Game of Thrones 4.6 "The Laws of Gods and Men" (spoiler alert)

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Stannis and Davos set sail with a new strategy. Dany meets with supplicants. Tyrion faces down his father in the throne room.

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1. And- an MTV tribute to the moms of Westeros

here on Mother's Day

http://www.mtv.com/news/1823050/game-of-thrones-a-tribute-to-the-great-moms-of-westeros/

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2. more articles here:

the 36 most shocking deaths...

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/tv/game-of-thrones-death-matrix-connecting-the-36-most-shocking-demises-so-far/#/0

interview with Peter Dinklage:
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/tv/game-of-thrones-star-peter-dinklage-nothings-fair-in-kings-landing/#/0

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3. I need my Arya and Hound fix. I didn't see either one of them

in the clips.

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4. They're out

hunting for chickens.

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5. LOL!

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6. It begins.

Looks like Theon's sister is going to try to go on a rescue mission. And, it looks like Tyrion has an allie, after all.

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7. The Titan of Braavos

nice shot

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8. This is not going to end well for Theon's sister, is it?

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9. Poor Reek

almost feel sorry for him

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10. Getting into Dances with Dragons material now

with Reek being Theon

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11. Tyrion is giving it to his dad, good!

But, Shay, oh Shay.

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12. Tough to watch

Not quite a bad as the book. (In the book, she mentions how she called him, "My giant of Lannister" and, of course, the whole court erupts in laughter... you could just feel the humiliation come off the pages.)

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13. Do I assume that Tyrion's dad will allow her to live based on the

testimony? Or did Shay give it willingly?

Who is Tyrion going to ask to champion his cause?

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15. His first choice

will be his brother, but he can't defend him legally... second choice is Bronn.

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16. Of course.

Bronn.

[TorchTheWitch]

25. I wonder what the show is going to do so that Bronn doesn't

act as his champion. In the books Bronn had gotten married, and I don't think Tyrion ever asked him to due to other circumstances (don't want to blurt out a spoiler).

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35. Tyrion did ask him in the books

spoilers [font color=white]Bronn was leery of fighting somebody so big and strong now that he was a knight. Cersei actually offered to get him married into House Stokeworth before the trial by combat to ward off Bronn accepting for Tyrion. [/font]

[TorchTheWitch]

26. it's apparent in the books that she didn't have a choice

In the books she wasn't put on a ship away from Kings Landing. But in the books there wasn't a love story between them either... she just acted the whore. She was also rather greedy in the books, too, with her wanting jewels and gowns and stuff like that.

The way the show had their relationship it's interesting to ponder about why she does it. I'm sure a lot of it is because she was caught and had to to save her skin, but there has to be something more personal as well.

I wondered what they were going to do about her testifying against him since in the show she had been sent away, and he had to pretend to not love her and be cruel to her to make her leave.

Man, I wish each episode was more like 2 hours long... even with an hour with so many different stories going on they can't get them all in with every episode.

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28. I think there were two good reasons for her to lie.

The first, because Cersei had her tracked down and captured. And the second because she was a woman scorned. The clues were there in her testimony. She said, word for word, the statement that was overheard by Cersei's spy, but she then claimed that Tyrion had demanded that she say them.

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36. yeah, I think that's it

It was just such a different relationship in the books that what she did and why was really pretty obvious because she was just playing the whore and didn't love him or care about him at all.

I rather like this plot better in the show than in the books.

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14. was it just me

or, was the screen crackling at the end at the intensity of Dance and Dinklage?

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24. that didn't happen to me

so it was probably just you.

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17. Points to Maester Pycelle for calling the Joffrey "the most noble boy who ever lived"...

...without breaking into laughter.

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18. yes

that was a bit of a stretch.

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29. Do we take him as an avid liar?

Or does he still have a card to play to help Tyrion?

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49. Wait, are you still talking abou Prycelle?

He hates Tyrion, he doesn't want to help him at all.

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50. So all this talk about remembering Tyrion's good deeds was bullshit.

Thanks. No wonder Tyrion blew off the entire town.

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19. The actor who plays Ser Davos is so good in this role.

He has become my favorite character on the show.

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22. he's been one of my favorites, too

In the books he wasn't all that interesting, but he's great in the show and gets some really good scenes.

I watched a really good interview on him on YouTube. At one point he talks about his having to pretend he was illiterate and learning to read, and he got so into it that once when he was practicing that bit he actually jumped up with excitement when he got a word right as if he really was someone who couldn't read. He's really quite funny, too.

found it!

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20. What was the punch line to Davos' friend's story?

I wasn't able to make out what his bathing buddies said at the end of his joke.

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21. "Bring me my brown pants!"

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23. hahaha! I couldn't understand what they said either

That's really funny!

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27. I am beginning to think that GOT does not

really work that well as an HBO series.

There are way too many characters and way too many plot lines to adequately cover the books in a 50-55 minute weekly episode. This season it seems like you may have 2-3 decent scenes a week. I like Tyrion, Jamie, and Bronn (and would like more Oberyn) but could care less about anything else at King's Landing. Daenerys had a great story line last season and is not more of a background character this season. The Greyjoys could just fall off the face of the earth. I find that the minor characters/plot lines a waste of screen time.

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30. When I replayed the show last night, I fast forwarded through the Greyjoy parts,

but most of that was do to the fact that they were effectively depressing.

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32. My guess

that they were just there to show how broken Theon/Reek is. He's so far gone that he won't even go with his sister.

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33. Well, his life depends on role-playing the old Theon.

Did you get the impression that the sister hastily left because the sadist was about to release the hounds on her?

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34. Yes

I'm pretty sure that is what happened.

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39. I don't

I think she left because she realized that Theon was just far too broken to be of any use. She could have killed Ramsey with her ax when he turned to unlock the dog's door. (She's an expert at throwing axes). The dogs were also in separate cells each with their own lock. A single dog isn't a problem though more of them could be. She also indicated she had no intention of going back again for a rescue with more people. She totally wrote him off and wouldn't have done that over a single dog. After all, she's a warrior that would have no problem fighting three or more warriors coming at her with weapons, so why would she care about one dog?

I believe that once she saw just how mentally far gone he was even to the point of being on the opposite side she realized that nothing could be gained by rescuing him. In her mind it's better that he dies than to continue to live as he's become, and that as he is he's useless. But letting him believe it was the dogs for her reason to abandon him totally would make sense in her mind to be a kindness rather than him to realize later that she abandoned him because she found him worthless in the state she found him.

This never happened in the books though. In the books she doesn't even care about what had become of him and even uses his being dead or captured by someone so she can make a bid for the Ironborn throne after the father dies. All her life she's considered herself as Theon's replacement since he was taken by the Starks as a child. It's odd that in the show they have her care about him and want him back. It's HER that has worked to take his place as the heir, and having him back destroys her own ambitions for the throne. He's a threat to her. I never understood why she went against her father in Season 3 deciding to rescue him. It just never made sense with what happens with her in the future in the books.

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42. For the first time, I am pissed off at the show's creators

They have completely ruined one of the best, most emotionally heart-warming scenes in the entire series.

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31. agree on Dany this season

Her storyline has not really been all that good this year. The book conquest of Meereen took longer, however, and Ser Jorah's storyline is going to pick up as well.

[Solly Mack]

37. Decent episode. Tyrion was great.

More than one book (story-line events) combined in this episode...albeit altered (Reek as Theon, Iron Bank/Stannis)

I like the foreshadowing of things that Drogon will burn. And how they show Daenerys' life-view is challenged in terms of justice - mercy - wise rule. Harken backs to what Selmy was trying to teach her in the last episode. (about tempering with mercy)


Daenerys is just so sure of what she believes is true and factual, always forgetting (and never considering) that the 'facts' taught to her by brother Viserys might be wrong or inaccurate or without all the details. Viserys inherited the 'mad' that brought his father down.

Jorah's hate of some in Westoros brings less than helpful counsel. He blames others for his crimes.

Selmy is more centered even with the wrong done to him. He accepts responsibility for his inaction and has a clearer picture of the past.

I don't much care for any of the Ironborn.

From Tywin's face on the show it appeared as if he feared Tyrion asking that Jaime be his champion. Jaime's face, in addition to fearing for Tyrion (and being exasperated), looked as if he shared his father's fear as well.

I wonder if Shae will find justice in the same location as she did in the books.

I can't wait for Pycelle to meet his little birds.



Though this episode did not touch on it - a previous episode seemed to be telling us that Syrio Forel is not dead. Could be just something to taunt Arya with (by the Hound)....or it could be foreshadowing.

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38. I'm not a big fan of any of the Ironborn, either

I liked Asha in the books, but not sure about Yara on the show yet...

Selmy's become one of my favorite characters in the books (which, of course, means he's doomed to die in the next book...)

I'd hate to see Shae's justice changed from the books, though they'll have to do it a bit differently.

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40. I skimmed through most of the Ironborn stuff in the books

Same for all the characters in Dorne and what was going on there. Couldn't have cared less about either, and they just seemed to muddy the waters even more.

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41. well, when A Feast for Crows came out

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It had been several years since I had read A Storm of Swords, and I had been through a divorce, a few job changes, remarriage and then fatherhood in the interim. So, when I picked up the book, I was like, "Who in the seven hells are these characters?" when they went through the Ironborn and Dorne chapters. I put the book down in frustration and didn't pick it up again until A Dance with Dragons had a firm release date in 2011. From there, i started the entire series over from the beginning... and things made a lot more sense that second time through, and you don't forget all the secondary and tertiary characters that way.

I still don't love the Ironborn chapters, but I know Victarion and Euron are going to possibly play major roles, and who knows if & when the Damphair will turn up?

With Dorne, I think Martin took too long in getting through the story of Arianne, Myrcella, Arys Oakheart, Areo Hotah and The Dark Star, Gerold Dayne. It could have been compressed into half the number of pages.

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47. I agree. I think they'll do it differently.

I think Selmy survives...until Howling Reed makes an appearance, at least. Selmy knows needed back story.

Selmy may survive period.

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43. You put something together that I didn't pick up.

Tyrion's father is terrified that he will pick Jaime as his champion. That makes sense. Now I understand all the gasps.

Wha was the foreshadowing that you saw regarding Syrio Forel?

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44. I think they meant

foreshadowing with Bronn dueling Jamie?

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45. Oh, crap.

I didn't see that coming. Well, you know the two have to survive, right? Because, I can't see losing either Lannister at this juncture.

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46. That was just a random thought about Syrio.

I was thinking of Arya and how the Hound taunted her about her Braavosi water dance master.

The champion will be Oberyn. (against the Mountain)...most likely.

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48. Why would Tyrion select Oberyn?

This seems to be a mistake because Cersei has already tried to win Oberyn's allegiance--though I realize that Tyrion is unaware about this attempt.

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51. I'm sorry! That was a book spoiler.

House Clegane (Ser Gregor, the Hound's brother) is fealty to House Lannister as their champion as well as other things.

So....Oberyn's sister is Elia Martell Targaryen (and her children)....the Mountain.

Dorne's 'justice', so to speak.

Course, it could play out differently.

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52. I think by this point in the books

The Mountain had replaced The Hound as a member of the Kingsguard as well?

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53. Yes

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54. Tyrion's awesome plea