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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Sat May 10, 2014, 07:57 AM May 2014

Have you been to Beijing or any part of the People's Republic of China ?

I have, in 1997. I was only there for 3 days, and I wish I could have stayed for much longer. Bicycles everywhere back then during morning rush hour ! I was the tallest human at the Beijing McDonald's by my hotel ! I felt very unwatched in Beijing, which was nice.

The Chinese people were very nice to me. I went in January to get a lower price, so I froze a bit. I went to Tiananmen Square and it's gigantic. I walked on the Great Wall of China. I saw the Summer Palace. The air pollution was bad back then and apparently it's even worse now with all the cars on the road.

One piece of advice: When you fly into Beijing (or Buenos Aires for that matter), expect to be accosted by hordes of locals wanting to drive you into town. If you don't know any Chinese, expect to be completely confused. Have Chinese currency ready to pay with. I don't know if they take credit cards now.

Have you been to China ? Care to share your experiences ? Thanks as always.

Steve

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Have you been to Beijing or any part of the People's Republic of China ? (Original Post) steve2470 May 2014 OP
My company has a facility in Tianjin about 80 miles south of Beijing liberal N proud May 2014 #1
I have been there twice davidpdx May 2014 #2
I went to China about a year and a half ago for 10 days Major Nikon May 2014 #3
I was there in 1982. greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #4
I went there several times in the 1990s aint_no_life_nowhere May 2014 #5
very interesting anecdotes, thanks !!! nt steve2470 May 2014 #6
I've been three times NewJeffCT May 2014 #7
Agree, the air is horrible and you feel dirty just walking in it mainer May 2014 #8
I spent a few hours in Hong Kong a few years back. Coventina May 2014 #9

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
1. My company has a facility in Tianjin about 80 miles south of Beijing
Sat May 10, 2014, 08:30 AM
May 2014

My first trip was in 2009, landed in Beijing and spent the first night in a hotel catering to western visitors.
The company provided a driver who picked you up from there the next day and drove you to a hotel in Tianjin. They pick you up at the hotel each morning to go to the facility and back in the evening. Employees are all bused in from 2 hours away each day in company owned buses. This is the case with most western companies in the area.

The company provides an English speaking guide while at the facility and during any other activities. But when they drop you off at the hotel, you are on your own.

In the evenings I was treated by the facility manager to Chinese dining. He used US visitors as an incentive for his employees hosting group dinners which I found interesting and a great way to try many different foods and learn some culture. These dinners were held in various restaurants usually in private rooms. One person in the group orders from what looks like a catalog and everyone is seated around a circular table with a large lazy Susan. As food is brought in it is placed on the lazy Susan with small plates for each dinner. The plate are not for food but sheer you discard your bones. I decided on the first day to learn to eat with chopsticks.

I have been to the great wall, Tianimin Square, Temple of Heaven, Summer Palace and other sites. Shopped the markets and watched them sting pearls for necklaces I brought back.

I do feel a little isolated while in the hotel mostly because it is impossible to read signs. As far as feeling like I was watched? Not so much but controlled is another thing, internet was very restricted even in the hotel dedicated to western visitors.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
2. I have been there twice
Sat May 10, 2014, 09:08 AM
May 2014

Once to Bejing for a few days. The second time I lived in Wuxi for 9 months and taught at a university. I've been in Korea for 10 years.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
3. I went to China about a year and a half ago for 10 days
Sat May 10, 2014, 11:40 AM
May 2014

I had no problems at the Beijing airport, but I was in a tour group. I didn't see anyone else having any problems either like you describe.

One problem I did run into was the cab drivers all seem to run the same scam of driving you all over town before taking you to your destination in order to drive up the meter. I've ran into this problem in other developing countries. Had I thought about it more, I should have had the hotel write a note telling them I'll pay them triple the fare if they just take me directly to where I'm going.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,729 posts)
4. I was there in 1982.
Sat May 10, 2014, 01:06 PM
May 2014

Back then, you could only visit with a tour group so I had no problem with drivers at the airport. Also went to Shanghai, Hangzhou, Guilin and Guangzhou, ending up in Hong Kong.

The hotel in Beijing was not quite completed and supposedly a copy of a Holiday Inn in Fayetteville, NC. Stayed at the old Peace Hotel on the Bund in Shanghai -- in the days before it had been modernized. Back then it looked like something from the 1930s.

It was an amazing experience.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
5. I went there several times in the 1990s
Sat May 10, 2014, 02:32 PM
May 2014

I was working in a Chinese law office as an immigration attorney and was sent to China to try to get some difficult visa cases approved before the U.S. consulates. Beijing was very smoggy. The people in general in Beijing were very nice but a few in the countryside seemed to hate non Chinese. I also visited Shandong and Shanghai. Shandong was very primitive; I was housed in the finest hotel in town and there was no heat in the dead of winter. I had to wear every item of clothing in my suitcase. I remember traveling in a car on the streets of Shandong at about 3:00 in the morning. There were about 300 adults having a giant snowball fight in the dead of night on a city street, not far from the giant statue of Mao. Maybe they were night shift factory workers on a break but I found it very odd. I visited the Great Wall which was extraordinary. I also visited a gorge north of Beijng on which a dam had been built and a large man-made lake had been created. I walked a very, very long way up an ancient stone staircase high above the gorge to an old Buddhist monastery. I was stunned at the strange sense of peace that enveloped me, even though I know very little of that religion. It was a palpable and profound feeling I had never experienced before.

One of my clients was one of the new Chinese multi-millionaires and had a large chain of stores across China. I got a visa approved for one of his family members to come to the U.S. and he showed his gratitude by inviting me to a lavish lunch in which he and I and a Chinese assistant from our law office who was my translator were the only patrons (he'd hired out the entire restaurant for lunch). Despite the fact this man had phenomenal wealth, he was rather backwards, especially in his manners. He would spit on the floor and blow his nose on it. The poor young waitresses looked terrified and stood in a row as he kept asking for services. He shouted at them and I was told the translator that he was being extremely vulgar with them and insulting. He seemed to be a man who liked to throw his weight around but he was very friendly with me. Later that night, he arrived at our hotel in a chauffeured Mercedes and took us to the building in Beijing which was the seat of government. We went past a number of armed guards with machine guns and ended up in the room where Dong Xiaoping (successor to Mao for China's leadership) entertained heads of state. The room had a number of easy chairs arranged in a semi-circle and I was invited to sit in Dong's favorite chair (he wasn't there and I believe he was quite ill at the time) and was offered one of his personal favorite cigarettes. After that, we went into a banquet hall where a lavish dinner was served and several dignitaries were supposedly present (my client was apparently a very influential man). He later told my translator that all the beautiful statuesque waitresses (who spoke excellent English) were all intelligence services personnel. I had another influential client on another occasion, a young man whose grandfather had been one of Mao's generals during the Great March. He had a new Mercedes that had a top flight military sticker on the bumper that allowed him to go everywhere he wanted. I was sent to Beijing to get a visa for his fiancee, a Chinese fashion model. I remember freaking out when during a traffic jam in downtown Beijing at a major intersection with no traffic lights (I saw very few back then in Beijing) and hundreds of bicycles fighting with cars, he decided to drive on the sidewalk. At about 40mph, he just honked his horn and forced everyone to get out of his way to get around the traffic.

One night we were taken out to visit bars. Our Chinese guide said we could have any woman we wanted in the bars for a price. I saw lots of men in uniforms in and around the bars. I was told that the Army controlled prostitution and made money from it.

I think the most disgusting thing I witnessed was the behavior of the U.S. Foreign Service. One Consular Officer known to ask for "favors" from attractive Chinese female applicants for visas (according to my translator) locked himself in with a young beautiful Chinese client of mine and asked her out at the conclusion of his one-on-one closed door visa interview. Another consular officer in another city who refused to even speak to me, later got into trouble for selling visas under the table through his wife, who was a native Chinese. Apparently, according to other immigration attorneys I've spoken to, these absolutely horrendous activities were not uncommon on the part of our government employees. I don't know if it's still that way, as I haven't practiced law in some time now and haven't been to China since the mid 1990s.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
7. I've been three times
Sun May 11, 2014, 07:17 AM
May 2014

2004, 2007 and 2013.

The first two times, we went in the summer and the weather was brutal - extremely humid, and when you mixed that with the pollution in the air, you felt dirty as soon as you walked outside. Even at 7am, you'd sweat as soon as you left the hotel. Went again in April of last year and it was much more pleasant. (I was in Houston last summer for a bit and Shanghai & Nanjing were definitely a whole different level of oppressiveness in terms of weather.)

I liked Beijing - a lot of history and great historical sites.

Even though they have a lot of modern conveniences and some great high speed rail, the air conditioning quality is a mixed bag - when walking through a shopping mall, you can experience several large temperature shifts in the matter of a few minutes.

You see McDonald's, Baskin Robbins, Starbucks and KFC everywhere in Chinese cities, as well as other US chain stores.

The Pudong district in Shanghai makes Manhattan look small and old.= with several skyscrapers bigger than anything in NY.

I got a lot of stares/looks the first time I went in 2004, as I think non-Chinese were still something of a novelty back then. By the time I went in 2013, I hardly got a glance, as I guess Chinese had gotten used to it.

The people were generally friendly, but you also don't see a lot of smiles from people as they go about their day-to-day lives.

I'd say the cities are generally pretty safe as long as you don't get off the beaten path.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
8. Agree, the air is horrible and you feel dirty just walking in it
Sun May 11, 2014, 08:16 AM
May 2014

but the city is fascinating. I especially loved walking in the hutongs. I felt safe everywhere, except for the traffic. And the fact that you felt every breath would give you lung cancer.

I was there 2 years ago.

Coventina

(27,089 posts)
9. I spent a few hours in Hong Kong a few years back.
Mon May 12, 2014, 10:00 AM
May 2014

Probably one of the most disgusting places I've ever been.

The air was like soup. I felt like I was going to die of lung cancer just from that short visit.

Ick.

No interest in returning.

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