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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsI am fucking sick of classic fucking rock!
Shit sucked then and sucks now. Why does it have to be playing everywhere? The supermarket, the Gym, the tavern I hang out in, the coffee shop, the dollar store, the AM/PM, every fucking where I have to endure Lynrd skynrd, Steve Miller, Eagles and all that music that sucked way back when and sucks even more today.
Seriously there has been a lot of amazing music since the 80's, yet you would think that Journey was the end all of end alls.
FUCK THAT SHIT.
rug
(82,333 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)shanti
(21,675 posts)that is all
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Equals, The Spectrum
The music channel of my favorite Saturday hang-out, and thus why I listen to Bill Nelson and Niyaz almost exclusively in order to have something of great quality to hear and enjoy.
Although I was rather shocked to hear them playing Rage Against the Machine and the cut "Killing in the Name" with the refrain 'Fuck you I won't do what you tell me!' It was so out of character for the channel that I thought the cafe owners had finally picked a decent channel. And then they played some lame-ass adult alternative right after. I suspect I won't hear them air that cut ever again though. Boomer-parents can be rather uptight
aidbo
(2,328 posts)my late husband was a bass player in a cover band and there was never a gig when someone did not shout this request.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Donkees
(31,385 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)and thank you!
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Lochloosa
(16,063 posts)hibbing
(10,097 posts)I do not need to hear Hotel California ever again in my life, let alone all the other songs in constant rotation that are the same ones they were playing when I was in junior high. I certainly do not have a peaceful easy feeling, more like fingernails on a chalkboard.
Peace
Iggo
(47,549 posts)My problem with it is that I used it to learn to play the guitar.
Now every time I hear those opening notes, I'm all "Yep. Got it. Next!"
ProfessorGAC
(65,000 posts). . .are the songs with guitar parts where i say "Yep, got it. Next!" But, i never even learned the song. Didn't need to. I could play the thing in my head so easily, without ever picking up the guitar, that it was already tedious. Think "Stranglehold". Never played it. Never needed to. Could have done every part the first time by playing along to the record, without practice.
Of course, that may be a bad example. It's Ted Nugent. He can't play none.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)why the hell would they think we want to listen to it now? They always picked the absolute WORST song on an album to release on a single and that's now labeled as "Classic rock."
Kali
(55,007 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)in the gym I go to. Give me something where the people involved can actually play their own instruments, sing without autotune and write their own songs any day of the week.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)zanana1
(6,112 posts)repetitive and the lyrics just aren't there. Lame.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)lastlib
(23,216 posts)mike in raleigh
(59 posts)I used to feel the same way, being a big prog-rock fan back in the day. Still, I'd occasionally hang out in the clubs where disco was played. And then one night in the late 70's I heard the DJ playing some shit with a guy talking (not singing) about rappin' to the beat, Lincoln Continentals and sunroof Cadillacs over a pre-recorded riff. Rap, they called it. Little did I know that that was the beginning of the end of the world as we knew it. Those of us who jumped on the "Disco Sucks" bandwagon, maybe we should have kept our mouths shut. If only we had known what was coming...
lastlib
(23,216 posts)...and now they put N-f*ckin'-W-f*ckin'-A in the f*ckin'-Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame! And (again) screwed over the MOODY BLUES, fergawdsakes! (among others!) SHHEE-IT!
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)...is that the "good stuff" got played on the radio (and got signed to major labels) back then. Today, you have to dig deeper. Sure, there was plenty of utter crap "back in the day," too...but better music got mainstream attention that it doesn't receive much of today. That's true even among synth-oriented musicians. There's some great electronic-based stuff out there...but good luck finding it on a major label (or in the gym).
A recent favorite of mine, Bridear, are an all-female power metal band from Japan. Play their own instruments? Check (and brilliantly). No autotune? Check, even when Kimi's reach exceeds her grasp, vocally...they're honest. Their own songs? Check, and their songwriting is amazing, with compelling hooks and change-ups that still stay "metal" (that is, they're not a pop band who turn up their guitars real loud!).
And they record loud. Why does that matter? Well...a lot of stuff in this genre of late has obviously been recorded at speaking volumes, with amp modelers, one instrument at a time. Bridear are pretty obviously recording at gig volume (you can hear room resonances, etc., if you have good enough speakers or headphones). You don't get that perfect, "black background" clarity of sound that way...but you also don't get a certain sterility that afflicts a lot of modern power metal, either. Bridear's studio stuff is clean enough (largely because they play so accurately...very high musicianship level), but still sounds like it's being played in a smoky, slightly sketchy club...like metal is supposed to sound!
A hugely-refreshing change from the direction much of modern metal has gone (boring nu-metal with Cookie Monster vocals and sludgy, drop-tuned generic riffs). To wit:
we can do it
(12,184 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)vanlassie
(5,670 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)vanlassie
(5,670 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)Art? If it's there, it's there by accident. Also (usually) the melody has to stand by itself. If you play the melody line on a piano and it sounds boring and corny, it's boring and corny.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)GreydeeThos
(958 posts)My I suggest Eric Clapton playing "I Shot the Sherriff" ?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Not this "Soft Rock"...stuff!
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)You'll go nuts from "Nostalgie!"
mackerel
(4,412 posts)and I was happy.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)of how when they were dating, my uncle took her to a Clash show and she made him take her home after about 3 songs because it was too loud. I can't even fathom leaving a show I paid for but SERIOUSLY can't fathom leaving a Clash show early. It hurts my concert-going bones when she brings that up. lol
catbyte
(34,374 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Disliking classic rock is too broad a brush. I can say I strongly dislike corporate rock.
RobinA
(9,888 posts)I'm from the '70's and I love '70's music. But I do not have to hear Maggie May, a song I loved at one time, ever again in my life. Hell, Rod Stewart did some great stuff, why is Maggie May played every five minutes when there's all kinds of not played-to-death music to fill the Rod Stewart spot. Give me a Gasoline Alley now and then.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)I tend to get Muzak or millennial pop.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)They mostly play new stuff, with some Cure and Smiths thrown in there.
But. yeah, how many times in one lifetime can you listen to some of these fucking songs? Even great Stones and Zeppelin and Beatles songs get old of you've heard them multi-hundreds of times.
I think it's sad when people only listen to the stuff that they liked in high school.
I'm always finding new songs and new bands I love.
I hated Journey and REO Speedwagon back them and they sure haven't gotten any better over time.
DinahMoeHum
(21,784 posts)from this soon-to-be 60-yr-old Boomer.
WXPK-FM 107.1 "The Peak" is my main station. From 60's music to millenials, with local bands added.
http://www.1071thepeak.com/
MH1
(17,600 posts)I don't hate "classic rock", I like some of it quite a lot. But what I like isn't what's usually played on the "classic rock" station.
I basically go back and forth between the classic rock station and the alternative rock station, with a little more time spent on the latter. Especially since for some strange reason the classic rock station decided that we should hear all about the Beatles every freakin' morning (during my drive time).
nadine_mn
(3,702 posts)I swear - I feel the urge to slap the crap out people who say their era (usually the 60's- mid 80s) was the end of good music and everything else is shit.
How ignorant is that? That just for a few decades in a millennia there were a handful of people who were great and poof all the music talent is gone forever? And there was plenty of shit music "back in the day" - you may not remember it because it isn't on constant loop on the radio or on compilation albums.
We are in a great age of music- the internet and emerging technology has made it possible for music of all genres to be heard by anyone, anywhere. People who may never have had a chance of having their 'demo tape' played on the local station can now have thousands of followers on you tube.
I try to give every type of music a shot - I listen to the trending playlists on spotify (except country - don't ask why...I will listen to literally every other type of music except country), listen to different decades when I feel nostalgic, different genres when I feel adventurous. Sure there is a lot of music I don't care for, which is why finding a new (to me at least) artist I love is so fricking fantastic and exciting. I can't imagine just being stuck in my high school time warp of music forever and missing out on the great talent that is out there.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)I discover new music through a lot of methods, including pandora, spotify, and last.fm, and also I look up songs and bands I like on youtube and see what other songs and bands they link to. I get a free download from the alternative station every week. The Internet fucking ROCKS, literally and figuratively.
I also go back and mine older decades for music that I never knew about when I was 18 or 25 or 37. Like, I always loved jangle pop, so early REM stuff can lead me to a British band called the Close Lobsters, who I never heard of in the 80s but would have loved had I known ... that kind of stuff.
And I'm with you on country music. I grew up having to listen to it and that is more than enough for one lifetime, thank you very much. Yes there are some country acts that are okay, but it just ain't my thing.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)But fer crissakes, Van Morrison did a couple of other songs besides "Brown Eyed Girl" and "Moondance." The Who catalog consists of more than "Won't Get Fooled Again." The Rolling Stones weren't just a one-off with "Satisfaction."
And so forth.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)here they are doing it on SNL in 1978 - sadly, the video is unavailable but the audio is good
progressoid
(49,983 posts)Love that too.
I made a CD for a friend of about 15 covers of Satisfaction. Devo, Aretha, Britney Spears, Jose Feliciano, Incredible Bongo Band and even...
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)I need to get more Oscar Peterson
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)BTW< this is not the best version they did, 10-10-82, Frost is the best, but not on You Tube.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Willamette Week has a little Q&A feature called Dr. Know, who just this week illuminates why classic rock stations play the same songlists:
http://www.wweek.com/2016/01/27/dr-know-radio-ga-ga/
Ernest & Julio Down by the Schoolyard
It's not that I don't trust you, Ernest, butpartly to be able to say I was "doing research" while passed out in my car at Denny'sI switched my radio to KWLZ (96.3), the Eagle (106.7) and Charlie (97.1) to see what's up.
I learned two things: First, losing my customary pickup line, "BBC World Service and chill?" didn't change my social life much either way; and second, oldies radio is almost as repetitive as hits radio. Is there some kind of wormhole connecting Top 40 to oldies, such that every Taylor Swift is balanced by an equal and opposite Grand Funk Railroad?
Local program directors weren't talking. That doesn't surprise Steve Warren, longtime music-radio consultant and author of every program director's favorite one-handed read, The Programming Operations Manual.
Warren says stations spend tens of thousands secretly developing the perfect playlist. "Every station wants to be playing 'the best songs,'" he says. That means the most familiar and highest-rated, as determined by focus-group dial testing.
But testing is spendy. Say you can afford to test 300 "hooks" (a typical number, Warren says). Great! Now, the entire universe of popular songs consists of three groups: 100 songs that tested well, 200 that tested not as well, and approximately 1 gajillion that you didn't test at all.
If you're a program director, your smart move is to keep playing those 100 highly rated songs. If the ratings tank, at least it won't be your fault for taking a chance on untested material. (If you want to hear oldies deep cuts, check out KISN-FM 95.1.)
Of course, none of this explains howjudging by airplaywe apparently think "Centerfold" by the J. Geils Band is the Greatest Song of All Time. Portland: the thinking man's Spokane.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)"Of course, none of this explains howjudging by airplaywe apparently think "Centerfold" by the J. Geils Band is the Greatest Song of All Time. Portland: the thinking man's Spokane."
Avalux
(35,015 posts)I'm sitting in the waiting area and I can hear "Free Bird" wafting through the room. As if that wasn't bad enough, I had to endure a variety of bad rock music, including Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, and the Eagles. It was excruciatingly painful and I would have given anything for headphones.
progressoid
(49,983 posts)You'll be in the waiting room about to have your colonoscopy and hear this
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)Hometown hero and all that.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)Want to start playing this one and "Rapper's Delight". I'm a blues harp player so they can have at it. What is funny is that the bassist only knows one song with the harmonica in it, Low Rider by War, which I refuse to play. (Not because I don't like it, but it is not jamming enough and is played with harps I don't have through gear I don't have.)
kentauros
(29,414 posts)pokerfan
(27,677 posts)sammythecat
(3,568 posts)jpak
(41,757 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,366 posts)Damned whipper snappers wouldn't know good music if it landed on your toes
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)I would call this a great example classic rock. I don't think the music of the nineties have produced much of anything that is better caliber.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)I hated the 70s music so much that I loved when Disco became mainstream. It was a musical void from Motown's high point to Disco. And don't even get me started on the emergence of Alternative Music. Blechorama.
Of course, my musical tastes mirror Seth MacFarlane's (and always have), so I'm not in the mainstream. But Classic Rock/Soft Rock is repulsive. I wish they'd discover Bossa Nova to replace all the horrid nonstop public "music" but I have a theory. They know this stuff is shit and want to punish us. Nothing else makes sense.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,568 posts)and you'll rarely hear i t......
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)ashling
(25,771 posts)Michelle
Brandy
Suzi Q
Peggy Lou
Sherry
Hang on Sloopy
Wolf Frankula
(3,600 posts)All they play is Led Zeppelin, ACDC, KISS, Van Halen with a little Steve Miller. Every few hours they will play some Beatles, Lennon/McCartney solo, Skynyrd (either Freebird or Sweet Home Alabama, Nothing else.) They may play some Hendrix, but always interrupt the song with Van Halen before it's done.
Wolf
mvd
(65,173 posts)Love everything from Beatles to Simon & Garfunkel to Jim Croce to Bob Dylan to Fleetwood Mac to Rolling Stones to Joni Mitchell to the Beach Boys to Paul Revere & the Raiders - just can't get enough of it. Radio doesn't always play the best songs.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)Where I cannot unlisten when I am working out in the weight area.
Steve (that non playing motherfucker) Miller: Dance, Dance, Dance (more like retch retch retch)
The Cars. (Worst band ever)
AC/DC Highway to Hell (Where I am sure this song plays non stop)
Van Halen (some stupid shit I can't remember)
Bob Segar (the same song they play over and over again)
I bailed, cut my workout short and headed to the treadmill where I can play my own tunes.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,338 posts)Classic Rock sounds pretty good, compared to that.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)One of the TV's on the big bank of TV's is always set to FOX (not really the) news. Another to HGTV, and two to ESPN. I watch, gives me a new perspective but I gotta say I bet I piss people off with my comments. I worked out during the debate and that was something. I also watch a good looking couple remodel a house. And all the excitement and hoopla about the Pro Bowl, NCAA basketball and the upcoming battle for second best NBA team.
Ask me anything.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)How, you may ask while digging out a freshly-covered grave in the dead of night with your trusty sidekick Igor.
It could be Christian Adult Contemporary
A HERETIC I AM
(24,366 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)Woof!
A HERETIC I AM
(24,366 posts)gvstn
(2,805 posts)The music might sound better.
Seriously though, when I drive to the beach, every radio station available goes classic rock becomes the only option about halfway there. Does every one down South live in the 70s?
T_i_B
(14,737 posts)The moment something (especially music) gets called "classic" it's become old.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)malthaussen
(17,187 posts)You mean Chuck Berry and Little Richard? Oh, I see, you mean that crap from the 70's. (Plenty of good sounds in the 70's, but oh, there was much crap).
-- Mal
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)I liked it then. I almost never tune into a classic rock station. It's not like they stopped making music in the 70's or 80's. There are, of course, exceptions, but most of it bores me anymore. It was then, a long time ago, and to be subjected to it for any extended period of time is just depressing.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)From the playlist of the "classic rock" stations ( when I'm forced to endure as a captive audience ) and by the people themselves who actually like those stations, is that the target audience are people who wish it was like...ohhh...1977, 1978 forever. Back before they became thoroughly domesticated lame-o's with 70 pounds of extra junk in the trunk.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)They play the bands that sold lots of records but weren't musicially at the top.
I consider Steve Miller to be mediocre, same with Styx, Van Halen, Aerosmith, Lynyrd Skynyrd. KISS is a joke.
The classic rock stations aren't playing the best of the Beatles, the Kinks, The Who, the Stones, and several other excellent bands.
I grew up listening to late 50s-60s-70s-80s. I pretty much gave up on rock when The Police broke up right after the Synchronicity tour in 83. And I really gave up after the late 80s and Robert Palmer's hits which I liked a lot.
I quit listening to new stuff when grunge and Nirvana hit.
I didn't like it that the critics didn't like progressive rock because EL&P and Yes had guys with excellent classical chops, which the critics called "pretentious". I think they were just jealous. They couldn't play "The Great Gate of Kiev" like EL&P did. Hell, the critics wouldn't even KNOW "Pictures at an Exhibition" in the first place or who Moussorgsky was.
As a piano player, the person I wanted to be like in college was Rick Wakeman, keyboard player of Yes and also solo artist.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Sounds onerous, dictatorial and oppressive. I can only imagine how bad it must really be.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)and is even safer today. Safe as vanilla.
I'm listening to Tangerine Dream's "Cusco - Tigris and Euphrates" - have a listen, it's just really nice, very Tangerine Dream:
astral
(2,531 posts)i love picking a station and hearing a bunch of good music i never heard before. i love picking genres i didnt know, like all the great (same!) vocalist stuff that i thought fuddy-duddy as a kid. i look at the names, i write them down, i realized i had heard of alot of artists i never even knew what they sounded like.
i am finding new young artists' stuff i really like, evenike some pf that country stuff sometimes. aside from the Dead and all the related combinations of them, i really don't know what it is i want to hear.
using both slacker and pandora, and am so sad to see live365 had to go off the air, they were the most amazing curated list of stations anywhere, ever.
you know, this change in how we do music can go both directions, freedom to hear new GOOD QUALITY stuff, or old worn out playlists of the songs we were sick of long ago.
we have to realize,we need to pay for our choices, to support our artists and the online venues that work hard to give it to us right. artists for the most part are losing money over internet streaming.
i am also guilty of wanting free music to hear offline, and it's still easy to get, but most of all, i want quality choices like live365 and am more than willing to pay them well for my reliable first-go-to music. and talk radio as well.
learning new favorite artists to listen to from all this online stuff is another topic for another thread. real radio stations, that play real music, with no commercials bc their listeners pay, its great to have constant new stuff to hear without having to try to figure out what you dont know in order to hear it.
because, like me (before!), this thread sounds like people are tired of being stuck in a rut with their listening preferences.
this is a topic i will continue to try to get going here, i want to know what 'most people' think.
btw i have 'inherited' a nice shape record collection and look forward to going analogue too! lots of stuff i know i like plus never heard items in there.
and, yeah, the oldy moldy stuff FROM THE 60SAND 70S is still fun to hear again -- ON OCCASION.