Making of the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders

[Catmusicfan]

Sorry I know I have the right to shut it off but...

In the fucking 21st century we can't get past this stupid idea that a beautiful woman is either a size 2 or 4. Real women have curves And meat on the bones. You can be a certain height and be a size 6 or 8 or even 10 and look hot.

Yes, I will admit I am over weight bell I will say fucking obese. Yes, I know it is not good for me But that is my struggle. I am thinking of my nieces and cousins and just young girls who need more than Barbie dolls to look up too.

Let's make those Millie Dresselhouse (spelling of her name is probably wrong. On my tablet sorry.) Dolls a reality and while we are at it let's make Susan B. Anthony dolls and Sally Ride Dolls and Mollie Ives and other real looking smart and awesome women.

I am not bashing cheerleaders Goddess knows they do have a place but they don't have to be unrealistic!

Thank You for letting me vent. Sorry to have offended.

[Lotusflower70]

1. Hmmm

I am friends with several Minnesota Vikings cheerleaders and I've seen the work they do in the community. I have also seen little girls excited to see them at the jr. cheerleader camp. The little girls have the cheerleaders sign their t-shirts at training camp. It instills confidence to go out there in front of a huge audience like that and represent. Also these women train hard. Why shouldn't it be a matter of pride to take good care of yourself? It's shows self-love. But they also get harassed and put up with a lot of crap too.

There are women of various sizes representing in different media outlets. Body positivity has been promoted for quite some time now. I don't see the point in body shaming period. And some women are naturally thin. There is nothing wrong with that. I am a curvy, athletic Latina and proud of my body. It's up to us to send and reinforce the positive messages to the next generation. And that real women have curves is insulting to those who don't. A friend of mine is skinny and eats but people always tell her to eat a cheeseburger or something. It's cruel.

Feel free to vent, we all need to sometime. Cheers!

[Catmusicfan]

2. It was not my intention to body same thin women I do apologize if it sounded

That way. Yes, I understand some people who are naturally thin and have no curves and are beautiful. My issue is the stress on that body form as the only one for this group. Saying a size 4 or 6 is "hefty" is body shaming.

[Lotusflower70]

3. I hear you

I would agree that it is shaming to say a size 4 or 6 is "hefty". My point is women come in all shapes and sizes and no one should tear some down to build others up and yet it happens. Some of us have curves, some don't but we are all real. Some models and actresses go through brutal criticism and extremes in order to achieve a required or desired look. Even then, there is photoshop done. Some people choose plastic surgery or end up with eating disorders. And there is the other extreme of using food to self-medicate to cope with trauma. I work as a psychologist so I see all kinds of people cloaked in self-loathing. It's important to find balance between physical and emotional health.

[whathehell]

10. It's actually more than that -- It's absurd.

especially when the AVERAGE American woman is a size 16.

I grew up in the Sixties when, in the main, the only girls who wore

sizes 2 and 4 were ",petites" under 5'3". Sizes 7 was considered

smallish", while sizes 10 and 12 were simply "medium. Allowing

for different heights and frames, one wasn't considered"large" until

one reached size 14. These are the facts.

[Major Nikon]

4. I don't know that size 2 or 4 is unrealistic

I realize there's plenty of variance between clothing manufacturers and body shapes, but size 4 is probably going to be inside the normal BMI range per the CDC for most women and some may be size 2 without being underweight.

As far as cheerleaders go, you're talking about something that requires a fair amount of athleticism. As such age and size are going to be limiting factors, simply based on what they do just like it would with most athletic endeavors. As far as that being the only way one can be considered "hot", I think that worm is starting to turn. There's more people of both sexes that are now considered attractive older and at larger sizes. Regardless there's just no excuse for body shaming or age shaming no matter which way it goes. At best the effort is counterproductive and at worst it leads to a variety of social problems.

[whathehell]

7. Does anyone here know that Jackie Kennedy was a size 10 and

Marilyn Monroe a size 12?

No on thought they were "hefty".

[Major Nikon]

8. Those seem to be popular myths

When she was in the WH, Jackie Kennedy was 5'7" and 120lbs. That would put her on the low side of the normal BMI range and probably not in a size 10 and more like a size 4 or perhaps even a 2.

MM's historic dresses betray the myth she was a size 12.

The auction’s top-ticket item was Monroe’s famous white halter dress from “The Seven Year Itch,” the one that billowed up as the subway passed. It sold for almost $5.66 million (including the buyer’s premium) to an unknown phone bidder. Sharing a rotating mirrored platform with Hedy Lamarr’s peacock gown from “Samson and Delilah” and Kim Novak’s rhinestone-fringed show dress from “Jeanne Eagels,” Monroe’s costume was displayed on a mannequin that had been carved down from a standard size 2 to accommodate the tiny waist. Even then, the zipper could not entirely close.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2011-06-24/hollywood-auction-ends-myth-of-zaftig-marilyn-virginia-postrel

[whathehell]

9. Lol...I was alive and conscious when both were alive

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and NEITHER were ever a size 2 or 4, most especially Monroe.

The idea that a supposed "myth" was created by or for "plus-

sized", "zaftig" women was likely started by the same bitchy

designer who never heard of the word "Medium" which is how

sizes 10 and 12 were categorized before the Anorexic Eighties.

[Major Nikon]

12. You're not the only one

But even if you weren't or just weren't paying attention, both of their metrics are recorded for history which is why I referenced them. Regardless of how vanity sizing has changed the industry we know what size range they would be today. Most of their most famous clothing items were bespoke, and size was neither specified or mattered.

[whathehell]

18. Um, sorry, but Zanana1 just explained that sizes we're chsnged

and while you may have been alive and conscious at that time, I'm guessing that, being male and all, you weren't trying on too many dresses ...Just sayin'.

[Major Nikon]

20. I'm not really sure what you are just sayin

MM and Jackie O would easily fit into a size 2 or 4 in today's sizing, so it's pretty easy to see why nobody considered them "hefty" regardless of what those sizes corresponded to in the 60's. Not really sure what point you were trying to make that's at all relevant to the OP.

[whathehell]

21. Lol..It's quite clear, actually,

and for a guy who claims that " size was neither specified or cared about,' you seem to care a LOT about it...Why?..Does it ruin some fantasy you have about them to imagine they weren't "tiny"?

Well, sorry about that, but I'm betting that Zanana1 and I have a lot more with women's dress sizes than you, lol.

The fact is, these women weren't considered "hefty' because at sizes 10 and 12 they were of MEDIUM size, not large or "hefty'" at all.

[Major Nikon]

22. I imagine them as tiny because they were in fact tiny

Nice job trying to ascribe some kind of nefarious motive on my part, but that dog won't hunt.

MM's "7 yr Itch" dress was too small for a size 2 mannequin at auction. That's not a fantasy. That is a fact which just isn't too hard for anyone to verify.

Jackie's self-reported metrics were 5'7" and 119 lbs, which makes her borderline underweight. She could have weighed 40 lbs more and be considered "MEDIUM". That's not a fantasy. That is a fact. Do you honestly think she would be larger than a size 4 in today's sizes? If so I'm just not that convinced you know as much about the subject as you claim. It's almost as if you have some fantasy about them being larger than they actually were because you aren't basing anything on facts.

[whathehell]

23. You keep telling yourself that, dear

It's clearly very important to you.

[Major Nikon]

24. And yet you where the one who brought it up

...when it wasn't even relevant to the OP.

Meanwhile it seems important for you to deny easily verifiable facts and pretend I imagined them.

[whathehell]

25. I'm going to say bye now, okay?

Sweet dreams.

[zanana1]

16. The sizes have changed.

What is now a size four was a size 10, 20 years ago. I remember weighing 100 pounds and wearing a size 8. At 5'4', I wasn't really "Petite".

[whathehell]

17. Thanks for the explanation..There was no 'myth' about it at all

Jackie Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe certainly we're not today's size 2 or 4.

[Ilsa]

26. Thank you. They need to use inches for comparison,

Not size charts that get adjusted every few years.

[Skittles]

5. I am a size 4 and I can assure you I am a real woman

[Awsi Dooger]

6. My young niece loves that program

She is a youth cheerleader named Sydney. Apparently there was a popular cheerleader named Sydney on the Dallas roster for many years so my niece was quite enthused. She now has a mat in her bedroom and practices flips of all type. Her team won the local title two years ago and advanced to nationals. Huge trophy and she was chosen to lift it. I still have the picture that her mom sent to me.

Not all bad. I guess that's what I'm reporting. My niece Sydney tried to play soccer but she wasn't any good at it and got discouraged. That's when she tried cheerleading after her mom showed her the program. Her two older brothers were involved in teams and Sydney felt left out. Now she's the star.

I watched the Dallas Cheerleaders program briefly a couple of years ago and was turned off for a different reason. They have panel questioning and it could not be more random. Some girls are handed patty cake questions while others are grilled. I was rooting for a woman named Kat because she was previously a rhythmic gymnast and older than most, maybe 30. Yes, very thin. Kat got booted off the team due to the panel interview, when one judge scolded her for wearing a supposedly inappropriate outfit to the interview. It had small openings on either side of her waistline. Meanwhile, other girls were wearing backless cocktail type dresses but nobody said a word. Jerry Jones' daughter is a bigwig in the organization and wants to have overboard influence on the cheerleader selection process. Nobody will stand up to her. I had the impression she merely shows up occasionally and forms rash opinions without knowing all the details. She said Kat couldn't be trusted to represent the organization, based on that outfit. The director seemed to disagree but had to go along with it. Kat seemed shattered, and in disbelief. It looked like one bad day to me, not a trend. I stopped watching but with pretty girls that decision is always subject to review.

[femmocrat]

11. I am more offended by their sexy uniforms.

I think something more athletic would project a better image for young girls. JMO

[Major Nikon]

14. Meanwhile on the other side of Dallas...

[femmocrat]

15. Thanks!

I couldn't see the video without the buffering, but they look like they are having fun.

I was looking for a photo of the Dallas cheerleaders and ran across even more provocative outfits on some of the other teams' squads. I guess I'm getting old and crotchety.

[FakeNoose]

13. Here's what bothers me the most

... The men who have unrealistic standards for their "women" are mostly (generally) out-of-shape themselves.
But they never see the irony in this!

[whathehell]

19. Lol...Absolutely.

Male Entitlement at it's best.