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Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 08:13 PM Sep 2015

Is this a lawyer thing, or is it just a local peculiarity?

Last edited Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:55 AM - Edit history (2)

My community has a history of legal troubles that were made worse by lawyers who, among other ethical considerations, did not declare their conflicts of interest. Because they live in the city it makes for interesting human dynamics since you never know when you're going to bump into one of them. Once, I walked into my daughter's school program and saw a lawyer who, I sincerely believed, failed to declare his personal and business conflicts when he tried to represent our HOA. I shared this information with my neighbors at a HOA meeting, and to my consternation, did not get the reaction I expected. As difficult as that experience was for me, it was the moment that I realized that my community was infiltrated with members of the good ole boy network that exists in this city.

So, properly put in my place, I withdrew and tried to keep a low profile for years for the sake of my children. But, there were still those school events to attend and, sure enough, I walked into a venue once and saw a couple of them across the room. I had no intention of approaching them, and, indeed, tried to find a spot elsewhere in the room. But the reaction from the two was distressing to me. Once they spotted me they looked around nervously, looking for allies, as if they thought I was going to do something rash. It was a double insult, not just because I felt victimized by the devious events that took place a decade earlier, but their reaction communicated to me that I was now branded, "dangerous," like a wounded animal. I found it very offensive and demoralizing.

But here's the behavior that concerns me the most: Years later, I was finishing up at the counter at the post office and turned around to leave. In the long line was the lawyer's wife. I didn't know she was there until she stepped out and practically blocked my way. She had this broad smile and friendly demeanor like we were old friends. I was shocked. Here is someone that belonged to a network that helped turn me into a pariah, and now she was going out of her way for a face to face confrontation.

I didn't change my pace. Just kept my eye on her as I walked around her. Didn't utter a word.

Only later did it occur to me that if I had been hot-headed, as many were in my city back in the nineties, I would have given her an event that she could have used to show that she was the injured party, which couldn't be further from the truth. It shook me to think that they could be that deliberate.

Recently, I saw another lawyer do the same thing. Now, I'm not sure of all of the neighborhood dynamics because this is not a friendly community and even if you did talk to someone, no one will admit they know anything about any of the devious contrivances that are common. So, I can only try to interpret what I witnessed.

This lawyer approached a couple who, as I once did, dared to address the good ole boy improprieties in this neighborhood. They were walking by her house when she went out of her way to engage them in conversation. She used the same friendly demeanor as the lawyer who stepped out of the post office line to speak to me.

It was odd, especially when the couple kept walking, though they appeared sociable and civil. She kept pace with them a little ways. I wondered if they knew that they were in range of a security camera that was recently installed by one of the neighbors that are part of her cabal by extension.

Nothing happened. The couple passed the test. But, I couldn't help getting the feeling how many of us are judged like dogs in a dog show that have to go through a conformation test. They have to stand poised, while the judge grabs their balls. If you move, you're disqualified.

Anyway, are these contrived social interactions common in the lawyer field? Because, if it is, they should start their own reality show. I admit I'm intrigued.

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Is this a lawyer thing, or is it just a local peculiarity? (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 OP
As uncomfortable as you are, HeiressofBickworth Sep 2015 #1
It's like this every where. Some networks are easier to spot than others. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #3
I'm a lawyer so I am biased nadine_mn Sep 2015 #2
Thank you for your honest perspective. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #4
Me too, and I concur. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #5
are you sure you just don't have a lawyer phobia? Skittles Sep 2015 #6
I base my opinion on a voluminous pile of resources. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #7
I work for attorneys and it just depends. I find the problem is more mackerel Sep 2015 #8
There is definitely a fiduciary problem with the HOAs. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #9
I wouldn't disagree with you there. mackerel Sep 2015 #10

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
1. As uncomfortable as you are,
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 08:49 PM
Sep 2015

why are you still living there? For myself, I would find it intolerable to have to look over my shoulder every time I left the house.

I think you have discovered that there is little to nothing you can do as an individual to change things. Standing for election to local office seems to be a doomed effort before even started.

I'm afraid I have no answers for you but I wish you luck in your current situation.

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
3. It's like this every where. Some networks are easier to spot than others.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:55 PM
Sep 2015

I understand what you're saying. Over the course of the years, the reasons to stay outnumbered the reasons to leave. When you add a rental we lived in briefly that was located in another school zone, this house that we settled in became the third school in a one year period for one of my children. It was too many changes in too short a period of time. And then our other child settled in and loved the whole school experience. So, we stayed firm.

We were rewarded by staying when we were able to refinance our house to pay off their college tuition at a time when everyone else was underwater. Another plus.

And, now, this is home. And, frankly, with the acute eye I now have to spot these intriguing social-political circles it wouldn't take me long to figure out the next place.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
2. I'm a lawyer so I am biased
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:29 PM
Sep 2015

nah - we aren't all dickwads

Just that the ones that are dickwads, are really, really good at it. They are good at working the system. I am sorry you are experiencing this nasty behavior.

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
4. Thank you for your honest perspective.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 09:58 PM
Sep 2015

I am right, though. This would make great t.v. Here are a few potential titles:

Lawyers of Central Florida
L.A. Lawyers
Lawyers of the Bayou

I'm telling you, the concept would sell.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,679 posts)
5. Me too, and I concur.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:31 PM
Sep 2015

Most lawyers are decent folks, but the ones that are douchebags tend to be spectacularly terrible people. They know how to abuse the system and aren't easily intimidated. Dickwad lawyers are one major reason I went into another line of work.

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
7. I base my opinion on a voluminous pile of resources.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:05 PM
Sep 2015

There are several legal complaints that will back up the strange things that occurred here.

mackerel

(4,412 posts)
8. I work for attorneys and it just depends. I find the problem is more
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 11:48 PM
Sep 2015

the kind of people that get involved with HOA's.

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
9. There is definitely a fiduciary problem with the HOAs.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 01:20 AM
Sep 2015

And, I hate to tell you, but lawyers aren't helping the situation, IMHO.

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