I just served on a jury

[OriginalGeek]

Last edited Mon Jun 20, 2016, 04:01 PM - Edit history (1)

And I don't have a star. Did I misunderstand the new rules on jury eligibility?


I found it less satisfying than the old way. What fun is it to tell someone they're wrong if I can't explain why they're wrong?

Worse yet, I had to actually enforce a rule. I mean, I kind of agree with the rule and I understand why the rule exists and why the post violated the rule but there's no room for nuance. It would have been a good post for introspection and discussion but instead we have to just enforce the rule or don't. The idea will get hidden and nobody will get upset but nothing ever changes without someone getting upset. Status Quo marches on.

[rug]

1. You have a bigger star than I do.

[OriginalGeek]

5. lol, yeah

right after I posted this I looked up and thought, hmm I wonder if they just let me use that one...

[demmiblue]

2. I just survived my first jury alert...

hid by DUers, post reinstated by admins.

[cyberswede]

7. Oooh...a successful appeal!~

That rocks!

[OriginalGeek]

8. hey that's pretty cool

I do like that feature. Sometimes us jurists mess up.

[Renew Deal]

29. Do you have a link

I'm curious to see it

[riderinthestorm]

3. I had a post removed by admins from before the change over

I think there's some bugs...

[Skinner]

9. If it was posted before the switchover...

...please send an appeal and say so. We will grant the appeal.

(We have fixed this so posts that were put up before the switch cannot be sent to juries.)

[riderinthestorm]

11. Thanks. I deserved it so wasn't going to dispute it

But will send the appeal so elad can see what happened.

We're good and thanks for the offer.

[MosheFeingold]

4. I think that's just a factor

From my profile:

1113 total posts: +11
200 or more days of membership: +20
20 or more posts in the last 90 days: +20
Not a Star member: +0
0 posts hidden in 90 days: -0
TOTAL: 51

[mnhtnbb]

6. I recently changed my willingness to serve on juries.

Not doing it any more.

[Kali]

10. might want to mention this in ATA

also beware of meta

[OriginalGeek]

12. EVERYBODY HUSH UP!

*Skinner's in here. Be real still and maybe he won't notice I got to do jury.*

[In_The_Wind]

14. .

[fleur-de-lisa]

15. LOL!

[Make7]

13. Me too. Maybe it was an OR thing rather that an AND thing.

ETA: Wording from a post by Skinner:

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-right:3px; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:-1px -1px 3px #bfbfbf inset;"]The privilege to serve on a Jury is now only offered to members who have been registered for at least one year, have more than 1,000 posts, and have an active Star membership.

[font style="font-size:0.85em;"]http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1013&pid=6548[/font]

[In_The_Wind]

16. I was on a jury a minute ago. Did I bang the drum too loudly?

Don't bash Democratic public figures
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Why we have this rule: Our forum members support and admire a wide variety of Democratic politicians and public figures. Constructive criticism is always welcome, but our members don't expect to see Democrats viciously denigrated on this website. This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats (eg: Bernie Sanders).

[Rhiannon12866]

17. Apparently, the admins decided to rethink that.

From AtA:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910827

[OriginalGeek]

18. well rats

and here I thought Skinner just liked me best.

And I reckon everyone is now free to move about the post. Make some noise, Loungies!


the new deal IS easier though. No more having to think up a good juror comment that will get re-posted for it's brilliance and wit.

[Rhiannon12866]

20. Nothing says that Skinner doesn't like you best

You may have been the reason for that decision!

And I was just on my first new jury, as well, and it was tough to decide without seeing the OP. And I hoped to learn a little more after seeing the results - but we don't get those anymore.

[OriginalGeek]

22. Well alright!

That's certainly how I will remember it. I am the reason!

yeah I think that no notification is the hardest part to get used to. But it looks like we'll get opportunity to get used to it! Thanks to me! lol

[Rhiannon12866]

38. At least we know now who to blame for all this...

[In_The_Wind]

19. Good move. Otherwise the star DUers might be too busy to enjoy DU.

[Rhiannon12866]

21. That is so true!

I was on my first jury only moments after agreeing to the new ToS and I'm not the only one...

[OriginalGeek]

23. now that I think about it

yeah, my jury was right after seeing the new ToS notice too.

[Rhiannon12866]

30. It happened pretty quickly, guess a lot of people are as confused as I am, though

It was rather unsatisfying not to be able to see the results, was hoping to see if I made the right call...

[Rhiannon12866]

37. The thing is, the OP wasn't included, it was just an individual post

The alerted post referred to the OP, but since I couldn't see it, I wasn't confident in giving my opinion. And since we no longer get results, I have no idea what happened, was hoping to learn more, but that was it. It didn't matter who the poster was, but I would have liked some context...

[In_The_Wind]

25. Did your jury results come back to you? I haven't been notified yet.

[Rhiannon12866]

28. No, apparently we don't see results now

I was hoping to learn more from the results, but now I have no idea what even happened to the post...

[In_The_Wind]

31. Bummer!

Now I'll have to copy part of the OP to (perhaps) find the results after completing my service.

[Rhiannon12866]

35. The post I was on a jury for

Referred to an OP, but I couldn't see the OP, just the alerted post, which is why it was confusing. And since we don't get results now, I have no idea what happened.

[In_The_Wind]

39. Bingo!

On my 2nd jury just now I figured it out but it was a lot of work. The post wasn't hidden.

[Rhiannon12866]

40. How do you know?

I was just on a second jury and got the smart idea to search for the alerted post, but DU wouldn't let me...

[In_The_Wind]

41. Let me put it this way ...

[Rhiannon12866]

42. I just replied to you - again...

[PasadenaTrudy]

33. Ah, good to know nt

[Rhiannon12866]

36. Someone pointed out the AtA post to me

I have a feeling that AtA is going to be pretty busy for awhile - and required reading.

[kentauros]

24. I just finished my first a few minutes ago.

And I voted to "leave" or "no violation" or whatever it is now. Because too much context was removed. It was supposed to be a SOP violation of posting in the wrong forum or group. Well, it's rather important to know which group. Because the alerted post would have been just fine in The Lounge, and maybe in GD. It could even have been okay in some of the groups.

But, without that important bit of context, I honestly can't make a decision to hide. They need to re-think that aspect, too.

[OriginalGeek]

26. lol, well that sounds like

a pretty big "Whoops!"

the one I was on would have been wrong anywhere but yeah, there are times when the group absolutely matters.

[kentauros]

27. The feeling I got from the experience

was of someone making a random quote to me and then asking my opinion on it, without letting me actually 'say' anything

[Fla Dem]

43. According to Skinner, a Stat Membership is not required.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910827

Iggo (31,790 posts)

Jury Duty glitch.

Not a big deal, but right after I signed the TOS agreement, I was called for Jury Duty. (I declined.)

I gots no donor star.

Skinner (61,975 posts)
1. You should have accepted.

We decided against requiring a donor star.

[trueblue2007]

44. I DIDN'T GET THE ~~~~ JURY RESULTS.

do we not get notification of the findings anymore? What happened to the "bad note" ???

[OriginalGeek]

45. lol nope

we don't get them. I feel your pain - how do I know if I won if I don't get the scores?

[GOLGO 13]

46. I just did one as well. I don't like the new format & might not participate anymore.

I like giving my opinion to my verdict. It feels cold & impersonal now. Not fun. Not going to do it anymore. I'll keep dismissing from my duty till then.

[OriginalGeek]

47. I think i gave "no comment"

maybe one time in all my juries. And that may have been simply because I didn't have time.(I think I was summoned by my boss right when I was finishing up a jury and had to go). I felt it was important to explain why I voted as I did on each jury.

I think I was on the winning side more often than not but it wasn't a run-away. Very often other juror comments helped me understand the other position better. (face it, alerters are notorious for crappy explanations lol). So now I guess alerters have it a little easier as they have to look at the limited possible reasons for alerting and pick one. No chance to write a crappy (or no) reason for alerting but it still takes away our ability for writing a reason to agree or disagree.

As with most things, there's both good and bad in that. I think I'll stay on it for a while and see how it shakes out. But I can certainly see why one would not feel like doing it.

[OriginalGeek]

48. on the other hand

maybe it's a good thing it's all completely anonymous and other jurors can't see who or how somebody commented and voted and comments can't be copied into a post. I just blew one BIG TIME and it would have been pretty embarrassing. lol. I only know because I think I found the thread and since I could see the replies to the (now thankfully removed) original post (the OP is all I got to see on the jury) I see where I made a huge mistake in what I was thinking. (If I had taken the time to really ponder it I would have eventually figured it out I think. But I feel stupid for not figuring it out sooner. Like, while I was serving on the juror).

But no harm no foul. Rest of the jury got it right and the post is gone. Nobody even knows I was an idiot.


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