Ship Found During Ground Zero Excavation Traced Back To 1773

[hrmjustin]

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NEW YORK(CBSNewYork) — There was new information on Tuesday night about a 32-foot wooden ship that was found buried at Ground Zero.

Tests on the tree rings in the oak fragments recovered from the site showed that the vessel dates back to 1773.

Experts were able to match the oak to varieties that grow in the United States.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/07/29/ship-found-during-ground-zero-excavation-traced-back-to-1773/

[HooptieWagon]

1. 32' is not a ship.

Thats a fishing smack, or a coastal trading sloop.

[hrmjustin]

2. Are there official classifications? I know nothing of boats even though I live by the water.

[HooptieWagon]

3. No, there's no official standard.

But generally, a ship would be expected to be able to cross the Atlantic in most any weather. That boat likely never went south of the Chesapeake, or north of Boston. It would be dangerous at sea in winter or in hurricane season, which combined is 9 or 10 months out of the year. Plus, if it had a shoal draft (necessary for Hudson and other rivers), stability would be a big problem in heavy seas. It most likely was used to pick up or deliver cargo that was carried across the Atlantic or Carribbean by larger ships. Like FedEx ships across country by a 727, then packages are delivered by small trucks.

[hrmjustin]

10. thanks, idid not know this.

[Historic NY]

4. Its a sloop......the pickup truck of Hudson River Ships..

Hudson River Sloop, typically used by the Dutch to transport passengers and cargo through shallow, rocky water.

Sloops can be a variety of sizes...

http://www.ferrysloops.org/history.html

[appal_jack]

5. "Let me be your mate, Clearwater..."

You are correct that Hudson River sloops did indeed function as the pickup trucks of their day, but What an elegant form they had for that function! Kudos to Pete Seeger (may he rest in peace) and every friend and volunteer at Clearwater, Ferry Sloops, etc. the other that keeps these ships sailing to this day.

"Let me be your mate, Clearwater..."

-app

[Historic NY]

9. I've watch the Clearwater for years plying the

waters of the Hudson, always liked her loads of pumpkins. Her little friends frequently scoot about from their base.

[appal_jack]

15. My quote was from a song I recall being sung on the sloop.

My quote was from a song I recall being sung on the sloop. I worked as the assistant Environmental Educator for a few months in 1990, and volunteered a few other times back then. Folk music was a part of every day there, from morning wake-up through bed time.

If you ever have the time, I highly recommend volunteering with them - they are a wonderful group of people!



-app

[hrmjustin]

11. Cool stuff.

[C Moon]

6. I love the knowledge in this thread! It's very interesting. Keep talking please. :)

[hrmjustin]

12. I agree. Never knew this stuff and I live by the water.

[ErikJ]

7. Used for landfill-

It has maps showing how Manhattan grew from a marsh 300 yrs ago to current size.

Watch Manhattan’s Boundaries Expand Over 250 Years
http://gizmodo.com/watch-new-york-city-s-boundaries-expand-over-250-years-496440467

[progressoid]

8. Cool article.

[hrmjustin]

13. Thanks.

[HooptieWagon]

14. Yes, exactly.

In those days, wharves were created by grounding derelict vessels and filling them with stones. Then the shore was filled in out to them with more stones, debris, probably garbage, and fill dirt. The shoreline was much farher inland then, its been extended out maybe 1/2 mile or more.