necessary =.

After I finish with them they usually prefer to drop.


I had a student who sent me an email (its online) asking me if one of the questions on the test had been a trick question. I replied saying that I resent the implication that a question that requires critical thinking to discern nuance is a "trick."

His reply was to drop the class.

[Jenoch]

4. Are end notes followed by a bibliography ok?

That's how I did my college papers. Of course, this was in the pre-WWW days.

[ashling]

5. That's fine

end notes are citation The end note is may or may not contain more information that didn't fit into the text. It will always give an abbreviated name for the source. Different styles require different types of abbreviation.

MLA and some others call for a parenthetical in the text. It is actually easier, but I came to the conc.usion that it was making some students somewhat . . . lax (as in ex-lax) So this semester I am requiring that they use Turabian. Its still easy because of all the citation builders online. I even linked to one on the class page.

One of my pet peeves is when they don't cite at all. This is bad enough, but then when the title their bib page, "Works cited", well that just pisses me off.

By labeling the page Works Cited, you are saying, " this is the detailed info and/or web address for works that I have cited
in the paper.

BUT YOU DIDN'T CITE ANY F*****G THING IN YOUR PAPER!!!
SO YOU ARE LYING TO ME!!!
If you don't cite properly, that's one thing, but
DON"T F*****G LIE TO ME!!!

(sorry for the rant)

I have some that do it right, cover page, beautifully formatted, footnotes, detailed bibliography - a thing of beauty

And then there are a number that either just don't get it, or they don't care.
If they don't get it, sometimes they need a little shaking up . . .

thus the zero and a chance to do it over.

The ones that don't care . . . well, that's another matter - one the Dean can deal with.

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Adequate citation is a matter of respect.

1) You should respect the author of your source material
and their work product enough to give proper attribution.
Not doing so is theft.

2) You should respect your reader and give them the opportunity to go to the source and see for themselves.

A perfect example is using a quotation which you have edited. Your editing (properly indicated by elipses) obviously leaves
something out. Your reader should be able, if they so desire, to go directly to the source to see what you left out.
Sometimes what you edited out says a lot more than what you left in.

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again, please excuse the rant - I get a little wound up about this.

[Jenoch]

6. I was a college student in the early and mid 1980s.

That was the beginning of computer use for word processing. The first week of school, I bought a poratable electric typewriter. Heck, I had peoole borrowing it from me. I tell my kids this and they look at me like I was from the previous century.

Nobody had their own computer unless it was a Commodore 64 which was mostly useless. I would type my papers, edit, and then re-type on an Apple 2C and later 2E at the computer lab.

It was important to save to floppy every paragraph or so, because you never knew when somebody was going to trip over the power cord. If you wanted the paper printed better than dot matrix, which a lot of old professors did not like, there was one Apple 2c (2-E?) that was connected to an electronic typewriter with a daisy wheel printer that would auto type the paper.

I'm so old that at my first job out of college they had three Apple Lisa Computers.

[ashling]

7. I graduaten high school in 1970

My grandmother gave me a portable electric typewriter.

I also took to college the typewriter that my father used to type his MA thesis . . .

a portable Royal circa 1935.

As I recall we used Chicago Style back then . . .I hated footnotes . . . what I hated about them was not citing the information, but figuring out which page to use (I'm sure you recall) they had to go the the bottom of the page.

I went to graduate school in history and education in the 90s (after life as an attorney for too many years)

I had a course on writing history and basically had to learn Turabian from her book. . . which is about 2 inches thick

I had a really fast computer (HP 286) and used GeoWorks.

I remember writing my paper on the decline of populism. It had a bibliography which was about 3 pages. I used end notes - seill had no capacity to gave my computer format footnotes, etc.

I had the whole thing finished about 3 AM of the say it was due (It was due 8AM) Everything was perfect except one source was out of alphabetical order. Fortunately with GeoWorks I could simply highlight it and move its into the proper place and then it would be perfect!

I highlighted it and did whatever I was supposed to do and . . .

the whole thing disappeared.

Panic ensued

Well, actually, "panic" is not even close.

I tried to get it back . . called tech support . . . prayed . . .screamed . . .and finally got back an early version that I had saved .

I spent the rest of the time reconstructing the whole thing from stacks of books all around me. Fortunately I had marked most of the pertinent parts of the source books.

I took it to my professor's workplace in Wash Dc at noon. He worked for the NEH.

[Chan790]

10. Not that I disagree with you on anything here.

I just wanted to point out this may be generational. They drilled "Work Cited is exactly the same as Bibliography" in to our heads from 5th grade on and it's not.

It's just fucking not.

When years of pedagogical professionals have misinformed you into thinking "Bibliography" and "Works Cited" are synonyms, you tend to use them interchangeably.

[davidpdx]

8. Doctoral candidate and teacher here

I know how you feel. I taught in China and plagiarism bad. Sometimes entire papers. I would just use Google and find the actual paper, write 0 on it and throw it in a pile.

As a doctoral candidate I know how hard it is to write a scholarly paper while adhering to all the rules. It is painful at times.

[Rhiannon12866]

9. Oh boy! I practically broke out into a sweat just reading that...

I never plagiarized anything, but I remember all the work that went into writing those papers! And I was a Psych major, English minor, so I had to write a whole lot of them...