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(9,719 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)There's no reason why grammar can't be taught, and cartoons like these would be perfect!
On a boring and serious note, I'm one of the grammar mavens out there, and I would dearly love to find a college level English grammar class. Yeah, I'm strange that way. Every so often I find myself puzzling over some one of the finer points of English grammar, and I long to have a very rigorous class in that stuff.
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Jenoch
(7,720 posts)but I seem to recall that you used to live in Cambridge (please correct me if I am wrong). You're lucky you were not there last week when they got about 20" of snow. (Slap me if you already knew this.)
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Now I'm freezing my ass off in Connecticut.
Leith
(7,808 posts)Knowing grammar is the difference between "knowing your shit" and "knowing you're shit."
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)I don't know if this is about grammar, but I have been puzzled for years about a commonly used set of words. My confusion involves the word 'consecutive' as in 'second consecutive' or 'third consecutive' championship, usually about athletics.
I can understand if the words were 'second, consecutive championship'. But winning two championships in a row are not two consecutive championships. The first one cannot be a consecutive. After the second championship, it can be referred to as conse utive championships, but not TWO or SECOND conse utive championships.
I feel like I have been put into a round room and told to piss in the corner.
I've always taken "second consecutive" to mean "second in a row."
And I've always taken it to be kind of silly as well, if grammatically accurate. Two things in a row are not particularly unusual. Call me when it's three and we'll talk.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)I consider 'second' to mean something after first, or something happening for a second time. To me second consecutive has to be at least three events and not two. A single event is not, by definition, consecutive. Thus an event happening for a second AND consecutive time has to have occurred more than twice without interruption.
bvf
(6,604 posts)as referring strictly to a *sequence* of things might help here, since its meaning is "occurring in a row."
As you say, no single instance of anything can be referred to as "consecutive," so rather than say "second consecutive championship," say "two consecutive championships." The adjective modifies neither championship by itself, but only the two (or more) taken together.
To say "second (or third, fourth, etc.) consecutive . . . " is to misuse the word.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,321 posts)to the newish sports term "three-peat".
Although, as a Lions fan, I'd settle for "one consecutive", or "one-peat".
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)However "third consecutive" means at least four in a row and that is a tall order.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)It's not just that the last time the Cubbies won the World Series was 1908. The last time the Cubs were even in the World Series was 1945.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)demigoddess
(6,640 posts)two consecutive or three consecutive not second or third. makes all the difference. I also am a grammar nazi.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)Neighbor vs. neighbour
Neighbor is preferred in American English, and neighbour is preferred in all the other main varieties of English. The words are the same in every other respect. The spelling difference extends to derivative words such as neighborhood/neighbourhood, neighborly/neighbourly, neighbored/neighboured, and neighboring/neighbouring.
Examples
U.S.
Its neighbor vs. neighbor on rural Ritchie Highway [Baltimore Sun]
In summer, the rink area is a sprawling lawn, neighbored by restaurants and chess players. [LA Times]
The two neighborhoods have begun organizing a Marco Polo Day and an East Meets West Christmas Parade. [NY Times]
Outside the U.S.
Revitalizing historic neighbourhoods reduces the need to develop new land and costly new municipal infrastructure, a key objective of smart growth. [The Star Phoenix (Canada)]
A military crane parked in an Oxford street has attracted a barrage of criticism from angry neighbours. [Oxford Mail]
After helping ferry his neighbours children to safety, he returned to find a group of teenagers inside another house. [Brisbane Times]
MADem
(135,425 posts)Don't forget the Z v. S battles:
Apologize/apologise, analyze/analyse, organize, organise!
And then there's the -er v. -re crowd:
Centre/center, litre/liter, and my favorite, theatre/theater!
I still mix it up on occasion owing to an education that spanned the globe.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)I have written for British audiences, so I use British spelling there. For an American audience, American spelling.
I use the appropriate spelling for proper names, no matter what the audience. Thus, the main opposition party in the British Parliament is the Labour Party. In December 1941, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.
Incidentally, if you want to blame anyone for English spelling, blame Dr Samuel Johnson. If you wanted to use his dictionary, you had to use his spelling. Before then, you could spell things as you wished. (When I was an undergraduate, I was doing some research in 16th century Anglo-Scots relations. As part of that, I had to read a number of documents written by an official in Scotland who clearly spelt things the way he said them. The only way I could decipher them was to read them aloud in a Scots accent.)
My father used to say that there are no rules in English spelling or grammar, merely conventions.
MADem
(135,425 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)needledriver
(836 posts)I before E, except after C, or when sounded as A, as in neighbor and weigh.
If you are going to post about words that break the I before E rule, don't use one of the examples in the rule!!!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)Doc_Technical
(3,521 posts)what a weird society.
Brainstormy
(2,380 posts)Callmecrazy
(3,065 posts)There are always exceptions to the rule, and they are usually republican. Because they are so special.
demigoddess
(6,640 posts)is when they use less when they should be saying fewer
should be : fewer days, less time, fewer votes, less support.
fewer is for numbers, separate things, less is for a quantity not defined by numbers.
they are now doing it on the news, commercials and in writing. That can't be a slip of the tongue!
ashling
(25,771 posts)DRIVES ME NUTS!
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)rickyhall
(4,889 posts)Like "Those people that talk funny" or "Those people who talk funny." I thought "that" was for inanimate objects whereas "who" was for people and other animate things. Buy less and fewer bugs me, too.
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)... "E" comes before "I" more often than "I" comes before "E."
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)... that this thread is about SPELLING rather than grammar. Just checked my PRESCRIPTIVE dictionary and find no indication that spelling is part of grammar.
ashling
(25,771 posts)are not mutually exclusive.
That was my first thought!
Sincerely,
A Grammar Nazi
tavernier
(12,368 posts)But my favorite was Niles. He could make me laugh just by raising an eyebrow.