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Sat Aug 13, 2022, 08:39 PM

3 Parents arrested and 2 tased trying to get to their children


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Reply 3 Parents arrested and 2 tased trying to get to their children (Original post)
Mosby Aug 13 OP
stopdiggin Aug 13 #1
Phoenix61 Aug 13 #3
stopdiggin Aug 13 #4
Phoenix61 Aug 13 #5
stopdiggin Aug 13 #6
Phoenix61 Aug 13 #7
stopdiggin Aug 13 #9
Phoenix61 Aug 13 #11
stopdiggin Aug 14 #17
Phoenix61 Aug 14 #20
AZLD4Candidate 12 hrs ago #22
AZLD4Candidate 12 hrs ago #21
stopdiggin 8 hrs ago #25
AZLD4Candidate 8 hrs ago #26
Arkansas Granny Aug 13 #2
Mosby Aug 13 #8
stopdiggin Aug 13 #10
Pisces Aug 13 #12
stopdiggin Aug 14 #15
Pisces Aug 14 #16
stopdiggin Aug 14 #18
Pisces Aug 14 #19
AZLD4Candidate 12 hrs ago #23
stopdiggin 8 hrs ago #27
AZLD4Candidate 8 hrs ago #28
Kali Aug 13 #14
Phoenix61 Aug 13 #13
AZLD4Candidate 12 hrs ago #24

Response to Mosby (Original post)

Sat Aug 13, 2022, 08:53 PM

1. absolutely no sympathy

if it takes handcuffs and tasers to control people during these situations - that's on the people that are out of control.

these people were "trying to get to their children" during a lock-down. you can't do that - no matter how emotional you might be at the time. and if you are incapable of understanding that ... sorry. these people will probably end up not being charged, or lightly charged considering the action/offense - but they do have to maintain control during a potentially dangerous situation.

do police routinely allow relatives/parents to rush into a burning building - or one that has been cordoned off due to a gas leak? No!

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:07 PM

3. Yeah, those cops in Uvalde did such a great job

There’s no reason for parents to question the safety of their children.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:11 PM

4. and that's to be the model that we will use going forward?

'every man for himself' Right? Now there's a prescription for public safety! -- --

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:13 PM

5. There's a huge difference between preventing parents

from engaging in behavior and filing charges against them.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:22 PM

6. I'm saying they MUST be kept off (out of) the campus

during 'lockdown' situations such as this. It's an issue paramount to public safety. And if it takes a degree of force to achieve that ...

I would much prefer that citizens did not have to be tazed or restrained in this type of situation - but if it becomes necessary - that's on them.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:25 PM

7. There is no reason to file charges. That's nothing but bullshit. nt

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:31 PM

9. I said there would probably be no charges

(or very light ones, considering). And that is probably the correct stance in this situation. Doesn't at all change the fact that order HAS to be maintained in the field during these critical public safety incidents.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:53 PM

11. It literally says 3 parents were arrested!

Dropped or not that stays there forever!!!’Every time you fill out a job application or housing… Forever!!!

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 14, 2022, 12:16 AM

17. tough luck. still have to keep them outside the scene.

if you're such an outrageous horse's ass that you got yourself arrested ...
back to my original post - no real sympathy at all. it's all on you.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 14, 2022, 01:08 AM

20. Unbelievable. That's the most cold hearted thing I've ever read on DU.

Way to go. You got first place.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #20)

Wed Oct 5, 2022, 05:05 AM

22. The person you're replying to is either not a parent or thinks it's okay to arrest parents

terrified their children would be in danger and want to make sure their children come home upright and not feet first.

I agree with you. The person you're replying to is extremely cold hearted.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 5, 2022, 05:02 AM

21. God forbid it happens to your children. I'm sure you'll be a model of restraint

If your children's school is in that situation.

I would side eye any parent who didn't go nuts because their children were in danger and no one told them anything.

And this is a teacher and former school administrator speaking.

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #21)

Wed Oct 5, 2022, 08:48 AM

25. distraught is understandable

mob rule - and "I'll do what I damn well feel like" - nope. It's just silly to advocate that a cordoned off area (involving an active shooter) is somehow an 'optional' construct. And, no - being a parent does not change that parameter.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #25)

Wed Oct 5, 2022, 08:51 AM

26. We'll talk again if this ever happens to your children if you have any.

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Sat Aug 13, 2022, 08:57 PM

2. After Uvalde I can fully understand why parents would not trust police to protect their children.

Trust was destroyed and will be a long time before it is completely restored.

Police must realize that parents need to know what is happening and how the situation is being handled. I don't know the answers, but treating distraught parents like criminals can't be the solution.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:28 PM

8. Especially since many people know that police don't actually have a duty to protect

Putting up a perimeter and waiting just isn't acceptable.

I don't know what the answer is either but better communication is a start.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:34 PM

10. but you would agree that citizens are not allowed to

ignore or penetrate a 'perimeter' - at their own will?

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 13, 2022, 10:11 PM

12. They would have to arrest me I'm that is if they could stop me.

After Uvalde I wouldn’t trust them to protect my children they only protect themselves.

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Response to Pisces (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 14, 2022, 12:08 AM

15. in that case, I would prefer that they DO arrest you

rather than allow you to (quite possibly) endanger hundreds of others - in the course of your 'do it yourself' rescue operations.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 14, 2022, 12:15 AM

16. Better than letting a maniac kill a whole classroom because cops were

Afraid to go in.

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Response to Pisces (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 14, 2022, 12:21 AM

18. or 'inciting' a situation

in which a bunch of more people get killed? because your judgement is paramount to every other person (in the loop or not) at that scene?

the hubris involved is - simply enormous.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 14, 2022, 12:56 AM

19. The police have created an environment where parents feel

They need to take matters in their own hands.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 5, 2022, 05:07 AM

23. Your callous indifference to the lives of children and "comply and obey" attitude is downright

sickening. I'm sure you would sing a different tune if it were your children at their school.

"No, it's okay officer. I'll stay here nice and calm and not worry about anything because you put up a yellow line."

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Response to AZLD4Candidate (Reply #23)

Wed Oct 5, 2022, 08:57 AM

27. no, I would not.

and my 'empathy' for the parents, and loved ones, are quite nicely intact, thank you. But, 'empathy' and understanding do not translate into running amuck and making up your own rules. That way leads to an almost certain potential for more danger - for everyone.
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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #27)

Wed Oct 5, 2022, 09:05 AM

28. If police did they jobs and ran in to take out gunmen, then maybe people would feel safe

about their children.

Stoneman they didn't
Uvalde they didn't.

If it were my child, I don't care what the police say. . .I'm going to do everything I can to save my child.

But because the reputation of law enforcement is now act quick with brutal force when someone is unarmed, yet cower in fear if they are armed, there is no faith anymore in them.

You can be passive and compliant. I will say again. . .when it happens to your children, let's see how you react.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 13, 2022, 11:27 PM

14. hell the Stoneman Douglas incident was similar

cops afraid to do their jobs.

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Response to Mosby (Original post)

Sat Aug 13, 2022, 10:36 PM

13. Unfuckingbelievable!

They obviously have no system in place to communicate with parents to let them know what is going on. It says they evacuated due to a suspicious package. Where did they evacuate them to? Pathetic. Just pathetic.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 5, 2022, 05:10 AM

24. This is on the administration. Believe me, when they do things like this, they don't even tell the

teachers why. If we ask, we get told "we'll tell you later."

Then we need to reassure our students that everything will be fine.

School administrators are completely useless, overpaid, undertalented, and pathetic. Just like most police who think arresting and tasing terrified parents worried sick about the safely of irreplaceable children is acceptable behavior on their megalomanical, power mad, and almost unaccountable asses.

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