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More photos from the Pacific Air Show. (Original Post) Grumpy Old Guy Oct 2021 OP
Wow, great shots! Enter stage left Oct 2021 #1
Great shots! Pobeka Oct 2021 #2
A B-25! Nice shot! OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2021 #3
With open bomb bay doors. Grumpy Old Guy Oct 2021 #4
I bet it was an awesome plane to fly. Lots of HP from the 2 engines, yet short take-off OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2021 #5
That could be the reason Grumpy Old Guy Oct 2021 #9
Isn't that the plane that Doolittle used to bomb Tokyo in '42? Retired Engineer Bob Oct 2021 #11
Yes it was....that sucker had to get off the flight deck loaded with bombs and extra fuel. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2021 #13
The wind across the deck was 75 mph on launch Retired Engineer Bob Oct 2021 #22
75 mph across the deck? Doubtful. a 75 mph headwind would probably have scrubbed OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2021 #24
After more research, I'll reduce 75 mph to 50 mph Retired Engineer Bob Oct 2021 #28
I believe that. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2021 #29
My dad was part of the crew on a B25 in the Pacific Theater dflprincess Oct 2021 #15
My dad was in the engine room of a pocket carrier patrolling the western coast of So. America. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2021 #18
My dad never talked about it, not even to my mom dflprincess Oct 2021 #19
My dad neither....never really told me about his experiences in WW2. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2021 #21
Similar story dflprincess Oct 2021 #27
My uncle had two P.T. boats shot out from beneath him. Grumpy Old Guy Oct 2021 #30
Wonderful Photography! BadGimp Oct 2021 #6
Awesome photos!! catchnrelease Oct 2021 #7
I can imagine. Grumpy Old Guy Oct 2021 #12
Well, I see you came back after takin' names! AndyS Oct 2021 #8
Thanks Andy. Grumpy Old Guy Oct 2021 #14
Yes, amazingly good photos. FuzzyRabbit Oct 2021 #26
Thanks for the kind words. Grumpy Old Guy Oct 2021 #31
Wow! Those are some terrific shots! calimary Oct 2021 #10
Wow! Excellent ! Duppers Oct 2021 #16
Bucket Lists evolve all the time. czarjak Oct 2021 #17
Bucket Lists evolve all the time. czarjak Oct 2021 #20
Wow, my dear Grumpy! CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2021 #23
What lens were you using? 3Hotdogs Oct 2021 #25
RF 100-500mm Grumpy Old Guy Oct 2021 #32
Thanx 3Hotdogs Oct 2021 #33
I normally don't take my gear to the beach. Grumpy Old Guy Oct 2021 #34
I have NO idea as to what the ID's of these aircraft are. WinstonSmith4740 Oct 2021 #35
Yes and no. 😉 Grumpy Old Guy Oct 2021 #36
Thanks all for the kind words. Grumpy Old Guy Oct 2021 #37
I want to call the 3rd and 4th shots a T-33 trainer. yonder Oct 2021 #38
It does appear to be a T-33. Grumpy Old Guy Oct 2021 #39
Is that a B25 Mitchell ? CentralMass Oct 2021 #40
Yes! Grumpy Old Guy Oct 2021 #41
Nice. I got to climb inside of one in Salem Oregon (two years ago, i think) CentralMass Oct 2021 #42
Every photo is Heartstrings Oct 2021 #43
Thanks! Grumpy Old Guy Nov 2021 #44
Just sent this thread link Duppers Feb 2022 #45
Aww, thanks Duppers! Grumpy Old Guy Feb 2022 #46

OAITW r.2.0

(24,287 posts)
5. I bet it was an awesome plane to fly. Lots of HP from the 2 engines, yet short take-off
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 10:44 PM
Oct 2021

and landings. Whatta beast.

Grumpy Old Guy

(3,155 posts)
9. That could be the reason
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:02 PM
Oct 2021

That Jimmy Doolittle chose it for his raid on Tokyo. His bombers had to launch from an aircraft carrier. Incidentally, they secretly trained for that mission at Los Alamitos Naval Air Station. The milirary aircraft staged at the same airfield for this air show.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,287 posts)
13. Yes it was....that sucker had to get off the flight deck loaded with bombs and extra fuel.
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:08 PM
Oct 2021

The pilots had to learn how to take off on about 400 ft of deck...with a headwind of course.

22. The wind across the deck was 75 mph on launch
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:57 PM
Oct 2021

That certainly helped with the 400’ distance problem.

The entire mission was gutsy. Two of the four carriers we had in the Pacific were sent within 500 or so miles of Japan to launch 16 bombers. Tactically it was insignificant, strategically very important. Imperial Japan had recently hit Pearl Harbor, taken over Hong Kong, Singapore, Dutch East Indies, and more with little opposition.

Strategically, hers what it accomplished:

Good news on the home front. Up ‘till then, all news regarding the war was bad.

Japan freaked out. Fighter squadrons needed for their conquests were sent back home, cooling their heels until ‘45, three years later.

Yamamoto insisted on wiping out the American aircraft fleet, setting up the Battle of Midway. Didn’t work out too well for Imperial Japan.

28. After more research, I'll reduce 75 mph to 50 mph
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 12:25 AM
Oct 2021

WW2 carriers could hit 20 - 25 mph easily. They always turned into the wind on launch. It was a mild storm, surface winds 25 - 30 mph. It helps to have a head start.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,287 posts)
29. I believe that.
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 12:35 AM
Oct 2021

4-500 ft and airborne? You need serious wind-lift to keep you outta of the ocean. 25 knots and 25 mph headwinds would be needed to keep the B-25 airborne after launch.

dflprincess

(28,071 posts)
15. My dad was part of the crew on a B25 in the Pacific Theater
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:10 PM
Oct 2021

345th Bomber group, 499th (Bats Outta Hell) Squadron.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,287 posts)
18. My dad was in the engine room of a pocket carrier patrolling the western coast of So. America.
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:19 PM
Oct 2021

Our dad's did brave things in WW2, but they never remained there....at least my Dad didn't.

dflprincess

(28,071 posts)
19. My dad never talked about it, not even to my mom
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:30 PM
Oct 2021

I did hear a few stories of baseball games and what Pacific islands were like but nothing serious. Those stories were usually sparked by an episode of "McHale's Navy" & some question I or my brother might ask.

He was only 44 when he died, maybe he would have told us more as he aged like some vets seemed to do.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,287 posts)
21. My dad neither....never really told me about his experiences in WW2.
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:55 PM
Oct 2021

After he died, his best buddies relayed a story about how a Japanese sub fired 2 torpedo's that hit his carrier's hull, but failed to detonate. So, here I am today.

dflprincess

(28,071 posts)
27. Similar story
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 12:20 AM
Oct 2021

A few years ago I connected with the daughter of the pilot of Dad's plane. I heard the story of when their plane crashed on a deserted patch of land. Fortunately they were found within a day or so & were fine except for some scrapes and bruises.

Grumpy Old Guy

(3,155 posts)
30. My uncle had two P.T. boats shot out from beneath him.
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 12:47 AM
Oct 2021

I know he probably spent some time in the water. He never talked about it.

catchnrelease

(1,944 posts)
7. Awesome photos!!
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 10:59 PM
Oct 2021

Yesterday a women's art group I'm in had our monthly meeting at the home of our president, which is just a few miles inland in HB. OMG, all afternoon those guys were flying right over the house! A few times it sounded like they were going to scrape the roof off they were so low! But I love it and wished I could have run outside every time to see which one(s) were going over. Thanks for the photos!

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
8. Well, I see you came back after takin' names!
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:00 PM
Oct 2021

I liked the f-84. Last of the straight winged jets. Back when form and function came together to make elegant shapes and sensuous lines.

Oh, and your photography is up to the task of presenting it in all it's glory. Thanks!

FuzzyRabbit

(1,967 posts)
26. Yes, amazingly good photos.
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 12:10 AM
Oct 2021

I worked in a photo lab for 8 or 9 years, back in the olden days when we used something called "film". I printed thousands of photos of air shows, but I can't remember any that were this good.

Also, the straight wing jet is a T-33, the trainer version of the F-80, the first American jet fighter. I got to ride in a T-33 one time and it was a blast. The pilot was a very quiet air force colonel who became a wild man after we got in the air. He gave me the most fun plane ride of my life. This was in 1965, and I can remember it like it was yesterday.

Grumpy Old Guy

(3,155 posts)
31. Thanks for the kind words.
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 12:53 AM
Oct 2021

I'm a veteran of the film days too. In fact, I met my wife in her family's custom photolab. Now I'm continually amazed at what we can accomplish with digital photography. I miss the old days but I'm not going back.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,517 posts)
23. Wow, my dear Grumpy!
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:58 PM
Oct 2021

Fabulous action shots! I'll bet it was noisy too.

Beautiful machines, strutting their stuff!

Thank you so much!

Grumpy Old Guy

(3,155 posts)
32. RF 100-500mm
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 01:00 AM
Oct 2021

I'm shooting with my dream setup right now, a Canon EOS R5 with RF 24-105, RF 100-500 and Samyang 14mm. These shots were all with the RF 100-500. It's incredibly sharp, lightweight, and weather sealed. The EOS R5 has 45mp, which can handle heavy cropping if necessary.

3Hotdogs

(12,321 posts)
33. Thanx
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 10:04 AM
Oct 2021

I went to Atlantic City air show with my iPhone. Got some good stuff. I left my Nikon d800 and Nikon 100-500 home as I thought it would be a waste of time, carrying heavy stuff over the sand.

I guess I was wrong

So, next year

Grumpy Old Guy

(3,155 posts)
34. I normally don't take my gear to the beach.
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 10:22 AM
Oct 2021

I make an exception for this airshow. I cleaned everything when I got home.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,055 posts)
35. I have NO idea as to what the ID's of these aircraft are.
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 05:09 PM
Oct 2021

But is the jet in the next to the last picture breaking the sound barrier?

Grumpy Old Guy

(3,155 posts)
36. Yes and no. 😉
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 07:31 PM
Oct 2021

The phenomenom is known as a vapor cone, and it happens right around mach 1. There was no sonic boom, which would be illegal, so it was probably just a bit slower. The jets fly just above the surface of the ocean, and the shock waves knock the moisture off the aircraft. It happens in a fraction of a second, and if you blink you miss it. I was shooting at twelve frames per second and I just barely caught it.

yonder

(9,654 posts)
38. I want to call the 3rd and 4th shots a T-33 trainer.
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 12:15 PM
Oct 2021

It looks a little newer/sleeker than I remember but I'm going with it till told different.

Anyone know for sure?

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
42. Nice. I got to climb inside of one in Salem Oregon (two years ago, i think)
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:37 PM
Oct 2021

My dad was a young Marine assigned to a Marine Air Squadron in the South Pacific that flew them during WWII. His squadron was VMB612 if I remember correctly.

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