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I love grammar! (Original Post) ashling Apr 2014 OP
Or try to inveigle your heifer ... Glorfindel Apr 2014 #1
Grammar Nazi here! krispos42 Apr 2014 #2
Oh, that's wonderful. SheilaT Apr 2014 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Apr 2014 #37
Not to sound like a stalker, Jenoch Apr 2014 #7
Yup, that was me krispos42 Apr 2014 #9
Grammar Nazi Knows Leith Apr 2014 #36
"Neighbour"? Jenoch Apr 2014 #4
Good one. Treant Apr 2014 #5
I've considered consecutive to mean at least two things in a row. Jenoch Apr 2014 #6
Thinking of "consecutive" bvf Apr 2014 #12
I prefer "third consecutive" ... JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2014 #24
I understand your pain. Jenoch Apr 2014 #25
Hey, I'm a Chicago Cubs fan Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #26
I'm a Twins fan and we're likely going to have a "4th consecutive" 90+ losses season this year. Jenoch Apr 2014 #34
they really should say demigoddess Apr 2014 #17
It goes "consecutive, conthirdative, confourthative..." and so forth. Flying Squirrel Apr 2014 #8
DUzy. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2014 #19
Neighbor vs. neighbour RebelOne Apr 2014 #14
Spelling wars with the superflous U....Honor/honour...color/colour...labor/labour!!!! MADem Apr 2014 #16
Except for proper names, I tend to go with the spelling of the audience I am writing for Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #27
Smart move! I never could figure out why Honor Blackman didn't avail herself of her Home Town "U!" MADem Apr 2014 #32
I checked two dictionaries and neither agree with you about consecutive. n/t A Simple Game Apr 2014 #33
Meme fail needledriver Apr 2014 #10
and weird words like "weird" awoke_in_2003 Apr 2014 #20
Or science Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #28
I before E except after C, Doc_Technical Apr 2014 #11
That rule is just WIERD n/t Brainstormy Apr 2014 #13
Neither financier seized either species of weird leisure... Callmecrazy Apr 2014 #15
what really drives me nuts demigoddess Apr 2014 #18
You would JUST LUV the essay papers I get ! ! ! ashling Apr 2014 #21
That weighs very heavy on me Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #22
What about who and that? rickyhall Apr 2014 #23
If I'm not mistaken ... JEFF9K Apr 2014 #29
A REAL Grammar Nazi might point out ... JEFF9K Apr 2014 #30
My love of grammar and the fact that this is about spelling ashling Apr 2014 #31
Ha! geardaddy Apr 2014 #35
Me too. Loved him as Fraser. tavernier Apr 2014 #38
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
3. Oh, that's wonderful.
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 12:13 AM
Apr 2014

There's no reason why grammar can't be taught, and cartoons like these would be perfect!

On a boring and serious note, I'm one of the grammar mavens out there, and I would dearly love to find a college level English grammar class. Yeah, I'm strange that way. Every so often I find myself puzzling over some one of the finer points of English grammar, and I long to have a very rigorous class in that stuff.

Response to SheilaT (Reply #3)

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
7. Not to sound like a stalker,
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 12:47 AM
Apr 2014

but I seem to recall that you used to live in Cambridge (please correct me if I am wrong). You're lucky you were not there last week when they got about 20" of snow. (Slap me if you already knew this.)

Leith

(7,808 posts)
36. Grammar Nazi Knows
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 10:33 PM
Apr 2014

Knowing grammar is the difference between "knowing your shit" and "knowing you're shit."

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
4. "Neighbour"?
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 12:22 AM
Apr 2014

I don't know if this is about grammar, but I have been puzzled for years about a commonly used set of words. My confusion involves the word 'consecutive' as in 'second consecutive' or 'third consecutive' championship, usually about athletics.

I can understand if the words were 'second, consecutive championship'. But winning two championships in a row are not two consecutive championships. The first one cannot be a consecutive. After the second championship, it can be referred to as conse utive championships, but not TWO or SECOND conse utive championships.

I feel like I have been put into a round room and told to piss in the corner.

Treant

(1,968 posts)
5. Good one.
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 12:28 AM
Apr 2014

I've always taken "second consecutive" to mean "second in a row."

And I've always taken it to be kind of silly as well, if grammatically accurate. Two things in a row are not particularly unusual. Call me when it's three and we'll talk.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
6. I've considered consecutive to mean at least two things in a row.
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 12:43 AM
Apr 2014

I consider 'second' to mean something after first, or something happening for a second time. To me second consecutive has to be at least three events and not two. A single event is not, by definition, consecutive. Thus an event happening for a second AND consecutive time has to have occurred more than twice without interruption.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
12. Thinking of "consecutive"
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 12:19 PM
Apr 2014

as referring strictly to a *sequence* of things might help here, since its meaning is "occurring in a row."

As you say, no single instance of anything can be referred to as "consecutive," so rather than say "second consecutive championship," say "two consecutive championships." The adjective modifies neither championship by itself, but only the two (or more) taken together.

To say "second (or third, fourth, etc.) consecutive . . . " is to misuse the word.








JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
24. I prefer "third consecutive" ...
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 05:53 AM
Apr 2014

to the newish sports term "three-peat".

Although, as a Lions fan, I'd settle for "one consecutive", or "one-peat".

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
25. I understand your pain.
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 07:22 AM
Apr 2014

However "third consecutive" means at least four in a row and that is a tall order.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
26. Hey, I'm a Chicago Cubs fan
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 10:35 AM
Apr 2014

It's not just that the last time the Cubbies won the World Series was 1908. The last time the Cubs were even in the World Series was 1945.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
17. they really should say
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:49 PM
Apr 2014

two consecutive or three consecutive not second or third. makes all the difference. I also am a grammar nazi.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
14. Neighbor vs. neighbour
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 04:00 PM
Apr 2014
http://grammarist.com/spelling/neighbor-neighbour/

Neighbor vs. neighbour

Neighbor is preferred in American English, and neighbour is preferred in all the other main varieties of English. The words are the same in every other respect. The spelling difference extends to derivative words such as neighborhood/neighbourhood, neighborly/neighbourly, neighbored/neighboured, and neighboring/neighbouring.

Examples
U.S.

It’s neighbor vs. neighbor on rural Ritchie Highway [Baltimore Sun]

In summer, the rink area is a sprawling lawn, neighbored by restaurants and chess players. [LA Times]

The two neighborhoods have begun organizing a Marco Polo Day and an East Meets West Christmas Parade. [NY Times]

Outside the U.S.

Revitalizing historic neighbourhoods reduces the need to develop new land and costly new municipal infrastructure, a key objective of smart growth. [The Star Phoenix (Canada)]

A military crane parked in an Oxford street has attracted a barrage of criticism from angry neighbours. [Oxford Mail]

After helping ferry his neighbour’s children to safety, he returned to find a group of teenagers inside another house. [Brisbane Times]

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. Spelling wars with the superflous U....Honor/honour...color/colour...labor/labour!!!!
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:32 PM
Apr 2014

Don't forget the Z v. S battles:

Apologize/apologise, analyze/analyse, organize, organise!

And then there's the -er v. -re crowd:

Centre/center, litre/liter, and my favorite, theatre/theater!

I still mix it up on occasion owing to an education that spanned the globe.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
27. Except for proper names, I tend to go with the spelling of the audience I am writing for
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 10:45 AM
Apr 2014

I have written for British audiences, so I use British spelling there. For an American audience, American spelling.

I use the appropriate spelling for proper names, no matter what the audience. Thus, the main opposition party in the British Parliament is the Labour Party. In December 1941, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

Incidentally, if you want to blame anyone for English spelling, blame Dr Samuel Johnson. If you wanted to use his dictionary, you had to use his spelling. Before then, you could spell things as you wished. (When I was an undergraduate, I was doing some research in 16th century Anglo-Scots relations. As part of that, I had to read a number of documents written by an official in Scotland who clearly spelt things the way he said them. The only way I could decipher them was to read them aloud in a Scots accent.)

My father used to say that there are no rules in English spelling or grammar, merely conventions.

 

needledriver

(836 posts)
10. Meme fail
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 09:47 AM
Apr 2014

I before E, except after C, or when sounded as A, as in neighbor and weigh.

If you are going to post about words that break the I before E rule, don't use one of the examples in the rule!!!

Callmecrazy

(3,065 posts)
15. Neither financier seized either species of weird leisure...
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 04:06 PM
Apr 2014

There are always exceptions to the rule, and they are usually republican. Because they are so special.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
18. what really drives me nuts
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 05:55 PM
Apr 2014

is when they use less when they should be saying fewer
should be : fewer days, less time, fewer votes, less support.
fewer is for numbers, separate things, less is for a quantity not defined by numbers.

they are now doing it on the news, commercials and in writing. That can't be a slip of the tongue!

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
23. What about who and that?
Tue Apr 22, 2014, 11:02 PM
Apr 2014

Like "Those people that talk funny" or "Those people who talk funny." I thought "that" was for inanimate objects whereas "who" was for people and other animate things. Buy less and fewer bugs me, too.

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
30. A REAL Grammar Nazi might point out ...
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 12:54 PM
Apr 2014

... that this thread is about SPELLING rather than grammar. Just checked my PRESCRIPTIVE dictionary and find no indication that spelling is part of grammar.

tavernier

(12,368 posts)
38. Me too. Loved him as Fraser.
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 07:16 AM
Apr 2014

But my favorite was Niles. He could make me laugh just by raising an eyebrow.

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