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https://www.rockhall.com/class-2017-inductionsYOUR OFFICIAL ROCK HALL CLASS OF 2017 ROSTER.
The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is proud to announce that 6 artists from the ballot are included in the Performer Category and 1 individual is recognized with an Award for Musical Excellence.
YOUR CLASS OF 2017 INDUCTEES ARE:
Performer Category:
Joan Baez
Electric Light Orchestra
Journey
Pearl Jam
Tupac Shakur
Yes
Award for Musical Excellence:
Nile Rodgers
The 32nd Annual Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony, presented by Klipsch Audio, will take place on Friday, April 7, 2017 at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York for the third time. Ticket on-sale dates will be announced in January. The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2017 Induction Ceremony will again have its television premiere on HBO, and a radio broadcast on SiriusXM. Broadcast details will be announced in early 2017.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I was wondering just what in the hell Jeff Lynne was going to have to do to get in there. When you've worked with Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, and The Beatles, what else is there?
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)After "Out of the Blue" in 1977, the albums became a little more hit and miss, but there's also Lynne's collaborative efforts, as you've said. This is a well-deserved honor that, fortunately, came in his lifetime. I'm still teed off over the fact that Deep Purple got in after Jon Lord's passing. He should have been at that podium to accept the honor.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)He's the one who did the funny opera vocals on "Rockaria".
And Bev Bevan, the drummer, and Jeff haven't talked in many years. Lots of lawsuits over the ELO name, and such.
So it's going to be an interesting appearance. Well deserved, though.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)http://ultimateclassicrock.com/journey-steve-perry-hall-of-fame-reunion/
Youve been very open over the years to reconciliation with Steve Perry. Do you think this Hall of Fame honor can finally make that a reality?
You know, I have no clue. I definitely think that he will be there, as he should be. Musically speaking, Id love to have him do a song with us or two, or whatever. What would be even greater would be for him to do a song with Arnel too. Im open to everything. Im very open-minded to whatever happens, and any ideas that are brought forth.
Meanwhile...
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/yes-reunite-members-rock-hall-induction/
Much of the Yes discography is devoted to good old-fashioned peace and love but no one feuds quite like a British band, so its well worth asking whether theyll perform with former members Jon Anderson, Trevor Rabin, Rick Wakeman and Bill Bruford when they accept their Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction next April.
Its a question guitarist Steve Howe has obviously considered, but he doesnt have an answer yet at least not one he was willing to share with Rolling Stone when discussing the bands long-awaited, recently announced induction into the Hall. I cant say. I dont know and I cant predict. It just depends on how it feels and what the communication is and what the spirit is, he demurred. Its gotta be discussed and gotta be considered. Obviously its a consideration.
It sounds like Bruford might be the least likely participant in a Rock Hall reunion, if only because, as Howe put it, he hasnt played in nine years and hes not anticipating playing again, and I dont see anyone pressuring him to play. As for the others, Howe betrayed no hint of ill will; although he declined to discuss the last time hed spoken with Anderson, he offered his blessing to the ARW project thats recently reunited Anderson with Rabin and Wakeman and even seemed open to the possibility of some sort of reunion tour as part of what he predicted would be a colossal 50th anniversary celebration in 2018.
Even considering it, youd have to think about how it could work in a different way, mused Howe. Its nice seeing people play together, but its really about the mood and the willingness and the love and the sharing. It just comes down to a lot of other things, unfortunately, like business and technical. Those other parts both help and interfere and destruct.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)That said, ELO never really got through to me ... tho I never listened through any of their albums. If you feel like posting a favorite here, I'd be interested to listen to it.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Where to begin? I would suggest either start with A New World Record ("Telephone Line", "Do Ya" or the massive splendorfest that is Out of the Blue ("Turn to Stone", "Mr. Blue Sky" . These are the two albums they are most noted for.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)I know Jeff Lynne has a lot more going on than channeling The Beatles, but that's what pulled me in.
My favorites are the "deep album tracks"...I know all of the hits and enjoy many of them, but when you asked me for a track, the first one that comes to mind is "One Summer Dream." Enjoy.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)4, remember parts of it
Right after the intro, in particular, the transition sounds like "Carry that Weight," don't you think?
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)The thing I like most about the way he uses these influences is that after Rubber Soul and Revolver, it got pretty easy to "Spot the Beatle." Many of John's songs sounded like John's. many of Paul's sounded like Paul's. But when Lynne drops a "Lennonism," it's usually given a few layers of McCartney texture, and vice-versa.
Now is as good a time as any to share a Todd Rundgren anecdote. Rundgren also dipped his cup in the Beatles well more than a few times, but he was a little more heavy-handed about it.
He slammed either The Beatles or Lennon one time in the press...don't remember which...and Lennon sent him a reply that was along the lines of "Well, you certainly got some mileage out of what we did, didn't you>"
Rundgren later did an album with Utopia called "Deface The Music," the premise being that every song was written in a deliberately Beatle-esque manner. One song in particular targeted Lennon's more "curmudgeonly" tendencies:
JudyM
(29,225 posts)Just wow about that.
I only had the Hello It's Me album, which impressed me because of his playing all the instruments. Talented guy, anyway.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Which included this classic:
JudyM
(29,225 posts)FrankfurtCat
(1,213 posts)JudyM
(29,225 posts)I can see their appeal, FrankfurtCat, they're kind of fun. I never gave them a lot of thought because to my ear they seem poppy.
FrankfurtCat
(1,213 posts)He liked their Beatles-inspired sound.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)A faithful cover, for the most part, except Slash turns up the guitars a little louder.
My favorite Eldorado song is "Laredo Tornado"..."What can you do, when your dreamworld is gone, and your friends and lovers too?" If there is a single lyric that illustrates just how clearly Lynne understands the Fab Four, it's that one.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Another unsung hero from the same album:
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)That's the ELO sound I go for.
On the second album, "Roll Over Beethoven" got the airplay, but "Mama" was my favorite.
Very "Eleanor Rigby" in its lyrical stance.
She came up from the country with a smile for everyone
She left her blue horizon just to find another home
A lonely girl who'd traveled many days
A lonely heart that could not find the way
And she said, "Momma, it's a hard life now you're gone"
Momma, it's so hard to carry on
And I feel I'm a fool who lost it all
You used to make it all so very clear
That life must go on though the end is near
Momma, it's a sad and lonely life
A misty morning rider, she came wanderin' through the hills
A wanderin' soul appearin' over rainy window sills
A loser in her heart but in her face
A smile for everyone under God's grace
And she said, "Momma, it's a hard life now you're gone"
Momma, it's so hard to carry on
And I feel I'm a fool who lost it all
You used to make it all so very clear
That life must go on though the end is near
Momma, it's a sad and lonely life
And she said, "Momma, it's a hard life now you're gone"
Momma, it's so hard to carry on
And I feel I'm a fool who lost it all
You used to make it all so very clear
Midnight maiden madness, what to search for in this place'
Gateway to the city, night sky shadows on her face
A lady lost in nowhere but her stare
Leaves the world, her life to start somewhere
And she said, "Momma, it's a hard life now you're gone"
Momma, it's so hard to carry on
And I feel I'm a fool who lost it all
You used to make it all so very clear
That life must go on though the end is near
Momma, it's a hard life now you're gone
Momma, it's so hard to carry on
And I feel I'm a fool who lost it all
You used to make it all so very clear
That life must go on though the end is near
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Enough so that other artists are still sampling stuff from it. Daft Punk are fans.
A lot of people were turned off by how ELO had fallen away from their "orchestral" trappings, but sonically, that album was still amazing, and Mr. Lynne was still firing on all creative cylinders. I think he finally started to hate the whole thing after that.
ELO was always underrated,,,, they belonged in there long ago...... now Toothpick Shaker doesn't belong in the ROCK AND ROOL HALL OF FAME... I say this as a rock musician of over 30 years and nothing toothpick did is rock....
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)I like at least something from every one of those artists. Some I love a lot.
Of course, MY appreciation is not necessarily prerequisite for induction into the hall of fame but it works for me.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Who knew?
lastlib
(23,197 posts)...I'm ok with all of the class except Tupac. OK, he may have been talented, I won't argue the point, but he's a f*ckin' RAPPER, ferf*cksake! Not rock 'n' roll by any measure I know of.
WHERE da Fuck are the MOODY BLUES???!?!? . . . . .
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)But, yeah, they've been due for quite a while.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)take a look at the range of inductees: https://www.rockhall.com/inductees Many aren't rockers.
Though she was selected on the basis of performance, rather than some who are selected for influence. She is a unique, powerful voice, including in the protest song genre, important stuff.
From their website re:eligibility:
Besides demonstrating unquestionable musical excellence and talent, inductees will have had a significant impact on the development, evolution and preservation of rock & roll.
Paladin
(28,246 posts)Just a matter of personal preference, of course.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I don't discount people's musical tastes. You might think Lou Reed is a musical genius. I, however, might think he was a poseur who just had sex with "connected" people in the art world to achieve the success that he had. I won't tell you that you shouldn't enjoy Lou Reed's music. You might have a deep connection to it, something I would never understand.
BTW, I only use Lou Reed as an example. We could be talking about The Beatles, Bob Dylan, or Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods. If the music moves you and means something to you, then it's important.
So don't tear people up about their musical tastes. Let them tell you about the music they enjoy. And tell them about the bands YOU like, no matter how much they suck. Because I guarantee you, they do.
Paladin
(28,246 posts)that I wasn't attempting to foist my musical preferences on anyone. How about we leave it there?
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)When you really shouldn't have been. That was just mean.
Coventina
(27,093 posts)ETA:
I would also have to throw Pearl Jam in there. Never could stand them either.
While I dislike Yes, I would acknowledge their importance to the genre of prog rock. And, their music is not all that hard to avoid.
But, with Journey and Pearl Jam being "mainstream" one gets assaulted with their music in places like stores and restaurants and so therefore my animosity is at a much higher level.
Paladin
(28,246 posts)They induct hack bands like Journey and Pearl Jam, low-talent acts who should have never made it beyond Holiday Inn lounge gigs, but continuously overlook a genuine musical genius like Warren Zevon. Go figure.
(And yet again, let me mention that the foregoing is my own subjective opinion, and nobody is bound to agree with me. I'm saying all this for the benefit of those who can still see it; the person I had to put on Full Ignore over this silly matter won't get the benefit of my advanced thinking..... )
Coventina
(27,093 posts)Clearly, they must do their inclusions more on albums sold than on innovation and influence.
Paladin
(28,246 posts)It's become a real issue, over the years.
Coventina
(27,093 posts)irrelevent.
Kraftwerk? The guys who INVENTED synthesized pop music? Really?
And JOURNEY gets in?
Paladin
(28,246 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Journey getting in before UFO sort of chaps my hide.
Once you get past the "British Invasion Guitar Gods"...Clapton, Beck, Page...you get into metal guitarists (Sabbath, Maiden, Priest) and hard rock (Deep Purple, UFO).
Michael Schenker is probably one of the most influential guitarists of all time, at least when it comes to other guitarists.
"Strangers In The Night" is one of the most highly-regarded live albums in the history of rock, right up there with Deep Purple's "Made In Japan" and Humble Pie's "Performance: Rockin' The Fillmore."
Journey started as a post-Santana jam band, but they just weren't selling albums. Manager Herbie Herbert pretty much brought Steve Perry into the band and told them...rather than asking them..."Here's your new lead singer." When Jonathan Cain joined, the crass commercialism hit a whole new level. They had one objective...make money.
And make money they did. Having them in the R&RHOF ahead of UFO tells you everything you need to know about that organization.
FrankfurtCat
(1,213 posts)For instance, "Separate Ways" is a decent power ballad (although kind of corny, and the video is pretty goofy):
But then "Faithfully" is, well,....
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Do they know about this most relevant and shocking turn of events?
ProfessorGAC
(64,971 posts)Journey is the big no. Tupac is a no because i question the selection due to longevity. Talented yes. Prolific and continuing growth, no. He didn't live long enough. Of course, Richie Valens might be the HoF, (not sure) so that would negate my opinion.
But, Journey was pedestrian, formulaic and did not really influence the rock music industry. They don't belong
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Here are two of the first examples that come to mind. Beyond that, they influenced no one.
ProfessorGAC
(64,971 posts)They spent much more time refining the vocals and the blend with the music. And Nuno was a guitar genius compared to Schoen. (And i don't dislike Schoen.)
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)I'm a guitar player...I used to buy all of the guitar magazines around the time of Extreme's peak, and I remember endless tabs and lessons from Nuno.
ON EDIT: Same holds true for Paul Gilbert in Mr. Big...the guy is a guitar demon. But that one song...
ProfessorGAC
(64,971 posts)I too am a guitar player. My playing is probably closest to Petrucci. Lots of modal runs but still trying to be musical. (Jazz piano background.)
Maybe i'm remembering this wrong, but wasn't Gilbert in Night Ranger?
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)He also played on Ozzy Osbourne's "Speak of the Devil" live album.
Gilbert was in Racer X prior to Mr. Big and was one of the original post-Eddie Van Halen "shredders." i recently went back and listened to Gilbert's work in Mr. Big, and other than that one track, he is in a league with EVH / Satriani / Vai. This is one of my favorite Mr. Big tracks, where Gilbert peels most of the paint off of the walls:
Other than Gilbert, the only other guitarist from that "school" of players that is still around in high profile is Vinnie Moore, who joined UFO after Michael Schenker left for the second time and has been there ever since. This clip also features Jason Bonham on drums, before he left to join Foreigner, and then left them to join 'The Circle" with Sammy Hagar:
I am also a major Dream Theater fan. As a Petrucci fan, you are probably very familiar with this, but for everyone else, Petrucci whips off an 8 minute guitar solo which then goes straight into "Pull Me Under" on the "Once In A Livetime" album. He was also pretty cool on the "G3 Live In Tokyo" album with Satriani and Vai.
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ProfessorGAC
(64,971 posts)Yeah, he's terrific on that. Actually since i was more emulating Satch it wasn't until i was watching that G3 with a friend when he said "Man, that you sound a lot like him." It only took another 10 seconds for me to hear it too.
Still a Satch maniac, but if i'm even close to the class of John P, i'm good with that.
On Edit: Thanks for the reminder, Miles. Yeah, i had that pretty mixed up.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)His influence is undeniable, was active for 9 years and had much more released after his death. Like the Makavelia album after broke free from Death Row. Well maybe not considering Suge Knight.
I don't agree, but rarely is the perfect agreement when it comes to musical taste.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)He is being inducted in his first year of eligibility.
ProfessorGAC
(64,971 posts)But, that's ok. I don't have a vote so it doesn't really matter what i think.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Especially now that those horrible Southwest commercials play the song constantly especially during sporting events.
ProfessorGAC
(64,971 posts)Those commercials annoy the daylights out of me. Now i'm going to have the song in my head the rest of the day! All your fault!!!!