Game of Thrones 6.8 "No One" (spoiler alert)

[NewJeffCT]

Brienne confronts Jaime during the siege at Riverrun; Cersei delivers a defiant response; Tyrion's plan starts to come together; Arya is presented with a new challenge.

[Solly Mack]

1. Soon

Well, eventually soon.

[NewJeffCT]

2. It will be interesting

I have a feeling that things won't end well for Lancel and his crew after Cersei chooses violence.

[NewJeffCT]

4. The contents of Sansa's Letter

Spoiler alert - this is what was in the letter Sansa wrote last episode. Don't read if you don't want a potential surprise down the road.

http://www.businessinsider.com/sansa-starks-letter-game-of-thrones-2016-6

http://nerdist.com/tv-cap-who-sansa-wrote-that-letter-to-in-game-of-thrones/

[NewJeffCT]

5. The Broken Men speech

this was from the Book "A Feast for Crows" - it was told by Septon Meribald to Brienne. In the episode last week, while Ian McShane's character was unnamed, he was essentially the same character. Unfortunately, this great speech didn't make it into the show, when they had Ian McShane there to read it!

[NewJeffCT]

6. some articles from the past week

Is Lady Stoneheart coming?
http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/12/11906394/game-of-thrones-theory-lady-stoneheart-twist-season-six

Game of Thrones catering to the fans too much?
http://www.cinemablend.com/television/1523249/is-game-of-thrones-catering-too-much-to-the-fans-we-weigh-in

Margaery Tyrell?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/06/12/why-natalie-dormers-margaery-tyrell-is-game-of-throness-greatest/

HBO considering a spin-off?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2016/06/12/why-hbo-is-almost-certainly-considering-a-game-of-thrones-spin-off/#6c1464923775

[intrepidity]

7. Spin-off??? Oh please please please let it be "Better Call Bronn"

That would be awesome.

[NewJeffCT]

8. My guess

is that it will be a prequel - set around the time of Robert Baratheon's Rebellion against the Mad King.

[PoliticAverse]

29. Maybe it stars Gendry. Each episode he'll row to a different, interesting place...

and have an exciting adventure.

[Islandurp]

72. Wouldn't mind seen a spinoff with Dunk and Egg

[NewJeffCT]

9. Some GIFs and images

[BlancheSplanchnik]

95. :)

❤️

[NewJeffCT]

10. 2 hours to go

I need a break from reality after Orlando...

https://www.romper.com/p/who-is-lem-lemoncloak-on-game-of-thrones-he-may-play-a-big-role-12188

[Baitball Blogger]

11. Based on the title of this show I assume Arya's arc with

the faceless ones will be resolved tonight.

[NewJeffCT]

12. Titles usually have more than one meaning

last week - the Broken Man - could be Theon, could be Jamie, could be The Hound, or could be the nameless Septon played by Ian McShane.

we know Arya is "no one", but who else or what else could it be?

[NewJeffCT]

13. Only a few more minutes to go

till we get "previously on..."

[NewJeffCT]

14. here we go

no cold open this week - previously on and then the theme song.

[Solly Mack]

15. and so it begins

I hated seeing Arya stabbed again.

[NewJeffCT]

16. if you look, though

she has on kind of a leather belt that could have partially blocked the stabs?

[Solly Mack]

19. Perhaps, but there was blood. Maybe the cuts didn't go too deep.

[NewJeffCT]

17. back to the mummer's play

of King's Landing and Cersei

[Solly Mack]

18. Reminders of Joffrey's death give me the giggles.

[Solly Mack]

20. So she will be the one that helps Arya.

[NewJeffCT]

21. Yes

it looks that way, but will the Faceless Men come back to get both of them now?

[Solly Mack]

23. Maybe. Probably. I think someone from the past is showing up.

Maybe. Would be wonderful. Sort of.

[Solly Mack]

22. One good turn deserves another.

Arya remembers what milk of the poppy did to her father.

[Solly Mack]

24. and the Hound bites back.

[NewJeffCT]

25. wow

the Hound was pissed - takes out 4 men with barely breaking a sweat.

[Solly Mack]

26. Religion is nothing if not malleable.

Amenable

[Solly Mack]

27. Varys is going back - so that part of the book will probably play out.

Several deaths, that is to say.

[Solly Mack]

28. Lancel is an idiot

[Solly Mack]

30. That was short if not sweet. I would have killed them all.

[NewJeffCT]

31. I thought they'd all be dead

that's for sure

[Solly Mack]

32. Those two have a complicated relationship.

[NewJeffCT]

34. I thought Brienne had the Blackfish persuaded for a while

but, not quite. But, he does seem to respect her now

[Solly Mack]

40. She'll sneak out when he does. He'll go to Sansa.

[NewJeffCT]

41. when the siege breaks the walls

he'll do what he did in the books...

[Solly Mack]

42. Yes...and maybe she will too.

[Baitball Blogger]

64. Another case where we didn't see the death actually happen.

And Brienne was part of both of them.

[NewJeffCT]

65. good point

they said he's dead, but he could have escaped and the guy didn't want to convey the bad news to Jamie

[Baitball Blogger]

67. Or this may have been a case where the writers are trying to tone

down graphic violence. We'll put an ear to the internet pipes and see if anyone else agrees.

[Solly Mack]

33. Any bets on how long Kevan will live?

I'm guessing as long as it takes Varys to get back.

[NewJeffCT]

36. Tommen forbids Trial by Combat

So, no CleganeBowl.

[Solly Mack]

37. Yep. That's a big Oops for Cersei.

[Baitball Blogger]

45. Sounds like she found a loophole.

She must have seen this coming.

[Solly Mack]

47. Most likely

[WolverineDG]

86. Speculation

they found the rest of the wyldfire.

I have a feeling that KL is going to go >>BOOM<< by episode 10.

[Solly Mack]

35. Oops.

[NewJeffCT]

38. wow

quite the invasion fleet heading towards Meereen. Good thing Varys left.

[Solly Mack]

39. Ships! Handy!

[Baitball Blogger]

43. Someone give me the background on Caitland Stark's brother?

I don't remember him before now. Looks like the guy who plays the vicious jerk on Outlander.

[Solly Mack]

46. He got married at the Red Wedding. He married a Frey.

Heir to House Tully. Younger brother of both Catelyn and Lysa.
Hot headed, ineffectual for the most part - but he does do something good and he'll do it soon. Well, in the books he does...in the show? Who knows?

[Baitball Blogger]

62. That was the forced wedding, wasn't it?

[Solly Mack]

63. Yes, and no. He agreed to marry a Frey daughter as means of sealing the (albeit false) peace.

But the wedding turned ugly at the start of the bedding.

Edmure didn't know it was a trap. Nor did Robb or Catelyn. Still, Edmure agreed.

[Solly Mack]

44. Jaime is also an idiot. Cersei loves Cersei.

[Solly Mack]

48. They're killing the Blackfish off in the show?

Well, can strike him out in the books as important then.

Oh, OK. Sounds like maybe he isn't dead.

No body? Maybe not dead.

[Baitball Blogger]

66. It's strange that we didn't see him killed off.

But, I think I heard a comment somewhere that the writers are trying to tone down the gratuitous killing.

[Solly Mack]

68. I still need to see the body though.

He might not be dead.

[Baitball Blogger]

70. Yep. Agree.

[cemaphonic]

75. I dunno, those bandits that Sandor killed was pretty gory.

As was the mask at the end.

[PoliticAverse]

73. Then again in this show even dead isn't dead. n/t

[Solly Mack]

74. True.

[WolverineDG]

85. WTF was the point of bringing back the great character

if all that was going to happen was his death occurring off-screen?



They could just as easily put this in some exposition--Jaime leaves KL, then comes back & says "Yeah, I got Edmure to screw his uncle over & kill him."

I understand they wanted all their "war" budget for the Battle of the Bastards, but that whole story arc was unnecessary.

UNLESS the Black Fish is in the bottom of Brienne's boat.

[Solly Mack]

89. I know, right? What an excellent idea! (BF in the boat, under cover)

I'm not overly fond of the Blackfish (because of what he says/thinks about Jon in the books) but he was one of the better characters in the book to read about. (of all the people in and about the Trident)

I want to see more of his character on the show. I enjoy the actor (Clive Russell) who portrays him. Also because if someone from House Tully stands in the North, it allows for more people around the Trident to stand against the Freys, Lannisters, etc. It might give them the gumption to stand up against them.

[WolverineDG]

92. I'm also thinking that Edmure is playing a waiting game

see if Jaime lives up to his bargain of getting his son out of Frey hands & then using the Tully forces to pound the Freys into the dirt.

Of course, Edmure is a bit of a dumbass, so it's also probable that his uncle is dead & he's still captive to the Freys.

Tobias Menzies hasn't been seen much in this season's "Outlander," so it's possible that allows him to have a bigger role in this season's GOT.

[Solly Mack]

94. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Edmure is a dumbass. lol

I'd love to see the Frey's destroyed.

I've really enjoyed the GoT casting. Wonderful actors and actresses.

[Solly Mack]

49. Dragons! (guess)

Ha! Both...the Queen and her dragons

[Solly Mack]

50. Dondarrion!

[Solly Mack]

51. The Hound would gladly help Sansa.

So, go North! Go, North!

[WolverineDG]

87. Brienne meeting up with the Hound & the Brothers

tells them what's happening at Winterfell---they all head in that direction & end up being the saviors of the day.

I don't think Arya will be getting back to Westeros in time for the Battle of the Bastards, but she could be hooking up with Yara & Theon, who I suspect will be the ones who defeat the Masters sieging Mereen.

[Solly Mack]

90. Yara (Asha) and Theon could help do just that.

Strange bedfellows and all that, with the forming of alliances.

I don't think Arya would trust Theon. If he told her the truth - that he took over Winterfell and some of her people died, and that he murdered two young boys to take the place of her brothers, Arya might want to see Theon dead. Oh, she'd hate Ramsay more, and she would be glad Theon helped Sansa (in the show) - but Arya is very much her father's daughter. Her reaction, both in the books, and on the show, to Theon might not be pleasant.

If Dondarrion and the Hound do go North together, they both can tell Jon and Sansa what they know about Arya. They could also help Jon and Sansa - Beric would gladly help Jon once he knew Jon was considered the "chosen one". The Hound loved Sansa, and he still might. Well, in the books he seemed to love her.

Gonna be exciting no matter what.

[WolverineDG]

93. He did protect her from being gang-raped

knew what a shit Joffrey & Cersei were to her & she was always kind to him, so yeah, he'll help Sansa.

[Solly Mack]

52. Arya! That was odd. Who was that man? The waif.

[Solly Mack]

53. and who to the rescue? Who! Who! Who!

[Solly Mack]

54. That Waif is going to die.

[Solly Mack]

55. Ha! Ha! Ha!

[Solly Mack]

56. Course, if Arya is now faceless I will mourn.

[Solly Mack]

57. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yes!!!!!! Knew it! Yes!!!!!!!!!

[NewJeffCT]

58. Yes

I'm Arya Stark of Winterfell, and I'm going home.

[Solly Mack]

59. I hated the thought of her as one of the Faceless.

She's her father's daughter. She could only be a Stark.

[NewJeffCT]

60. Yes

her personality is too strong to ever become No One

[Solly Mack]

61. I think "Jaqen H'ghar" will allow her to go.

She bested her assassin, for one - fair is fair, and because of their history together.

Also, the Faceless God has his death.

[Baitball Blogger]

69. And he let her.

Do you think that was an outcome he was hoping for? He seemed a bit surprised.

[Solly Mack]

71. He seemed pleased to me.

I dunno. Got the feeling he was pleased with the outcome.

[Solly Mack]

76. I'm watching again because

Go, Arya!

and I did enjoy the Hound's humor and the other sparrow losing his head.

and I truly enjoyed the Waif dying and losing her face.

[Solly Mack]

77. I'm pretty sure I know what Cersei is planning but I can't help but imagine it'll go badly.

There's no controlling some things.

[Solly Mack]

78. Again, Jaime's loyalty is so misplaced. Cersei, of the books, doesn't love Jaime.

In the book Jaime sees her for what she is - at least a little. More than a little.

I think Jaime needs someone like Brienne but she's far too good for him.

House Tully. Still not convinced Blackfish dies. That look that passes between Edmure and his uncle is saying something - just don't know what exactly.

Jaime allows Brienne and Pod to escape. Archers could reach the boat had he called them.

Edmure would be forever hated for handing his uncle over. It is the same as kinslaying - which is a no no among those Houses still with honor. (which are few right now)

I wonder if it will be Brienne that kills Jaime in the end? (for the show)

As for the books, well....she is around for what very well could be his death. It's currently a question mark. I don't think he dies though, at that point and time - in the books.

If Daenerys and Tyrion and the Unsullied win the battle, they will have ships.

Varys can get more in Westeros. While he's doing other things.

I enjoy the Hound's humor and his current sense of loyalty and right and wrong, but I can't forget what he did to the boy.

He helped Sansa, no denying. He took care of Arya, no denying - but he was Joffrey's willing butcher. I can't forget that.

I much prefer him to his brother, however. If only Oberyn Martell wasn't showboating, the Mountain would be dead already.

I really like Dondarrion. I hope the Hound goes North with Beric and his group. Sansa could use him and he would die for her - and probably will.

I am thrilled the Waif dies. Arya had it all planned out - get chased, go to the spot she hid Needle - kill the Waif. Note how she honors Syrio Forel with the placement of Needle at her forehead - and then lobs off the flame. Arya doesn't need to see to fight.

Her first teacher was the first to teach her that. Fight with your ears. Maybe she wasn't good with a stick, but she's just fine with Needle.



Course, Arya wouldn't kill "Jaqen H'ghar" and I don't it because she couldn't - I think it because of their shared past.

He micro-smiles and nods - he approves.

I adore the Arya character. Should she eventually die I will be crushed.

[NewJeffCT]

79. They've made some changes to the Lannisters I'm not too happy with

on the show.

what you mentioned above with Jamie, and then we missed out of the Tyrion/Jamie falling out after Tyrion killed his father where Jamie confesses that Tysha really was a crofter's daughter, so Tyrion had a clean break from his family when he travels across the narrow sea.

[Solly Mack]

83. Yes! I wanted that exchange to be in the show. A clean break, as you say. The more removed Tyrion

is from the name, the better.

There's so much more depth to Tyrion in the books than in the show.

To Jaime, as well.

Cersei is as she is.

[NewJeffCT]

84. Yes

that is one of the differences between the show on the books - the characters have more depth in the books, but also have more shades of grey. Tyrion and Dany are mostly good on the show, while book Tyrion had the minstrel that was playing for Shae killed because he was jealous of him. And, while he had some "professional women" in season 1, it's been mostly toned down since.

[Solly Mack]

91. Makes for a cleaner hero, so to speak, for Tyrion's entire character to be downplayed some.

People will cheer his murder of his father, and not count that against him. But they might not cheer him killing some singer for no real good reason.

People also tend to overlook Tyrion's knowledge of Jaime trying to murder Bran. They dismiss his complicity because he is simply being loyal (and people like Tyrion, so it is easier to overlook his transgressions)

Kinda like I can justify almost anything Arya does.

I prefer the shades of grey because most people are a mixture of good and bad, though I have a hard time forgiving certain characters (Theon, for example. Sansa , for another)

[Oneironaut]

80. Anyone else annoyed by the barrage of off-screen fights?

Arya vs. the Waif was somewhat acceptable I suppose, but what about the Blackfish? What about the dragon vs. the Masters' ships? Both scenes were especially lame (unless if we see the ships getting torched in the next episode). Maybe they're saving their budget for a massive Winterfell battle in ep 10?

[NewJeffCT]

81. My guess

is that there has not been a battle in Meereen yet - will the dragon be able to torch all those ships before they can land a significant number of troops?

My guess is that Theon and Yara and the Iron Islanders will ambush the ships from the slavers.

The Blackfish may not be dead - maybe he escaped and the soldier feared Jamie's wrath?

The big battle at Winterfell is going to be the next episode, which is entitled The Battle of the Bastards. I'll post a separate thread with a preview.

[WolverineDG]

88. Don't forget there's 2 dragons in the basement

I was screaming at Tyrion & co about that while they wondered how to defend Mereen.

YOU'VE GOT TWO DRAGONS IN THE BASEMENT---OPEN THE DOORS & LET THEM OUT!

[NewJeffCT]

82. Preview of The Battle of the Bastards