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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsI am a proud Double-Spacer at the end of the period. Yes I am
30+ years of hardcore typing and it's just habit that after a period I double space twice. I'm so tired of people telling me we should only do one space - it's just not how things are done!! Who stands with me in this great cause!!!!
mainer
(12,018 posts)I know I'm supposed to go single spaced, but I just can't. It's too automatic.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Two spaces after a sentence was a good rule during the old monospaced typeset days, when a lower-case i took as much space as a capital M. In these days of proportional spacing and fonts, one space after a period at the end of a sentence is sufficient.
Even an old dog like me learned this new trick.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Mom got it in 1955, so we had proportional spacing back then. It cost over $600, which was 6 times what it cost to get me delivered into the world in about the same year. You could do beautiful work on it.
If you made a mistake, you had to erase it and then backspace eyeballing it.
The Selectrics (which came out in the early 60s) were all ten characters to the inch.
Court reporters had IBMs with a "cheater ratchet" that was 9 to the inch.
Laffy Kat
(16,373 posts)Nothing beats it. Finding supplies, however, is a losing battle.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)<--for the DU Double Spacers.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I got a bit over 40 years of "hardcore typing" myself!! Love that term. I'm a broken-down former legal secretary and former court reporter. In my case it was "child labor" at the typewriter. I was so fast that it didn't take me long to type pleadings and decrees and wills and whatnot. I was doing 50 wpm after one semester of typing on a godforsaken manual. I was always too fast to type on a manual. My fingers would go between the keys and hurt. I could jam a regular IBM and make a Selectric burp when I overran it. I took an IBM Standard with me to college. My dad hauled it in my dorm room and the new roommates looked at me like I was an alien. They probably thought, "Oh no! She types her own papers and is serious about studying!".
I took a computer typing test in 1999 that was fast enough to keep up with me. I did 115 wpm and that was after going back and correcting my mistakes! Don't know what my raw speed would be if I didn't back up and do corrections. My secret was "many years of piano lessons."
My dad, who was a general civil practice attorney, came to my court reporting class and talked about probate law.
He said, "Now, if you should want to leave part of your estate to a home for broken-down court reporters,"
He said, "I'm teaching your class, so you should call me Doctor,"
It's true. Lawyers are normally not called Doctor unless they are professors.
Many years ago we had a crazy old civil court judge who insisted on addressing the attorneys as Doctor, and he had signs made to put on counsel's desks that said "Plaintiff" and "Defendant". I don't know if that was for his benefit or for the spectators' benefit.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)pitchforks and torches?
I'm in on this rebellion too, after being forced to double space periods in HS typing classes 40+ years ago.
Baitball Blogger
(46,684 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)If all those single-spacers decided to jump off a bridge would you do the same??!!
Baitball Blogger
(46,684 posts)Okay, I'm a sell-out.
Seriously, though. I miss my double space. I like the white space that separated one thought from the other.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)I also do double spaces after Exclamation Points and Question Marks.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)As young as I am, I think this should be grand-fathered in.
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)Everything just looks too bunched up with only 1 space. It's has to be double spaced between sentences.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)I am a proud Double-Spacer at the end of the period. Yes I am
30+ years of hardcore typing and it's just habit that after a period I double space twice. I'm so tired of people telling me we should only do one space - it's just not how things are done!! Who stands with me in this great cause!!!!
monmouth3
(3,871 posts)geardaddy
(24,926 posts)but when you work in my field, you gotta go with the flow.
Signed, A Recovered Double-spacer
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Come back to the darkside and join us in our rebellion!
geardaddy
(24,926 posts)I am tempted.
Throd
(7,208 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)"I don't care how many generations of American standardized journalistic tradition I'm going against; YOU*PEOPLE*ARE*DOING*IT*WRONG!!"
(and no, I didn't say it quite like that)
geardaddy
(24,926 posts)3catwoman3
(23,951 posts)...You. All. The. Way.
Borchkins
(724 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)The decision is not up to me. I do what the publishers tell me to do. That being said, I am an advocate for the Oxford comma!
Scuba
(53,475 posts)pokerfan
(27,677 posts)Some years agonever mind how long preciselyhaving little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world.
It is a way I have of driving off the spleen and regulating the circulation.
Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people's hats offthen, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can.
This is my substitute for pistol and ball.
With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the ship.
There is nothing surprising in this.
If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me.
There now is your insular city of the Manhattoes, belted round by wharves as Indian isles by coral reefscommerce surrounds it with her surf.
Right and left, the streets take you waterward.
Its extreme downtown is the battery, where that noble mole is washed by waves, and cooled by breezes, which a few hours previous were out of sight of land.
Look at the crowds of water-gazers there.
Circumambulate the city of a dreamy Sabbath afternoon.
Go from Corlears Hook to Coenties Slip, and from thence, by Whitehall, northward.
What do you see?Posted like silent sentinels all around the town, stand thousands upon thousands of mortal men fixed in ocean reveries.
Some leaning against the spiles; some seated upon the pier-heads; some looking over the bulwarks of ships from China; some high aloft in the rigging, as if striving to get a still better seaward peep.
But these are all landsmen; of week days pent up in lath and plastertied to counters, nailed to benches, clinched to desks.
How then is this?
Are the green fields gone?
What do they here?
But look!
Here come more crowds, pacing straight for the water, and seemingly bound for a dive.
Strange!
Nothing will content them but the extremest limit of the land; loitering under the shady lee of yonder warehouses will not suffice.
No.
They must get just as nigh the water as they possibly can without falling in.
And there they standmiles of themleagues.
Inlanders all, they come from lanes and alleys, streets and avenuesnorth, east, south, and west.
Yet here they all unite.
Tell me, does the magnetic virtue of the needles of the compasses of all those ships attract them thither?
Once more.
Say you are in the country; in some high land of lakes.
Take almost any path you please, and ten to one it carries you down in a dale, and leaves you there by a pool in the stream.
There is magic in it.
Let the most absent-minded of men be plunged in his deepest reveriesstand that man on his legs, set his feet a-going, and he will infallibly lead you to water, if water there be in all that region.
Should you ever be athirst in the great American desert, try this experiment, if your caravan happen to be supplied with a metaphysical professor.
Yes, as every one knows, meditation and water are wedded for ever.
But here is an artist.
He desires to paint you the dreamiest, shadiest, quietest, most enchanting bit of romantic landscape in all the valley of the Saco.
What is the chief element he employs?
There stand his trees, each with a hollow trunk, as if a hermit and a crucifix were within; and here sleeps his meadow, and there sleep his cattle; and up from yonder cottage goes a sleepy smoke.
Deep into distant woodlands winds a mazy way, reaching to overlapping spurs of mountains bathed in their hill-side blue.
But though the picture lies thus tranced, and though this pine-tree shakes down its sighs like leaves upon this shepherd's head, yet all were vain, unless the shepherd's eye were fixed upon the magic stream before him.
Go visit the Prairies in June, when for scores on scores of miles you wade knee-deep among Tiger-lilieswhat is the one charm wanting?Waterthere is not a drop of water there!
Were Niagara but a cataract of sand, would you travel your thousand miles to see it?
Why did the poor poet of Tennessee, upon suddenly receiving two handfuls of silver, deliberate whether to buy him a coat, which he sadly needed, or invest his money in a pedestrian trip to Rockaway Beach?
Why is almost every robust healthy boy with a robust healthy soul in him, at some time or other crazy to go to sea?
Why upon your first voyage as a passenger, did you yourself feel such a mystical vibration, when first told that you and your ship were now out of sight of land?
Why did the old Persians hold the sea holy?
Why did the Greeks give it a separate deity, and own brother of Jove?
Surely all this is not without meaning.
And still deeper the meaning of that story of Narcissus, who because he could not grasp the tormenting, mild image he saw in the fountain, plunged into it and was drowned.
But that same image, we ourselves see in all rivers and oceans.
It is the image of the ungraspable phantom of life; and this is the key to it all.
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)They'd chew your ass out. People who care about kerning take it to a disturbing degree.
I use single-space. I also don't smear whiteout all over my monitor when I make a typing error because computers aren't typewriters.
Wounded Bear
(58,605 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)Two spaces after periods and colons. One after commas and semi-colons.
mnhtnbb
(31,374 posts)Been doing it that way ever since.
GoCubsGo
(32,075 posts)I don't intend to break myself of this habit. I'm too damn old, and I have far more important things to worry about than this.
mak3cats
(1,573 posts)Kali
(55,004 posts)I also spell out entire words, with the exceptions of LOL and OMG (and the occasional FU).
my only other adaption to modernity is not using caps at the beginning of sentences much any more.
2theleft
(1,136 posts)At least, that is what I tell myself. It makes me happy to space twice and see a period appear. I learned to type in 1984 in 9th grade, and now I cannot single space if I try. I type a period, I automatically space twice. I'm tired of trying.
mulsh
(2,959 posts)the next sentence when teaching us to print and later cursive. Same rule was stressed in my High School Typing Class. I'm with you Lynn.
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)I had to use APA in grad school and it is embedded in my brain!
woodsprite
(11,905 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Nice area!
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Generic Brad
(14,272 posts)Not only is it patriotic to go double spaced, it is academically accepted.
trof
(54,256 posts)I was 14.
Mom was a secretary.
That was before they graduated to 'administrative assistant'.
I think she needed a way to keep me in my hormone raging first teen years out of trouble for the summer.
It pretty much worked.
I learned typing and Business English, whatever that was.
I actually liked it.
I'm an after period double spacer.
Tribalceltic
(1,000 posts)And Hey! You single-space kids! Get off of my Lawn!
whistler162
(11,155 posts)Have you no decency? Think of the children.
Callmecrazy
(3,065 posts)Skittles
(153,122 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)You know me, always happy to help you out.
--Your fan and loyal client, Pinboy
Demoiselle
(6,787 posts)CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)Had to change when I was yelled at by my proof reader.
Took a while to break that habit. I like the cleaner look of the double space as well.
roaminronin
(49 posts)I find I have more and more space after my periods...
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)In that regard, I'm totally spaced out.....
avebury
(10,951 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)that's what I was taught in Business Class typing in high school and that's what I do.[space][space]
valerief
(53,235 posts)PC publishing programs became available, the rules changed. One space to save space. That made sense to me, so I changed with it.
I wouldn't be proud of doing it wrong all these years.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)But when I typeset y'all's stuff, first thing I do is search-and-replace every double space with a single space.
Resistance is futile.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)So, is it the site software killing your extra spaces, or are you trying to start something?
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)and here's two more. Now I'll try three spaces. Let's see how many spaces survive.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)KERN THIS!
Skittles
(153,122 posts)two is easier for old peepers to read
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)I'm writing content for pay for various businesses, and I did the double space after periods and I was told not to do it. Ever. Never.
It screws up their own formatting.
So what do I do? Stick with my principles and starve?
Or survive and live to one day maybe have my own publishing company where the double tap on the space bar is kosher?
I can't decide.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)At my first law firm job in New York, one of my co-workers was a Canadian. I asked him once about spelling. He told me that, in what he wrote for the firm, he used American spelling, but when he wrote something on his own, he went back to labour and realise and all the rest of it.
By the authority vested in me as a double-spacer of long standing, I hereby grant you a partial absolution. You may use the single space when writing for infidels who have power over you and who abuse that power to persecute you, provided that you remain pure in your other works.
It worked for my friend, eh?
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)I feel so absolved.
I will live another day!
RobinA
(9,886 posts)my solution if anybody cared that I continue to double-space. I work for a living, they ask me to do all kinds of stupid stuff - time-wasting, resource-wasting, basically wrong stuff. I do it because they're paying me. On my time I do things right.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I still use double spaces and when I post on the net, most places (like DU) have hosting software that automatically "corrects" it. Maybe they need an Elad to provide a simple solution that spares them having their formatting screwed up.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)The pay's pretty good, so I keep my little double space mouth shut.
But, yeah, they could be a lot more accommodating to us writers slaving over hot keyboards.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Double space and single after a period look exactly the same on this board, for example?
Single space. Double space. See what I mean?
Html only allows for one space unless hard coded for more.
Like this: Word Word, which I coded to have 3 spaces.
Now I'm going to post this to see if it works from my phone. If it doesn't I'll delete.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)habits die hard... pftttt...
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)That will be my excuse.
RobinA
(9,886 posts)I always hated the Oxford comma, I don't know why. I learned that it was optional early on in elementary school and I never used it. Then I ran into this professor who marked off if we didn't use it. Wouldn't listen to "it's optional." This was several years after I had another professor who x'd out almost all commas, turning sentences into an incomprehensible mess. So I started being hyperaware of it in his class because my first paper for him had a lot of points off for no Oxford commas. It carried over so that even now I always pause just before "and," then stick in the comma while thinking, F--- you Dr. Green---.
He didn't wear Oxfords, though.
Sweet Freedom
(3,995 posts)I'm a proud graphic designer who always runs a search and replace of double spaces, tabs and paragraph markers before I make anyone's copy look pretty.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)You're welcome
ashling
(25,771 posts)that is all. double space
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)But, hallelujah!, I have seen the light and now single space.
Coventina
(27,064 posts)I don't even think about it!
Glad to see that there's so many of us still around!
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)I got a celeb tweet back yesterday...my 3rd!
NNadir
(33,477 posts)I will, however, be leaving infinite spaces after the following period: .
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Those were just not discussed!
:/
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)God, I amuse myself so much!!
antiquie
(4,299 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)When I bother to make actual sentences, that is.
I am more apt to trail off in a line of dots..... as if trying to collect my thoughts... slippery things.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)You're right.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Times have changed, Granny. Move along. The one-space hep cats are takin' over.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)In which case it would be an error. Professional printed documents should have one space. No sane person gives a damn about a document that is not supposed to be professional grade on the question of two spaces. There are lots of insane people who do go nuts over this, and sometimes they will be your boss. Do it the bosses' way in those situations.
Don't tell your boss you have been doing it that way for 50 years. He might be smart enough to figure out that means you are well into your 60s.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Come back to me after you've juggled some slugs and justified pages. It was fun while it lasted.
The Second Stone
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WhiteAndNerdy
(365 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)cleveramerican
(2,895 posts)but I am quite forgiving