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DebJ

(7,699 posts)
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 01:52 AM Sep 2015

I could use a hug and some sympathetic outrage.

My beloved Mom passed away Tuesday around mid-day. She was my best friend for many decades, always there with an ear and a loving heart. She was 86, and in bad health both physically and with dementia, so this was a blessing that she didn't suffer longer. But Wednesday that type of thing in life happened, where you just want to pick up the phone soooooo bad and say "Mom...." and I faced the reality of never being able to do that again.


Tell me, how would you feel, if your sister posted about your mother's death on Facebook a full half hour before she called you to tell you? My sister had only two people to call and advise: me, and one other sister. But before she bothered to call me, she posted about it on Facebook and made sure all her friends knew. We are friends on Facebook, the two of us, and I am usually on my computer a good deal of the day, and she knows that. God blessed me a bit here, though, and I happened to be busy in the kitchen for that half hour, and so the phone call was the first way I actually found out. At 1:19 I got the call from her, and a few hours later, in a later call, I asked her what Mom's official time of death is. (I keep detailed records on Ancestry). She stammered and stuttered and couldn't get any words out. I said oh well you called at 119 so I guess it was just before then, right? She stammered out "About that..." sounding not at all genuine. But there were pressing matters at hand, to get ready for a very long and sad drive, so my mind went on to other things. But it was just one of those conversations where it sticks in the back of your mind as 'gee, that's odd', and so your brain brings it up from time to time to ponder, and wonder what the hesitation was about. Today, I was checking our phone records online, to get the new number of a friend who had called, and I saw that 119 call again. It just so happened that I had my sister's Facebook page open at that same time, reading a comment someone had posted to her posting of Mom's death, and I saw the time that she had posted her comment.

I'm glad I didn't see that until just now. The funeral was Friday. She wasn't at our mother's funeral, herself, but I had to argue with her long and hard all day Tuesday to get a visitation set up for Thursday night so Dad could meet with friends and family at LEAST for two hours the night before, draw some comfort and love there, and take some time to say goodbye to his wife of 61 years. 61 years on Friday, the day of the funeral. She has Power of Attorney for my parents, and was making the arrangements. At 1:19 I got the call that Mom had passed. At 320 I got the call that the funeral was already arranged, including transporting the body two states up, and the funeral. She said the funeral would be a 15-30 minute service at the cemetery, and that was it. No nothing else at all for our mother.

I asked her why there would be no viewing, at least Thursday night. Dad had to be brought from NC to WV for the funeral, so it couldn't be before then. I was asking her on Facebook instant messenger, because both of our phone lines were busy with other calls. She kept giving answers like "We can't have the funeral Saturday because of Dad's religion (SDA)." I replied, so what does that have to do with a visitation/viewing on Thursday? She kept ignoring my question or saying other things, I kept asking. Finally my fourth sister,also part of the IM, chimed in that it was because of money. I said how much does it cost? Couldn't get an answer; had to keep battling. Finally she says 725 bucks. I said I'll pay half and borrow half from my daughter, give me a chance to call her qucik. My sister with POA says this has to be settled in 15 minutes because of the deadline to post the funeral notice in Friday's paper (note that was going to be too late for anyone to attend a funeral Friday at 10 am). My daughter agreed to loan me the money. Then my sister comes back and says no wait it is 390.75. I said fine, I'll pay. Then she backs down and says never mind I'll pay it with Mom and Dad's funds because Mom wouldn't want this fighting. For a matter of 390.75, this never was about the money.

Then, my other sister, in NC, where my parents have lived for 1.5 years, starts hemming and hawing and saying she doesnt' think she can get Dad up there until Thursday afternoon and he will be tired. I said I can help. I can come down there right now. I will drive 10 hours, spend the night at your house, and drive Dad and/or you and DAd up. If you can't leave on time, take care of what you need to and I'll get Dad here. She says Dad likes to go to bed early he can't stay up late. I said the viewing is 5-7 pm and I'll rent him a room at the motel he likes in this town he lived in for 30 years, and it is 1.2 miles away, so he can go right to bed. She says it will be too tiring for DAd to see all those people (it was less than 10). Finally the NC sister's husband got involved and said Dad would be here in time for the visitation. I had to send a zillion emails begging and pleading and saying our Dad needs this. They kept dismissing what I said, hemming, hawing, stalling, and outright saying Dad shouldn't 'have' to do this, that he was too frail, etc. Bullhockey.

I am so glad I fought for my Dad to have that visitation. As each of us arrived at the funeral home, he crooked his elbow in ours and said, EAGERLY, are you ready to see her? Then he escorted us up, and again introduced us to his bride. Dad always introduced her as his bride, even when they were in their 60s, 70s, and 80s, and she was in a wheelchair after a drunk hit her head on 5 weeks before her 60th birthday. Then DAd retold the tale of his proposal to her, and how he had to really work on her to get her to say yes (the funny part being that my two very responsible parents were wed just 6 weeks after they met). As he told that story, his face glowed with the joy of her choosing to marry him, with pride, and happiness, and still a bit of surprise, 61 years later, that she had said yes. Then he said to me softly, I am really going to miss her.

The last 25 years, I didn't have a Mom and a Dad. I had MomDad, one entity. She breathed in, he breathed out. They were never separated except a few nights when DAd went into the hospital. When Mom went in the nursing home in April, he was by her side from 730 am to dark every day, for over four months. He told my husband he wanted to make sure he was always the first person she saw when she awoke. They held hands all day long, for months, him in a chair by her side, her in bed, or he pushed her in her wheelchair. When he had to go home to sleep at night, he lay on top of the blankets, and wouldn't get underneath them, and explained that he wouldn't do so again unless she was home with him again.

And what my sisters intended to do, was just toss her into her mausoleum slot in 15 minutes, and never give Dad time to process and accept and say goodbye. Thursday evening, he went up to her and held her hand again, patted her face, her body, too many times to count. He needed that time. He needed that goodbye.

I'm so glad I fought for my Dad, and got this for him. He deserved that.


Those two people made me who I am. They taught me that above all, you love. Everyone. Even in their 70s, they would pick up migrant workers walking along the WV backroads and give them a lift...their lives were always about love for family, each other, and a deep devotion to God (not to religion, but God).

I am so very glad I was able to give them their last goodbye. My sisters are all ticked off, saying I always have to get MY way. They didn't hear one damn thing that this was for DAD DAD DAD. There is karma. They each have one child, and a spouse who is more than a decade older than are they. Someday they will likely bury their spouse. ...


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I could use a hug and some sympathetic outrage. (Original Post) DebJ Sep 2015 OP
I'm sorry for your loss. Joe Shlabotnik Sep 2015 #1
So sorry about your loss and having to deal with the family Live and Learn Sep 2015 #2
I hope you feel better now SCantiGOP Sep 2015 #3
sorry to hear of your loss tomm2thumbs Sep 2015 #4
I am so glad you fought for this. murielm99 Sep 2015 #5
You did great, looking after your dad. His needs were the most important ones at this time, so underahedgerow Sep 2015 #6
What a wonderful response! sunnystarr Sep 2015 #9
I think it's important to remember that funerals are for the living. Those who have passed don't underahedgerow Sep 2015 #13
I'm not upset about the sister not attending the funeral. DebJ Sep 2015 #15
The living ... and Respect sunnystarr Sep 2015 #16
I am sorry for the loss of your mother, DebJ, brer cat Sep 2015 #7
I'm so sorry for your loss... magical thyme Sep 2015 #8
I'm so very sorry for your loss, DebJ. I'm also glad you fought for your dad. catbyte Sep 2015 #10
Thanks everyone. DebJ Sep 2015 #11
I'm so sorry for your loss, DebJ. mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #12
I'm sorry for your loss. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #14
Big HUGE Hugs Deb ... sunnystarr Sep 2015 #17
My condolences to you on this profound loss. kairos12 Sep 2015 #18
my 2 MEAN cousins did that to my Sis and I when our Aunt passed away trueblue2007 Sep 2015 #19
AND... I AM SO SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS. God Bless you during your time of sorrow. trueblue2007 Sep 2015 #20
I too am sorry Worried senior Sep 2015 #21
Hugs to you LiberalEsto Sep 2015 #22
Thanks. n/t DebJ Sep 2015 #23
I am glad you fought for your Dad. I'm so terribly sorry for your tremendous loss DebJ auntAgonist Sep 2015 #24
How nice for your Dad that you could give him this wonderful gift. n/t DebJ Sep 2015 #25
So sorry for your loss DebJ CrawlingChaos Sep 2015 #26
Thank you. DebJ Sep 2015 #27
DebJ, I neglected to tell you that you would be most welcome in the Bereavement Group on DU auntAgonist Sep 2015 #28
Thanks. I just found that group after I posted the OP. I never knew it was there before. n/t DebJ Sep 2015 #29
Very sorry for your loss btrflykng9 Sep 2015 #30

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
1. I'm sorry for your loss.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 02:17 AM
Sep 2015

Oddly enough my own grandfather just passed away about 24 hours ago, he was 97. What you may find odder yet is that tomorrow I'm going in to make arrangements for him (because I used to be the licensed Funeral Director in the family)(so actually people call me when their cat dies too), but I won't be attending his visitation or funeral. Largely because of family politics, and party because my job is demanding 110% of me. So I have a feel for the bizarre family dynamics that come to play when a death occurs, both personally and in my experience as an undertaker. Its tough. Its sad. But it is different for everyone. And hopefully this Karma of which you speak is true.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
3. I hope you feel better now
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 04:30 AM
Sep 2015

Writing this out had to provide you with some relief.
I lost both my parents within 8 months of each other about 10 years ago. They were also married more than 60 years. The loss still hits me at times. I'm glad all of your memories of them sound so positive and full of love.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
4. sorry to hear of your loss
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 04:44 AM
Sep 2015

Sometimes there are no right answers and I won't pretend to offer one. I do think that your feelings for what occurred are real and that you have a lot of strength to have handled both the family dynamics and the loss of your mom together at a difficult time. Everyone wants certain things at their end and it would be sad if your mom's wishes were not honored.

Again, sorry to learn of your loss and hopefully your father was able to move forward at this sad moment through the efforts you provided.

and a big <<< HUG >>>> out your way!!!

murielm99

(30,733 posts)
5. I am so glad you fought for this.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 04:46 AM
Sep 2015

I understand about family dynamics. It is a shame that sister has power of attorney. You may have to keep a close eye out for your father's continuing welfare.

I am sorry for your loss. Your mother sounds wonderful, and so does your dad. Stay strong.

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
6. You did great, looking after your dad. His needs were the most important ones at this time, so
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:26 AM
Sep 2015

hats off to you.

You put your dad's needs before anyone else's, even your own and it's great that you pushed that through. Everyone reacts differently to loss and grief, and perhaps your sister is the type that gets on with the business of it all before getting into the sentiment needed. It doesn't make her a bad person, we all just react differently.

At the end of the day, you all coordinated it together and they did the best they could, but you did the right things ultimately for your Dad, and the final result is all that matters. Yeah, she could have called you first, that would have been more appropriate for sure, but she didn't and it can't be undone. Is there any point to hashing it out right now while everything is still all jumbled up? Nah, let it pass. When things have settled down, maybe in a passing conversation you could bring it up again if you need to hear the right answer, but for now maybe it's best to focus on your Dad and your own loss of a dearly loved and missed Mom. It sounds like they were lovely people, you're really fortunate. Big hugs for your loss...

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
9. What a wonderful response!
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:33 AM
Sep 2015

I echo your words and sentiments and advice.

That being said .....

That sister didn't go to her Mom's funeral ?!?!?!

There is NO excuse, aside from being hospitalized or imprisoned, for that disrespect in a family. While one is free to skip the funerals of extended family members or friends (at least in public opinion), the buck has to stop at immediate family members ... and among those, most importantly YOUR PARENTS!! I'm so appalled.

Why isn't that the real outrage here? There are many reasons why someone isn't informed first. Usually it's that the first notified may not be in their right frame of mind when it comes to their immediate actions after the news because they're trying to process what has happened. So we give a little slack.

Not attending your Mom's funeral !!???!!! There are no words fit for public consumption.

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
13. I think it's important to remember that funerals are for the living. Those who have passed don't
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:55 AM
Sep 2015

know from and they're not offended and don't know of this 'disrespect'.

There is no need for outrage over such a simple thing. This is a time of loss and mourning and caring for the living. Outrage serves no purpose and accomplishes nothing. The only thing to be done here is to look towards tomorrow and remember the joys of the past.
Nothing 'happened' because the funeral wasn't attended by someone, even a daughter. It just was what it was. If the sister had an issue with the whole proceedings and chose not to go, that's her choice, I wouldn't judge her on it. I tend to prefer a memorial celebration of sorts rather than gathering around a body, that's my own preference.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
15. I'm not upset about the sister not attending the funeral.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 01:09 PM
Sep 2015

Initially I was shocked, because personally there is nothing except being unconscious that would have kept me from my own mother's funeral. But I got over that..... this sister has almost never visited my parents in 40 years.... I'd say maybe 3 times. The rest of the time they saw her, in their 60s and 70s, they had to drive 4 hours to get to her house, and they did that many times.. it was either that, or they wouldn't see her. She often didn't call or return Mom's calls for months at a time. Two of my 3 sisters are like that and if they didn't look just like my parents I'd think they didn't come from the same gene pool. One time about 6 years ago I went with my parents on a 12 hour train ride from WV to Chicago (overnighter and you cannot sleep at all), then drove in a car all the way across the state to western Illinois to see the sister that didn't come to the funeral. We checked into a hotel upon arriving there, and called her. This visit had been planned months in advance. When we called her, she said they could squeeze out about 2 hours for a visit that afternoon. Mom says okay we are staying the night we will come back tomorrow. She says, no, I don't have time for any more of a visit. So the next day we drove on to Wisconsin to spend the rest of a 10 day trip with the other sister. That was the only visit in 15 years.


I was upset because they wished to deny my father a chance to meet with friends and family and feel their love and support with any type of a memorial service...it was to be just 15 minutes of prayer, and put her in the mausoleum, and that was it. And I was upset because I had to fight for this for a full day, and was being treated pretty nasty for daring to bring it up, as if this was an outrageous, unheard of thing, and treated even worse for continuing to push and push and push.

My point exactly was that this was for my FATHER, for the living, not for my Mom nor my sisters.


And I was upset about the Facebook posting.... I do NOT want to find out about my father's passing in the near future via a Facebook post.

I will continue to feel that it was outrageous for my sisters to attempt to remove a memorial service from my father's grieving process, to want to keep him isolated and alone, which is the goal of the sister he lives with.... she has flat out said that. When they moved to her home 20 months ago or so, they were incredibly isolated. She wouldn't spend any time with them, wouldn't even answer direct questions when their paths crossed in the house, stayed as far away from them as she could for 10 months until her husband interceded. She wouldn't help them get adjusted to their new town, introduce them around, try to get them involved in local activities to replace what they had done in their former home. I listed on the phone, long-distance, for all this time as my parents minds rapidly fell apart from disuse and isolation, and as my mom's heart cracked as she faced the daily rejection of a daughter who wouldn't even answer a direct question. She moved in with this sister because she trusted her, and wanted to make up for lost years not shared together. Very sad.
My sister can't hurt her anymore now.

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
16. The living ... and Respect
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 01:55 PM
Sep 2015

From the OP:

The last 25 years, I didn't have a Mom and a Dad. I had MomDad, one entity. She breathed in, he breathed out. They were never separated except a few nights when DAd went into the hospital. When Mom went in the nursing home in April, he was by her side from 730 am to dark every day, for over four months. He told my husband he wanted to make sure he was always the first person she saw when she awoke. They held hands all day long, for months, him in a chair by her side, her in bed, or he pushed her in her wheelchair. When he had to go home to sleep at night, he lay on top of the blankets, and wouldn't get underneath them, and explained that he wouldn't do so again unless she was home with him again.


Maybe you wouldn't judge her for her choice but the rest of our society would and should. While her Mom is gone her Dad needed her. It was a time to mourn with her family - a time for family unity. There were less than 10 people there - I assume mostly family. Of course there wasn't much time for anyone else to be aware of the calling hours.

We all have a responsibility to our form of society. The main ones, birth, marriage and death, have rules within everyone's own sub-culture.



Respect

politeness, honour, and care shown toward someone or something that is considered important:

(example) You really should treat your parents with more respect.

Pay your last respect

to honour someone after their death, usually by going to the person's funeral:

(example) Friends and relatives came to pay their last respects to Mr Clarke.


http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pay-your-respects



Notice we call it paying your last respect. Not being there in family unity to support her Dad is cruel. When I read about his devotion to the love of his life I had to grab the tissues. But I can see this sister stand firm and think ... "Fine you can have your fuckin calling hours but I won't be there." Everyone else be damned. I'm assuming she was there for the actual burial but who knows. She will deservedly be judged for it. She needs to learn R-E-S-P-E-C-T!

brer cat

(24,560 posts)
7. I am sorry for the loss of your mother, DebJ,
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:50 AM
Sep 2015

and that you had to deal with conflicting family opinions at the time. I think you did the absolute right thing to give your Dad what he needed and wanted. Retelling the stories and seeing his beautiful bride a last time were important to his grief process, and you were kind and loving to give him that time.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
8. I'm so sorry for your loss...
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:13 AM
Sep 2015

You did right in making sure your Dad got to say good-bye to his love. Who knows what was going on in your sister's heads and hearts....try to let it go. In the end, you Mom got a proper goodbye.

catbyte

(34,374 posts)
10. I'm so very sorry for your loss, DebJ. I'm also glad you fought for your dad.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:46 AM
Sep 2015

You and your dad are in my thoughts.

mnhtnbb

(31,384 posts)
12. I'm so sorry for your loss, DebJ.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:54 AM
Sep 2015

Kudos for you doing the right thing so your dad had time and opportunity to say goodbye.

Dealing with family can be very frustrating when people aren't on the same page.

Here's a hug for you.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
14. I'm sorry for your loss.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 12:32 PM
Sep 2015

I am also sorry for the family strife.

I know you miss your mom terribly, and I know it's hard to believe, but it will get better with time. My mom died seven years ago.

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
17. Big HUGE Hugs Deb ...
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 02:00 PM
Sep 2015

sorry I got carried away with the other issues. Thank God your Dad had you by his side to fight for the closure he needed. I know your Mom is proud! My condolences for your loss.

trueblue2007

(17,205 posts)
19. my 2 MEAN cousins did that to my Sis and I when our Aunt passed away
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 03:39 PM
Sep 2015

we had been on telephone communication all the time prior to her death but they posted it on facebook and didn't even call us.

about that... needless to say my sis and i don't communicate with those 2 cousins anymore but other things happened after my aunt died to cause the I WON'T TALK WITH YOU AGAIN situation that now exists.

your sister WAS WRONG!!! I would be angry with her.

Worried senior

(1,328 posts)
21. I too am sorry
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 04:11 PM
Sep 2015

for you loss but very proud of you for fighting for your dad.

It sounds like he would have been devastated without being able to say his final goodbye. Their love sounds amazing.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
22. Hugs to you
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:05 PM
Sep 2015

and my condolences on the loss of your mother.



I think you did right by your father.

Heaven knows what was going on in your sisters' heads, but the way they behaved stinks. You should not have had to deal with their b.s. at the same time that you were just starting to deal with the loss of your mother.

Not now, but maybe in a month or two, find out what your father's wshes are and get everything on paper so they don't have the opportunity to do this again.

auntAgonist

(17,252 posts)
24. I am glad you fought for your Dad. I'm so terribly sorry for your tremendous loss DebJ
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 06:21 PM
Sep 2015

What a beautiful relationship you had with your Mom.

I feel visitations are necessary for a lot of people. Some disagree and that's ok too.

When my Mum passed away my Dad thought he didn't want a viewing. I worked in the funeral home and spoke to him gently of why I thought it important that he at least should have that final goodbye. He agreed and the deal was that if he felt after viewing her that he would have her casket closed to other viewing then that's what would happen.
You see, my Dad was afraid. For months my Mum had lingered and he saw her as so ill, he didn't want anyone else to see her that way.

My thought and goal was for him to see her in a much better light. I did the prep - dressing, hair and make-up for my Mum and when the time came only my Dad and I went in to view her. He immediately broke down and thanked me for giving him back the woman he loved.

I wanted him to remember her in beauty not in sickness.

He asked that the casket remain open for the rest of the visitation and proudly escorted his friends to view his bride.
She looked so pretty in death.

I'm sorry, I got off track and this isn't about me at all. I understand your need and your father's need to have that special time.

Your sisters might not realize it but they have been hurtful and selfish. I'm glad you fought for your Dad.

My sincerest condolences to you and yours. May the memories you hold dear fill your heart with joy in the days to come.

Your DadMom raised a wonderful daughter.

sincerely.
aA
kesha

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
26. So sorry for your loss DebJ
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 05:35 AM
Sep 2015

Losing your mom is easily one of the most traumatic events in life. The emotions are overwhelming and you need to be very good to yourself now. You'll be okay, but I know it hurts a lot.

So sorry for the family conflicts too. As if the grieving wasn't hard enough.

auntAgonist

(17,252 posts)
28. DebJ, I neglected to tell you that you would be most welcome in the Bereavement Group on DU
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:39 AM
Sep 2015

Lots of wonderful caring friends there.

aA
kesha

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