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(11,833 posts)Woohoo!
GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)it's gotta be Superman. BM is gonna kick the living *@#!+ out of him before it's all over.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)in the first place? thought they were both good guys?
i suppose my ignorance is proving complete.
sP
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)& that pisses off a lot of people.
He could have forced an arms deal that requires all weapons inspections go through him.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)I first heard about this concept as a kind of comicbook-fanboy fantasy where they would often get into heated arguments over "who would win." I guess they got their wish for a movie along those lines.
Even back when it was just a fantasy/"what if" argument, I still never got the point of it.
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)He got them fighting in the hugely popular Dark Knight Returns way back in 1986.
I thought it was a ridiculous concept then. It's still ridiculous. But, then, most mainstream comics are pretty awful these days, having been dumbed down over the years to satisfy an audience that can barely read.
Remember when Batman used to be the "Dark Night Detective"? His sleuthing powers were supposedly on par with Sherlock Holmes. Now he's just basically a not-particularly-bright high-tech vigilante.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Agree
GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)Bat Man sees Super Man as a "possible" tremendous threat against the entire planet if SM every goes rogue. For this BM will establish a "SM protocol" that will protect the planet against a rogue SM. Up to and including finding other people with powers to form a group to take on a rogue SM. Surely SM will not take kindly to having his secrets/weakness known to anybody. SM will retaliate.
When I'm talking about a "group", I'm referring to the fact that Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Cyborg will be making appearances in this movie. So far they have already been cast.
This movie will document their first meeting between a being with god-like powers & a masked, paranoid nutcase/douchebag with a metric ton of dangerous toys that's not afraid to use them.
You can kinda see how this is going to play itself out, right?
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)is that the movie introduces them as not having met before. After the Henry Cavill version of Superman, he may have saved the world in the end, but he was also taken to jail earlier in the movie and caused some massive destruction while saving the world. So, I'm guessing most people are not big fans of Superman.
Batman has often been portrayed as a vigilante who operates outside the law, and his methods may look a bit harsh to the "truth, justice and the American Way" nice guy Superman. I'm guessing one of the villains in the movie does something to set up/frame either Superman or Batman, or both, and the conflict comes when they both initially think the other guy is a criminal.
(back in the 70s, Marvel and DC teamed up for a Spider-Man vs Superman comic where (I think) Lex Luthor enhanced Spider-Man's strength to be nearly equal to Superman, and Superman went after Spidey because maybe he believed J Jonah Jameson's editorials bashing Spider-Man...of course, something happens and they end up teaming up to defeat the bad guys and save the world.)
Dr. Strange
(25,920 posts)bikebloke
(5,260 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)this has to do with anything, in regards to the movie
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Is yet to be defined.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)I thought Michael Keaton "got it"...hated the second movie primarily because of Danny DeVito's Penguin and Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman...I'm sorry, I know the woman has her fans, but she can't act her way out of a paper bag.
Kilmer was a goof. Too much "chicks dig the car," not enough Dark Knight.
Clooney was a mistake. Being the humble guy he is, he blames himself, while the rest of the known universe blamed director Joel Schumacher (which is why he never got to make another bat-film).
Bale kind of bored me. He got the moody intensity down pat, but...
Real Bat-Maniacs know that when Frank Miller published The Dark Knight...which revitalized a franchise that was long-stagnant...there was talk of none other than Clint Eastwood playing the role of the older, pissed-off Batman in a film adaptation of the story. I don't think they mentioned a potential Joker. I think John Malkovich should take a turn at the role at some point. He seems to have that "natural" insanity, even when he's playing a pretty conventional role.
With the right script and the right director, I think that could have been the ultimate Batman movie. The sheer viciousness of their battle in the comic would have been something Eastwood could have sunk his teeth into. C'est la vie...one more moment of brilliance that never made it past the discussion and rumor phase.
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I think with the right director and right script, Clooney would have been a great Batman. He has the intensity to play Batman, but the charm & screen presence to do Bruce Wayne
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)...based on his bad-assed turn in "From Dusk Till Dawn."
As I mentioned, the blame from any and all with inside knowledge of how these films were made falls on Schumacher. Clooney was the supreme professional and stand-up guy when he joked about how he "single-handedly killed the franchise." It would have been extremely easy for him to point the finger at Schumacher, because that was exactly what everyone else was doing. To his credit, he did not.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I put the blame on Schumacher. Plus, starting with Batman 2, so many superhero movies overloaded the movie with super villains and super allies (Spider-Man 3, I'm looking at you, too)
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)That movie was a hot mess from the opening WB logo. Clooney may, in fact, have been the only halfway decent thing in it.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)...was to compare him to Frank Gorshin's Riddler, but Goggins is a real "method" actor. He might do a good job in the role. I watched a few "behind the scenes" documentaries from "The Shield" and at times Walton is not particularly well liked because he "gets into character" and stays there for the entire work day and won't have any interactions with the cast or crew when the cameras stop rolling.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)he was in makeup, costume, and character. He was already friends with many of the cast, but didn't interact with them as "Walton"
His philosophy: "The life of a character doesn't just exist between action and cut"