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highplainsdem

(48,910 posts)
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 01:42 PM Sep 2022

The British Elvis wannabe who lost his mind on acid and inspired better music than he created

Vince Taylor, born in the UK in 1939 as Brian Maurice Holden, raised in California (where his sister, Sheila Holden, met and married Joseph Barbera of Hanna-Barbera (Tom and Jerry, Flintstones, Jetsons, etc.)).

He'd seen Elvis perform in California, and he decided he could go back to the UK and become an Elvis there. Vince wasn't impressed by the competition in 1950s Britain.

So he did go back, and he had some success in the UK, but more in France, where he became a star with screaming fans. In fact, it looked possible in the mid-'60s that he might be able to get a big record deal with an American label, and his sister and brother-in-law flew to Paris to help him.

But a week before what was supposed to be that triumphant gig, Vince left his band in Paris while he went back to the UK to collect some money from a promoter there who hadn't been paying them.

He did collect the money. He also partied with Bob Dylan and some of Dylan's friends and hangers-on in London then.

And at that party, Vince was given acid for the first time.

He liked it, so much that he took hundreds of pounds of the money he was supposed to take back to France and spent that money -- equivalent to thousands of dollars today -- on a lot more acid. Which he took in the next week.

He arrived back in Paris out of his mind, announcing that he wasn't Vince Taylor, that he was the son of God, and he'd chosen the name Mateus (yes, like the wine), and he also sometimes said he was Jesus. He couldn't do a full show. He went around blessing people instead.

He got some treatment, but for years. especially in the UK, he'd wander around raving. He tried a couple of unsuccessful comebacks. He died in Switzerland, where he'd moved with his second wife, in 1991, when he was 52.

During the late '60s he met a young David Bowie, who was fascinated by this mad former rock star who'd both claim to be the son of God and talk about aliens and where alien bases on Earth were located. Vince became one of the main inspirations for Ziggy Stardust.

Vince's earlier success also inspired Golden Earring's 1973 song "Just Like Vince Taylor," on their hit album Moontan, which was a concert closer for them for many years.

A song Vince had written and recorded, "Brand New Cadillac," was covered in the late '70s by the Clash, and in the '90s by Brian Setzer.

And in this century, Adam Ant did a song about him.

I'm going to post those songs below, along with a video about Vince.

But the music he inspired first, and I'm going to start with two Bowie songs from his Ziggy Stardust album, first the title song, and then "Suffragette City," which is closest to the sort of rock Vince was aspiring to but never achieved. Golden Earring's "Just Like Vince Taylor," with lead singer Barry Hay's lyrics about his early girlfriend who insisted he copy Vince Taylor, is also rock music at a level Vince never got close to.

I have no idea what Vince thought of the artists who were inspired by him, wrote about him, and covered his best-known song. Have never found any interviews or quotes where he mentioned them.

Far Out magazine article about his influence on Bowie: https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/vince-taylor-the-real-ziggy-stardust

Bowie's "Ziggy Stardust" and "Suffragette City" with different performances patched together:






Golden Earring, "Just Like Vince Taylor," closing a concert in 1977:




Vince Taylor, "Brand New Cadillac":




The Clash, 1980 performance of the cover they recorded in 1977:




Brian Setzer's cover, 1994:




Adam Ant's song about Vince Taylor, 2012::




Documentary about Vince Taylor:

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highplainsdem

(48,910 posts)
3. You're welcome! Will be curious to hear what you think later.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 06:15 PM
Sep 2022

And while his connection to Hanna-Barbera is only tangential, with his sister marrying Joseph Barbera, it still gives his existence some immediacy that it doesn't have otherwise, considering how little he's known as a rock star or aspiring rock star here. It's odd to think that the creator of Tom And Jerry and The Flintstones and The Jetsons, and so many other cartoons we grew up with, was the brother-in-law of the tragically messed up singer who inspired Ziggy Stardust.

It really was tragic, Vince's experiment with acid.

Walleye

(30,977 posts)
4. It really is tragic. I love the Cadillac song. Some excellent Elvis moves
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 07:13 PM
Sep 2022

Bowie’’s dancing and costume is really an homage to this guy

highplainsdem

(48,910 posts)
5. I agree. Vince was talented, though his focus seemed to be more on the teen-idol image
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 08:21 PM
Sep 2022

than the music. (At least one YouTube video about him that I watched, and I don't think it was the doc I posted, said he was notorious for leaving his own concerts if he'd failed to reach his current girlfriend on the phone, since he was always worried that girlfriend might be cheating on him.)

I just checked Tony Visconti's biography again to see if there was any mention of Vince Taylor. I'm not sure when Bowie first encountered Vince, but Tony had met and started working with Bowie soon after he started working in London in 1967, and he and Bowie were good enough friends that Tony and his girlfriend and David and Angela Bowie had shared a flat for a while, and Tony was in Bowie's backup band as well as producing his records. Nothing there about Bowie's encounters with Vince. But then Bowie and Tony's friendship and work relationship had ended for a while, in a disagreement over signing with a manager who also wanted to sign Tony, when Tony didn't trust him. Bowie recorded Hunky Dory and Ziggy Stardust after that, didn't work with Tony at all again till Diamond Dogs. (And Bowie later had problems with that manager, problems that ended up in court.)

I can't remember reading anything in the early '70s, either, about Vince Taylor having inspired Ziggy, though the Golden Earring song referring to him, and that Clash cover, had made me aware of the name.

I can certainly see why Bowie would have been fascinated by the idea of an alien rock-star messiah, though.

If Vince had been better known here, there would almost certainly have been films about him.

prodigitalson

(2,379 posts)
8. Bowie says in the Acid Casualties doc that he ran into him outside to Tottenham Court tube staion
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 12:22 PM
Oct 2023

where Vince showed him a map of London and pointed out where all of the aliens were.

prodigitalson

(2,379 posts)
9. his showmanship during live performances was absolutely incredible
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 12:27 PM
Oct 2023

at least before he ate all the acid in London and became Mateus, Son of God...well I guess that was pretty incredible too.

highplainsdem

(48,910 posts)
10. You're welcome! And thanks for responding here. Responses to a thread
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 03:13 PM
Oct 2023

this old won't kick it to the top of the board again, but I'm glad to see them anyway.

Just as I was very glad to see your new thread on Vince Taylor, which I want to link to here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1034107469

so anyone who stumbles across this thread will also find yours.

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