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I have a question for you jazz musicians: What is a "blues note?" (Original Post) CTyankee Oct 2016 OP
Short answer is that it's the flatted 5th of a scale. cemaphonic Oct 2016 #1
Um, the definition of a flatted 5th? I don't know that either... CTyankee Oct 2016 #2
Lets start with the C Scale CBGLuthier Oct 2016 #3
If you've ever had music instruction, do you remember the major scale? cemaphonic Oct 2016 #4
Here ya go. malthaussen Oct 2016 #5
thanks! Altho he lost me with some other terms like "pentitonic" (sp?) CTyankee Oct 2016 #6
pentatonic refers to a scale that only has five notes. CBGLuthier Oct 2016 #7
Exactly malthaussen Oct 2016 #9
Gahh! He needs to tune his guitar. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2016 #8
Great question Tsiyu Oct 2016 #10
I'm a believer, halleluya! CTyankee Oct 2016 #11

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
1. Short answer is that it's the flatted 5th of a scale.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 05:24 PM
Oct 2016

The flatted 3rd and flatted 7th are often called blue notes as well, although that's one of those things that music theorists like to argue about.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
3. Lets start with the C Scale
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 07:14 PM
Oct 2016

All white notes. C is 1 D is 2 E is 3 F is 4 G is 5 A is 6 and B is 7


If you instead of playing the G for the fifth note of the scale you lower it one half tone, a G flat is the flatted fifth of the scale.

If you play a B flat it is the flatted seventh and if you play an E flat it is the flatted third.

Playing those notes, particularly against major chords will produce the blues sounds.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
4. If you've ever had music instruction, do you remember the major scale?
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 07:19 PM
Oct 2016

The simplest example on a keyboard being C Major -


When discussing theory, it is often useful to talk about the relationship of one note to another (called an interval), and one way to think about scales is the intervals between the first note of the scale, and each other note in the scale. The intervals of the C Major Scale are:

C-D Major 2nd
C-E Major 3rd
C-F Perfect 4th
C-G Perfect 5th
C-A Major 6th
C-B Major 7th
C-C Octave

Now, the blues (and blues-related genres like rock and jazz) often use a scale called the blues scale:


Notice how the E, G, and B of the major scale are replaced by the black keys? Those are the blue notes. A theory textbook would define those relationships as:

C-Eb minor 3rd
C-Gb Diminished 5h
C-Bb minor 7th

but musicians would often just say "flat 5" as an informal shorthand.

CTyankee

(63,889 posts)
6. thanks! Altho he lost me with some other terms like "pentitonic" (sp?)
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 10:05 AM
Oct 2016

once he played a blue note in relation to the scale I got it, but only as a non-musician, by experiencing listening to it.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
7. pentatonic refers to a scale that only has five notes.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 12:58 PM
Oct 2016

The typical blues scale is a pentatonic minor scale with one extra note, the flatted fifth.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
9. Exactly
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 08:45 AM
Oct 2016

His explanation in words is garbled and rambling, but once he plays what he means, you can hear the difference immediately. And now you know what a pentatonic scale with a flattened fifth is, so you can impress your friends at cocktail parties.

-- Mal

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
10. Great question
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 04:55 PM
Oct 2016

This video at the 2:00 point discusses and shows where the blue note falls in a scale. It's a half step that makes the song almost sound like it's "hanging" to lead you back into the major notes of the pentatonic or other scale:



You can hear blue notes well in this Tracy Chapman song:



One of the first lead notes Clapton plays is a blue note.


Get out and see live music peeps! We saw Rodney Crowell, Richard Thompson and John Hiatt last night at the Mother Church doing a benefit for a rehab center and it was AMAZING.

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