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DebJ

(7,699 posts)
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:32 PM May 2014

My parents just moved to Asheboro and bought a new car.

They paid 35000 for a van with a lift because Mom is in a wheelchair.
Now the van is ready, lift installed, check cashed, and NOW the dealer
tells them that until Dad gets his license in NC, he can't register the car.
You are not allowed to own a car in North Carolina unless you have a license.
WTF? So old people can't buy a car and outfit it to suit the needs of their
handicap, and then hire someone to drive it for them? That's what my Aunt
has to do in Maryland; she has elephantitis and has lost a leg to it so far.

In NC, to get a license you have to take even the driving test again. Here in Pa,
all I had to do was surrender my Maryland license. Dad's 82 and he's going to
be so nervous I don't know how he will pass. Mom can't get a license thanks to
a drunk driver who put her in a wheelchair and almost blinded her at the age of 60,
crushing her eye sockets with her dash board and he ran into her head on at 55 mph.

Dad doesn't drive far or often; just to a local diner for lunch. Often my sister drives
the van for him. Whenever there is another licensed driver going, Dad has them drive.
He's not dumb. But they do need to get from place to place and my sister can't always take
them. And when someone else drives, it is my parent's expense for car insurance, gas,
mileage, etc. So now they will have to what, get a cab that Mom can't even get into?

I'm sorry but I'm really hating on the south right now. At least they did manage to register
to vote; I was worried about that with the changes. Just that now, they won't be able to get
to the polls. My sister is a Jehovah Witness so she CAN'T drive them to vote.







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My parents just moved to Asheboro and bought a new car. (Original Post) DebJ May 2014 OP
And of course, elleng May 2014 #1
It's all about the commission HeiressofBickworth May 2014 #3
Because Freedumb. It seems dumber the voter, dumber the representatives voted in to create Fred Sanders May 2014 #2
Not Just NC armed_and_liberal May 2014 #4
If you can't get liability insurance without a license, then how come in Pa DebJ May 2014 #5
Let your Asheboro sister work it out No Vested Interest May 2014 #10
Actually I think she would enjoy having them completely immobilized. DebJ May 2014 #18
Been there... armed_and_liberal May 2014 #32
The dealer should of let your dad know CC May 2014 #6
But that law makes no provision for people like my Aunt, who is wheelchair bound DebJ May 2014 #7
I agree that there should be CC May 2014 #9
Thanks. DebJ May 2014 #20
Cut the crap! Your sister CAN drive your parents to vote.... TheDebbieDee May 2014 #8
Did you post on the CC May 2014 #11
Thanks but see my last paragraph in the OP. n/t DebJ May 2014 #13
Oops CC May 2014 #14
Actually one day my sister said my mother needed medication DebJ May 2014 #17
I didn't see this until now. CC May 2014 #30
There will be someone to get your parents to the polls. No Vested Interest May 2014 #12
LOL how absurd I didn't think of that, since I've volunteered myself to do that. DebJ May 2014 #19
Good parents. As a senior myself I understand the beginnings of No Vested Interest May 2014 #33
No, actually, this is a valid reason for her because of the JW. DebJ May 2014 #16
i wish i could help. barbtries May 2014 #35
Check the state law regarding... JayhawkSD May 2014 #15
Thanks! n/t DebJ May 2014 #21
when i moved to NC i had to turn in my CA license barbtries May 2014 #22
thanks! a cousin of mine who worked there sent me an email late last night DebJ May 2014 #23
Plural probably means written and eye tests. JayhawkSD May 2014 #27
agree. barbtries May 2014 #28
"Hating the south" because of a North Carolina law... Nitram May 2014 #24
You are right. And my Dad is from New Orleans by the way. n/t DebJ May 2014 #25
Sounds like them governmentt hating southerners actually love government randys1 May 2014 #26
Dad can't keep his old DL more than 30 days. FBaggins May 2014 #29
Oh no I hope I don't have to parallel park at 65 or something. DebJ May 2014 #31
YEAH! NC changed their laws effective May 1 2014. He got his license yesterday. DebJ May 2014 #34
excellent. barbtries May 2014 #36
Hate I am let to this, but for future reference Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #37
Brilliant! Thanks. n/t DebJ Jun 2014 #38
I'm sorry your parents are having difficulties...but voting should not be a problem. mnhtnbb Jun 2014 #39

elleng

(130,865 posts)
1. And of course,
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:40 PM
May 2014

the dealer should have informed them of this requirement BEFORE the sale.

VERY sorry. I have a cousin who moved to Asheboro about a year ago, and she loves it, having moved from eastern NC.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
3. It's all about the commission
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:53 PM
May 2014

Why would a dealer risk a commission by telling a potential buyer of the qualifications for owning a car in the state. Gotta get that money first!!! After that, it's pretty much the buyer's problem. Like I've said many times before, it's all about the money.

Maybe they could use facebook or some other consumer site to report the deceptive practices of the dealership. And yes, I also believe there is some ageism in it -- older people can be treated as nothing more than a mark.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. Because Freedumb. It seems dumber the voter, dumber the representatives voted in to create
Tue May 27, 2014, 09:40 PM
May 2014

dumb laws that serve no purpose but more government control.

Notice how much government control there is in red States, police included, where true freedom is enjoyed by only the rich and corporations. They must think freedom is limited in quantity so it must be rationed?

armed_and_liberal

(246 posts)
4. Not Just NC
Tue May 27, 2014, 10:09 PM
May 2014

Many states make it impossible to register a car for the simple reason of requiring liability insurance at the time of issue. You can't get liability insurance without a drivers licence.

The simple fix is to register the van in you or your sisters name and let your dad drive it.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
5. If you can't get liability insurance without a license, then how come in Pa
Tue May 27, 2014, 10:15 PM
May 2014

you don't need a license to register a vehicle? Just a state ID card would do.

I live in PA so I can't help them. IF Dad has an accident, he'll screw up my sister's insurance.

This is really sickening to me. I had posted a few times before about my concerns with my
parents moving in with this sister, and all the bad stuff I foresaw is happening, (my sister
ignores Mom) and now this. If they had moved in with me, Mom would have the company
she requires to be happy and this whole car/license thing wouldn't be happening. There hasn't
been one good thing about them moving there. My sister bullied them into moving with her from
WV; there wasn't any family discussion at all; she just up and took them, after telling her three
sisters (including me) that she pretty much hated and resented Mom. She pretty much treats
Mom that way. It's just nauseating.

No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
10. Let your Asheboro sister work it out
Tue May 27, 2014, 11:58 PM
May 2014

if she's the one responsible for your parents being there.

Encourage your Dad to try for the license. If he's unsuccessful the first time, try again when he's ready.
AARP and some other groups have tests/help for older drivers.
Go to the local Council on Aging, or whatever serves that purpose in their new community.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
18. Actually I think she would enjoy having them completely immobilized.
Wed May 28, 2014, 02:03 AM
May 2014

Independence as much as possible has always been a core part of my parents' identity, and aging is really crushing them because they have lost some of that capability.

My sister just wants guardianship; she wants them to feel crushed and incapable. Every time they make a phone call and she is there, she butts in and tries to take over the conversation. Once it was about some 11 dollar bill my Mom received; Mom was somewhat horrified that Cheryl just butted in. She was mortified. Cheryl does this all the time, and while my Mom is resentful, she is also beginning to wonder if she isn't indeed incapable. I talk to Mom every day, sometimes for an hour. I visited them in late February. They are capable. Cheryl wants to prove they are not.

armed_and_liberal

(246 posts)
32. Been there...
Wed May 28, 2014, 09:42 PM
May 2014

I feel for you,these are always tough situations when mutiple family members are involved. We had a very rough time with my Mom and youngest sister.

Myself and two other siblings thought it was great that Mom wanted to be with my youngest sister. Youngest sister had a rough life of alcohol abuse and abusive relationships, she was turning her life around when Mom moved in. It went great for a few years and then as Mom's health began to deteriorate about 5 years ago my sister began to fall apart and got into a relationship with a guy who got my sister to steal money from Mom. Mom wasn't aware of what was going on. I found out about the missing money($28K) when I did her taxes. I had to cut my sister from having access to Mom"s bank accounts, except for a small checking account to maintain the home and buy food for herself.

Few months later little sister was drunk and totaled mom's car, 3rd DUI in 5 years. Lost her licence and mandatory jail time. I offered to move Mom in with me in NY and care for her, but I'm the farthest away so Mom didn't want to be that far away from the other 3 children( My siblings live with 25 miles of each other). We finally worked it out to my middle sister moving near my Mom and alternately helping Mom and keeping the younger sister in check once she was released from jail. I would come down every 6 to 8 weeks for a few days to give everyone a break. This went on until my Mom died in 2012.

Best of luck to you
Rick

CC

(8,039 posts)
6. The dealer should of let your dad know
Tue May 27, 2014, 10:30 PM
May 2014

a head of time. There is a good reason for having laws like NC has. It is to keep unlicensed drivers from buying, tagging and driving a car. Now to help your dad maybe he could get in touch with a local senior group to see if he could get some help with getting himself a NC license. Sometimes they have volunteers to help them through the process. Besides a local senior group is a wonderful way to make new friends and find good resources.



DebJ

(7,699 posts)
7. But that law makes no provision for people like my Aunt, who is wheelchair bound
Reply to CC (Reply #6)
Tue May 27, 2014, 11:00 PM
May 2014

She has a car licensed in Maryland, and pays a young woman to drive her out to the malls, movies
or grocery store twice a week. Without that, she would be stuck in her house and never, ever able
to get out. It is cheaper for her to own her own vehicle and pay someone to drive her than to use
other alternatives....which in her case, there really aren't any, anyway. There should be exceptions.
But hey, its just old broke handicapped people, so WHO CARES?

CC

(8,039 posts)
9. I agree that there should be
Tue May 27, 2014, 11:57 PM
May 2014

some kind of work around. I am in MD so can't really say if there is a work around in NC. That is why I suggest they get in touch with a local senior group. Has anyone called NC DMV to see it there is a work around? I wouldn't trust a dealer that didn't warn me ahead of time to know squat beyond normal tagging of new cars. Hope they and you can figure something out.


 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
8. Cut the crap! Your sister CAN drive your parents to vote....
Tue May 27, 2014, 11:23 PM
May 2014

She just doesn't want to. I get sick of hearing abt people using their religion as an excuse for doing something or not doing something. There's nothing in Witness doctrine to prevent uour sister from driving your p arents to the polls.

CC

(8,039 posts)
11. Did you post on the
Wed May 28, 2014, 12:00 AM
May 2014

OP? The OP is worried about his parents getting their new car registered and being able to drive. I didn't see anything about voting or religion.

CC

(8,039 posts)
14. Oops
Wed May 28, 2014, 01:11 AM
May 2014

I only missed a line. As some one else said they will find a way to vote if they really want to get there. Having Witness's in the family I know they don't vote and some don't condone being concerned with this world's affairs at all.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
17. Actually one day my sister said my mother needed medication
Wed May 28, 2014, 01:58 AM
May 2014

because Mom is always talking about politics and religion and people in the news that she doesn't even know... this was just
after a big storm where an infant had died. To my NC sister, this is a sign of insanity or severe depression. I told her no, it is a different world view, where you care about other people. Mom has always been that way, and i am too. But to Cheryl, caring about strangers is a sign of mental illness. Seriously. That is exactly what she said.

She did take Mom to a doctor within her first week down there and got a prescription for an antidepressant. Mom took it a few times then refused, and we see no need for her to take that crap. But it would have made the guardianship request more feasible, you know? An anti-depressant is not going to cure the alternate isolation and badgering that my sister imposes upon my mother. I told Cheryl that, phrasing it more diplomatically. She told me that she studied psychology in nursing school and already knew everything she could ever need to know, and didn't want to hear anything from anyone about anything. She was a nurse for about 2 years 33 years ago, then quit when she became a JW. The little that we did talk, she was quoting things like from a nursing home manual (she worked at one for about 18 months). I said Cheryl, Mom doesn't need you to relate to her like a nurse. She needs you to relate to you like her DAUGHTER.

CC

(8,039 posts)
30. I didn't see this until now.
Wed May 28, 2014, 03:06 PM
May 2014

Only my opinion and not worth much but your sister sounds like she is the one needs help. Even the JW's in our family know they are the ones following a different path and some of them are 4th generation JW. Personally I look at it more as a cult but also believe in letting each choose their own way so keep quiet. I would really try to get your parents to get out as much as they can and get an alternative support system besides your sister. Maybe you can find groups on the net to suggest to them. Wishing you and them good luck. I know it is hard when you aren't close enough to do it yourself.


No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
12. There will be someone to get your parents to the polls.
Wed May 28, 2014, 12:02 AM
May 2014

If sister can't or won't, call the local party headquarters - they'll find someone.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
19. LOL how absurd I didn't think of that, since I've volunteered myself to do that.
Wed May 28, 2014, 02:06 AM
May 2014

But they never needed me to do that, or they put me to work doing other things.

Thanks for the reminder! My parents have always voted true blue.

No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
33. Good parents. As a senior myself I understand the beginnings of
Wed May 28, 2014, 11:19 PM
May 2014

limitations on their independence.
Keep talking with Mom; that will bolster her courage.
Thank goodness they have each other; one really does give strength to the other.
Best wishes for you and parents.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
16. No, actually, this is a valid reason for her because of the JW.
Wed May 28, 2014, 01:46 AM
May 2014

She won't take them to Bingo, either, because, you know, so many people have gambled their homes away at Bingo and destroyed their families' lives. She won't tell them NOT to vote or not to play Bingo, she just can't drive them there (sarcasm...yes gambling can be an addiction, but Bingo?). She has driven them to other places. Her MIL lives with her also, and some days she is busy with the MIL's appointments and so isn't available for our parents. Two to three days a week she is working with the Witnesses, and so isn't available. And she has Marfin syndrome and has a lot of health issues herself, spending some days in bed.

This car thing is just one more stack on an ever deepening pile. I just needed to vent or else I'll be crying. Again.

I just wished we'd had an open family discussion and had my parents choose to move in here with me, the car and license and other things that are big issues for them now would not be issues with me. Their moving was never discussed with me or my other two sisters. The NC sister arranged everything in secret, and then bullied my parents into it. My parents actually had not decided to move yet; they were just beginning to talk about it with their aging expediting the last few years.
My sister lied to them and told them that my house was far too small, which isn't true ... (we all live in different states) furthermore, my sister has never seen my house (she lived all over the USA over the years but never close by). In fact, she never visited me once in 35 years. In 35 years, she visited one of us three other sisters once, and she rarely called any of us. (She did however, take vacations every year, going to Alaska and cruises on the North Atlantic and other places.)She got married at 21, moved out of state, and that has been pretty much the end of it, with no one in the family really
understanding why. After it was just suddenly announced that my parents were moving to NC with them, I tried to discuss it with my sister, explaining my house was an option also. She said 'it's too small'. Now, she's not even on Facebook (internet is sort of a no-no for her church also), so she has never so much as even seen a picture of my home. I tried to talk to her three times about it, and she immediately terminated each call. When I tried to talk to Mom about it, she kept saying she hadn't decided anything yet. She knew she needed help, and hated it; knew she needed to do something, but wasn't quite ready yet. Then, one day, my sister says "I'm taking them with me tomorrow", and that was about it.

My sister and her husband decided my parents were moving in with them, and told no one in the family. They did some repairs on my parents house for them for about 1500.00 and told them 'pay us back when you can'. Four months later, they said we have to have the money now, so Mom put the house on the market and then felt forced to move in with them. She's 85 and has reached the point where she can be pushed into things. Actually, she's always been sort of that way. And now
she regrets it. Deeply. She's been crying for months. I'm her best friend, so she's been crying to me. Daily. On the phone. For months.

Even when my sister is at home with my parents, she goes to her little corner of the house shuts all the doors and ignores them. Even when my sister is in the kitchen, and my mother says something directly to her, my sister won't answer her. I asked my sister about that, she says she just doesn't like to talk. She leaves the house and doesn't tell them, and might not return for 6 or more hours. We have repeatedly asked her to let Mom and Dad know when she is leaving and for about how long she will be gone. Sometimes, now, she says she is leaving, but never says any estimate of how long she will be
gone. This sister (until I pretty much stopped speaking to her) complained incessantly about how Mom repeats things and talks all the time. Well, as her other three sisters, who HAVE called our Mom and visited all the time over the years, know, Mom could talk anyone to death. So could the three of us. I'd love to have Mom here chatting my ears off for what very little time she has left. Instead,she is living with a daughter who ignored her for 35 years long-distance, and now, she does it up close and personal, right in the face even, having moved Mom too far away for any of the other three of us to visit
except maybe once or twice a year for a day or two. Mom is heart-broken and lonely. She has stopped eating so much
she looks like a skeleton. She goes out to lunch with Dad every day, but doesn't eat. She doesn't want to live confined
to a wheelchair, in an empty house, in a city where she knows no one. She says now she made a big mistake.


Just before this sister snatched our parents away, before I knew what was going on, this sister said our mother is insane and always has been, and that she felt psychologically abused by our parents as a child. She only visited them like once very 4 years or so, for two days, over the 35 years she has been gone, and she rarely returned or answered their phone calls. She said that she was glad she lived far away because as an adult, they treated her like crap when she visited. Me and my other two sisters were there all these times, and we saw nothing at all like this happening. My sister expressed very deep resentment and anger. When we asked her about that anger, she says 'oh, I'm over it now'. Then she snatches my parents away and ignores them, is rude and curt when she does speak, shows no affection. My mother is extremely sociable and just withers and dies when left alone, and what she wants most is her family. Within two weeks of my parents moving there, my sister was pressuring her three siblings to obtain a court order declaring her as guardian of them for all things, medical, financial, etc., which is unnecessary and would be crushing to them. We didn't support her on that. They need help, but not guardianship. The weird thing is that this isn't about money (except my parents are paying her 500 a month rent, but Mom offered that of her own volition I know). My parents don't have crap. They only got 84000 for their home, and then spent 35000 on the car. I think my sister has control issues. Well, we can all see now that she does. She is curt and rude and demanding to everyone.

When my sister said my mother was insane, the sister was deadly serious and yet had a bizarre smile on her face. Creepy. I asked her twice to explain that judgment; she was completely silent. But I did just read that for the JW, everyone who is not a JW will be eternally damned, unless one is insane. So, maybe that's what's behind the smile. This sister says she got over her emotions because her husband provided her the instructions of the JW: emotions are essentially tools of the devil; even marital love is quite a cool-toned concept. So my sister just 'decided' not to feel jealous and hurt anymore. Yep, she thinks so. Then this woman who was so quiet as a child explodes into rages out of nowhere, on the phone, and we saw her do it during the move...some of the most ridiculous, frightening episodes... and this is who has care of the two people who gave everything for me, who loved all of us without qualification no matter what and did their best to always help us over the years. Mom often says she doesn't know why God lets her wake up in the morning, to face another day of no one and nothing.

I'm still trying to arrange for them to come visit me this summer for an extended stay. I tried to get them to do that last fall, and actually for the year before the move; the idea was to let us all see what it would be like to be living together. But travelling is very hard for Mom with her wheelchair and other medical conditions, and Dad's back has been hurting a lot too. It's a 7 hour drive to my house one way. I told Mom we could drive for three hours, stay at a hotel room, then drive the rest the next day. I hope I can do this. My NC sister is working hard to discourage them from visiting me. She accused me of trying to get Mom to love me more than her. I said that's ridiculous; love isn't like a box of cookies one must ration; you can't earn more or less love from our parents, the only qualification was being their child. But, oh, she's over all her issues she let fester for 35 freaking years. Anyway, if Mom comes up here, she won't be living in the middle of a forest. I'll be here and in the same room and talking to her. She will be only 90 minutes away from her sister and another daughter and a grandson, and 2 hours from a granddaughter and two great grandchildren. She is so starved at this point one doctor said she only had months to live, so I hope I can bring her the happiness she craves before then. I just want her to be happy. If she were happy at my sister's, I'd be delighted. of course I had to cry about her moving too far away, but I got past that after the shock at the abruptness. I've spent every moment i could with Mom over the years, every holiday, and every other time I could. I've called her daily for the last 7 years, and often the last two, more than once a day. All the years before, I called her at least weekly. So I got my time, and I'm glad I did. My two other sisters did manage to give me a faint hope that maybe by moving in with Cheryl, things would be repaired (things Mom didn't know were damaged...helluva a way to find out, being wheelchair bound and stuck in a dependency mode on this person). That hope is dashed now. No way. Its been months and months and it is still ugly. My sister insists on leaving the phone on speaker phone when I call Mom. So now Mom tries to call when the sister is out.

Thanks DU for letting me vent instead of cry. I have cried way too much over the past 8 months since this crap
began. It's crushing to have your 85 year old Mom call you in tears and severe depression almost every day
for months. Oh well, time to go to bed.


barbtries

(28,787 posts)
35. i wish i could help.
Thu May 29, 2014, 12:34 PM
May 2014

your sister appears to be the one with the issues, very serious issues at that. i feel so badly for your parents right now, and you.
maybe you could fly down there and free them. get your other siblings to go with you, pack them up, and drive them back in their van with you. pull the rug out from under your mean sister.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
15. Check the state law regarding...
Wed May 28, 2014, 01:22 AM
May 2014

...the sale of a car being legal when the buyer is unable to register it. Some states have a provision that if the buyer cannot register the vehicle then the sale is void. It's intended to protect against sale of faulty cars, but might be useable as a loophole.

Probably not, actually, but it costs nothing to check it out, and it might work.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
22. when i moved to NC i had to turn in my CA license
Wed May 28, 2014, 04:59 AM
May 2014

and take the written test only. i don't think they'll make him drive, but if they do, make sure he has a passenger car to take the test; that should relieve the stress.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
23. thanks! a cousin of mine who worked there sent me an email late last night
Wed May 28, 2014, 08:21 AM
May 2014

and that's sort of what it sounded like to me, but the website doesn't give you that idea...
just directs you to the page for first time license people who have never had a license
and says 'after you pass the required tests'.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
27. Plural probably means written and eye tests.
Wed May 28, 2014, 10:19 AM
May 2014

Very few states require driving test for someone who already has a valid license and is exchanging it.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
24. "Hating the south" because of a North Carolina law...
Wed May 28, 2014, 08:34 AM
May 2014

...is not a rational response. Every southern state is different. I sympathize with the frustrations your family has encountered, but ask that you avoid hateful generalizations.

FBaggins

(26,729 posts)
29. Dad can't keep his old DL more than 30 days.
Wed May 28, 2014, 11:20 AM
May 2014

He needs to get a new one regardless of whether or not it's required for vehicle registration. He's required to get a new one within 30 days of moving to the state (pretty standard - in PA it's 60 days).

We weren't required to re-take the driving portion of the test. Perhaps that's a requirement above a certain age? FYI - PA also randomly requires older drivers to retake the driving portion of the test.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
31. Oh no I hope I don't have to parallel park at 65 or something.
Wed May 28, 2014, 03:24 PM
May 2014

I have my own way of handling situations with parallel parking. It's called park a few blocks
away and walk if you have to do so.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
34. YEAH! NC changed their laws effective May 1 2014. He got his license yesterday.
Thu May 29, 2014, 08:39 AM
May 2014

NO TESTS! Thanks everyone!

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
37. Hate I am let to this, but for future reference
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:48 PM
Jun 2014

If anyone faces a similar circumstance a tool quite often used is to register the vehicle in a trust. The trust is then the legal entity of "person" who owns it, just as if a vehicle is owned by a corporation.

You can make a valid legal trust in NC in a few minutes online and just get a notary to witness a signature. Many family members can be listed as trustees as well.

mnhtnbb

(31,384 posts)
39. I'm sorry your parents are having difficulties...but voting should not be a problem.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:32 AM
Jun 2014

Have them call the Democratic headquarters for their county when it is time to vote
and they will send someone to drive them to the polls. Many polling places also
have a drive up option where the pollworkers will bring a ballot out to the vehicle
for someone to vote.

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