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Cleita

(75,480 posts)
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 07:51 PM Nov 2014

Congratulations Arroyo Grande, California. You just elected Homer Simpson as your mayor.

Jim Hill takes Arroyo Grande mayor's race

New numbers from the San Luis Obispo County Clerk's office show write-in candidate Jim Hill has ousted 12-year incumbent Tony Ferrara in the race for Arroyo Grande mayor.

Hill received 3090 write-in votes to Ferrara's 2995 vote, a difference of 95 votes. There were 26 other write in votes.

The city of Arroyo Grande was the center of a lot of controversy leading up to this election. The city manager was investigated for being in his office after hours with an employee but a city investigation found no wrong-doing. Some members of the community argued there should have been an independent investigation and the police union made a vote of non-confidence in Mayor Ferrara.

Hill initiated his write-in campaign during that turmoil, and eventually the city manager announced his resignation pending the city finding a replacement for him. A second investigation into the situation with the city manager is being conducted. The city is scheduled to hear an update on that investigation Wednesday.


more at this link: http://www.ksby.com/news/jim-hill-takes-arroyo-grande-mayor-s-race/

More about this candidate, now mayor. http://votersedge.org/california/2014/november/arroyo-grande/candidates/mayor/17671-jim-hill#.VGva5hwql5c

Jim Hill is a former nuclear engineer from our esteemed El Diablo Canyon nuclear plant. His campaign consisted of what looked like homemade signs plastered all over town, except that the signs all looked the same, like they were mass produced. Jumping people with signs were at street corners and in front of markets and shopping centers on weekends. That's a lot of volunteers in a small town like Arroyo Grande.

I'm curious where the money to fund this write in candidate came from. I doubt if it was local. With dark money these days, who knows? The candidate/winner was interviewed on the TVee last night and he was pretty inarticulate IMHO blathering about sewer problems. I understand there were sewer problems in 2010 and they were pretty much resolved by 2012.

I wish I had the resources and credentials to investigate this. This is an oil producing area and the companies are itching to frack. Could this tryst between the City Manager and a colleague after hours in City Hall have given those deep pockets an opportunity to jump in with a puppet write in candidate in one of the five cities area that they might be looking to take over
with city government more cooperative to issuing permits without too many question?

Are there any reporters in the area who might want to dig deeper? Inquiring minds really want to know.
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Congratulations Arroyo Grande, California. You just elected Homer Simpson as your mayor. (Original Post) Cleita Nov 2014 OP
Esteemed Diablo Canyon nuclear plant? upaloopa Nov 2014 #1
I'm with you and I was being sarcastic. Cleita Nov 2014 #2
Maybe they could work in the renewable upaloopa Nov 2014 #3
Solar is getting popular but not with PG & E. There's nothing to charge Cleita Nov 2014 #6
Exactly what is the Diablo Canyon Plant doing to ruin the Central Coast? Do you even know? NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #4
Yes, I know how safe it is from earthquakes. All the studies made by PG & E say so. Cleita Nov 2014 #5
Gunderson? Well. Anyway, DCPP is like a Tesla compared to the Yugo that was Fukushima. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #7
Diablo is going to be around until it's no longer around. Cleita Nov 2014 #8
I don't think it will be around that long. They could easily convert it to natural gas. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #9
Everybody says Diablo is higher, but a large earthquake will Cleita Nov 2014 #10
Because solar would never work out here. KamaAina Nov 2014 #12
It'll be a while, but solar works really well in the central valley. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #14
So instead of renewing the permits, why not decommission it now? Cleita Nov 2014 #15
If you don't mind building new gas fired power plants, then we take it off line. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #16
We do not need to build gas powered plants. Cleita Nov 2014 #17
Sure, it could feasibly be done, enough solar and wind, but the regulatory hurdles slow it down. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #18
It is more complicated than can be expressed in single posts. Cleita Nov 2014 #19
You know what else works well in the Central Valley? Irrigation. KamaAina Nov 2014 #20
Mayor Quimby lost?! KamaAina Nov 2014 #11
LOL! eom Cleita Nov 2014 #13

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. Esteemed Diablo Canyon nuclear plant?
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 07:55 PM
Nov 2014

I hope we can shut the fucker down before it ruins the whole Central Coast!
We got San Onofre soon Diablo Canyon!

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
2. I'm with you and I was being sarcastic.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 08:02 PM
Nov 2014

It will be an uphill battle. Too many people are afraid of losing their jobs there.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
3. Maybe they could work in the renewable
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 08:12 PM
Nov 2014

energy field. Help develop solar, wind and geothermal.
We lost on Measure P in Santa Barbara County it was our anti fracking measure.
But with lower oil prices fracking may be too expensive right now.
Ruin our water to export oil real smart voters!

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
6. Solar is getting popular but not with PG & E. There's nothing to charge
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 08:37 PM
Nov 2014

customers for with roof top although I know people who have 100% solar electric including air conditioning. Also, progress is being made on storage too so you can store the electricity when there is sun for when there isn't.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
4. Exactly what is the Diablo Canyon Plant doing to ruin the Central Coast? Do you even know?
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 08:16 PM
Nov 2014

It's absolutely out of sight, security is unsurpassed, and great attention is paid to preventing harm to the various sea critters that live in the water near the cooling water intakes and outflows.

The plant produces 2,240 Megawatts of Carbon Free baseload power, 24/7.

It's the second largest powerplant in the state and generates almost 10% of all our electricity.

http://www.energy.ca.gov/nuclear/california.html

It's safe from earthquakes: http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/PGE-Diablo-Canyon-Nuclear-Plant-is-Earthquake-Safe-Despite-Newly-Detected

Now, I'm not in favor of building any new old-technology plants, but tearing down any good ones right now will only lead to burning more natural gas.



Cleita

(75,480 posts)
5. Yes, I know how safe it is from earthquakes. All the studies made by PG & E say so.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 08:30 PM
Nov 2014
However, the seismologists at Cal-Tech seem to think differently.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE? Putting the foxes in charge of the hen house seems to apply here.

Here is something to read: http://ecowatch.com/2014/09/06/california-fukushima-diablo-nuclear/2/

A shock that size from any of the fault lines near Diablo could reduce it to a seething pile of radioactive hell, far deadlier than Fukushima. Prevailing winds could blanket virtually all of North America with its deadly fallout.

The nuclear industry would immediately deny all health impacts. It would blame “unpredictable” God and nature.

But a 42-page report from NRC inspector Dr. Michael Peck says new fault line discoveries challenge Diablo’s “presumption of nuclear safety.”

Buried by the NRC for at least a year, it was released by Friends of the Earth and reported on by the Associated Press and the great enviro-journalist Karl Grossman, as well as by the Nuclear Information & Resource Service and Beyond Nuclear.

Peck has a doctorate in nuclear engineering and was Diablo’s chief on-site inspector for five years. He’s now a senior instructor at the NRC’s Technical Training Center in Tennessee. His status as a current NRC employee makes such a critical report highly unusual—and alarming.

Nuclear engineer Arnie Gundersen has warned about sea-level intake pipes like those at Diablo. When the tsunami struck Fukushima, he writes, “The cooling equipment along the shoreline was turned into a scrap yard of twisted metal.”

Then there is fire.

Diablo Canyon, writes David Lochbaum of the Union of Concerned Scientists, “has never, ever complied with fire safety regulations, not even for a second by mistake.”

“The one-two punch of earthquake/tsunami caused Fukushima,” Lochbaum wrote in an email to me.

“A one-two punch of earthquake/fire could cause Diablo Canyon.”
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
7. Gunderson? Well. Anyway, DCPP is like a Tesla compared to the Yugo that was Fukushima.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 08:46 PM
Nov 2014

There's no comparison between the two plants' designs and the maintenance at DCPP is state-of-the-art.

If you think PG&E can manipulate the data and not be busted by the feds, then I'm afraid you don't know how these things work.

Diablo is going to be around for a while, and it should be there for us during the transition to more wind and solar with reliable storage and a smart grid.

And smart meters to go along with them.

A surprising number of "progressives" are against smart meters, too.

Which really cracks me up.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
8. Diablo is going to be around until it's no longer around.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 08:52 PM
Nov 2014

Also, it has passed it's expiration date in case you didn't know. Of course that 9.0 earthquake predicted by the scientists could be in fifty years or it could be tomorrow. Talk to me then if either of us is still alive.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
9. I don't think it will be around that long. They could easily convert it to natural gas.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:41 PM
Nov 2014

For all the kerfluffle over seismic standards, and further ado about seismic testing and marine life impact, etc., etc., with the further comparisons to Fukushima, there's just a lot of fear and uncertainty and doubt.

It wasn't the earthquake that took out Fuku, it was the tsunami. Diablo is sited much higher and the same tsunami wouldn't take it out. The local faults that were unknown 30 years ago are slip faults, it's unlikely a quake would result in a release of radioactive materials.

Fukushima reactors were low and near the water and are of the Boiling Water Reactor type, while Diablo reactors are Pressurized Water Reactors that have a far lower likelihood of radioactive water contaminating the secondary water cycle which then might escape the plant entirely.

As I mentioned, Diablo could be converted into a natural gas powered plant and some people would probably be delighted.

Not me. I'd prefer we leave it alone to live out it's useful life. The place is immaculate. Control room staff spend something like 25% of their time in drills and training.

And, the Fukushima incident has led to an entire series of reviews and updates to equipment and procedures, making any sort of incident even less likely.

I confess a little bit of love for this plant, since it's there and running well. It's a damn solid plant and the fuel isn't a carbon based fossil fuel.

One day we won't need either, right now we need both, unfortunately.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
10. Everybody says Diablo is higher, but a large earthquake will
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:48 PM
Nov 2014

rearrange the landscape and it could go up or down. The 1964 Anchorage, Alaska earthquake, a 9+ seismic event, dropped a whole valley into the sound. I was there five years later and the dead tree tops that were poisoned with the sea water were mute testimony to the fact that the ground had been much higher before the event. With earthquakes, you don't know what destruction they are going to cause.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
12. Because solar would never work out here.
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 01:07 AM
Nov 2014

Especially not in places like Sac, the sunniest place on Earth that isn't in a desert.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
14. It'll be a while, but solar works really well in the central valley.
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 01:19 AM
Nov 2014

I put together a 500kW project not far from Sacramento.

I'd be happy to tell you about it offline.

As to Diablo, it's a solid plant, I've had the full behind the scenes tour more than once, all over the turbine decks, control rooms, up to the storage tanks and down to the training center, it's very impressive.

But they refused to take me into the BRTs.

There's every reason not to build another one, but no reason to take this one offline right now.

Once it is finally decommissioned, we can start using the Helms Pumped Storage facility to store wind energy!



Cleita

(75,480 posts)
15. So instead of renewing the permits, why not decommission it now?
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 02:00 AM
Nov 2014

It will still take a year or so to power it down. In the meantime some meaningful alternative energies can be worked on. You know all those earthquake assurances they did aren't very reliable? It seems the Cal Tech seismologists can't get their hands on the empirical data. They aren't saying it out loud, I guess not to make waves, but a local radio guy accidentally spilled it on air that they told him good luck on getting it, and then tried to retract it. If you have any way of contacting Cal Tech in Pasadena to verify this, maybe it will make you a good guy when you learn the facts.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
16. If you don't mind building new gas fired power plants, then we take it off line.
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 02:17 AM
Nov 2014

But that will mean more greenhouse gases and more fracking.

There's no free lunch here. California is already the most energy efficient state (not including transportation).

We haven't solved the energy storage problem well enough to store wind energy which is more prevalent at night.

And permitting for utility scale wind and solar takes years and years, and people kvetch about bird kills and habitat impacts.

I'm already a good guy, I don't need more facts to become one.

The seismic concerns and studies came as an even greater level of scrutiny following Fukushima at a plant, Diablo, that's already survived about every sort of test there could be.

So many different interest groups have been fighting, it's dizzying. Can't do the seismic studies cuz of the possible impact on marine mammals, and none of this would be happening if not for the incident at the very poorly designed plant in Japan.

Diablo is not Fukushima.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
17. We do not need to build gas powered plants.
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 12:47 PM
Nov 2014

We have the technology for clean renewable energy and many smart people have made blue prints as to how it could be done in place of Diablo, but Duke Energy and PG & E fight it, like insurance companies fight us having single payer or even a public option.

What we need is a Department of Water & Power that is run by the County of San Luis Obispo like is done down south. It would then be non-profit so it would do the best options to taking care of our electrical needs not looking for profits at the expense of our safety.

I know the publicists for PG & E are really good at serving up the Kool-Aid because I find a lot of people spout the same meme you are right here especially those employed by them or doing business with them but it's just a bunch of propaganda.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
18. Sure, it could feasibly be done, enough solar and wind, but the regulatory hurdles slow it down.
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 01:19 PM
Nov 2014

Sigh.

Respectfully, do you know what "decoupling" means in the California utility sector?

The "all they want is profit" claim is specious. One of the good outcomes of the Enron mess was decoupling and the establishment of the ISO, which is another awesome field trip I've been privileged to have been provided twice.

Your county doesn't get it's power exclusively from Diablo, and Diablo power doesn't stay exclusively in your county.]

If your county created it's own utility it would have to abide by the same rules as any Investor Owned Utility, loading order, renewable portfolio standard, etc., etc., AND keep rates low.

In all likelihood, that new utility would buy nuclear power from time to time, and possibly even out of state coal power. That's how it works.

Unless that utility can borrow enough money to build out it's own 100% renewable generating facilities AND manage storage technologies, it will remain a part of the larger grid and likely have to purchase fossil fuel and nuclear power.

It's an interesting topic, I've been in it for years and I don't work for a utility company, I just happen to know more about it than others.

If you haven't yet been, take a ride out to Santa Margarita and see a very impressive 250 MW solar plant:
California Valley Solar Ranch
13505 Carrisa Hwy
Santa Margarita, CA 93453

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
19. It is more complicated than can be expressed in single posts.
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 01:26 PM
Nov 2014

That's certain. But I have pinpointed a few places where our local governments and the power plants have been disingenuous. We need to fix it, not just assume everything is all right. I might take a trip down to that solar farm, however, I'm into more efficient ways. Unfortunately the most efficient way is not the most profitable for the power companies.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
20. You know what else works well in the Central Valley? Irrigation.
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 01:27 PM
Nov 2014

It is laced with hundreds of miles of canals like these in India.

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