Rift between Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton supporters on display at Texas Democratic Convention

[TexasTowelie]

SAN ANTONIO — Visitors to the expo at the Texas Democratic Convention practically get another shot at the voting booth: Turn right to visit Bernie Sanders’ campaign. Turn left to stop by Hillary Clinton’s operation.

And while Clinton won convincingly in Texas and is the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, diehard supporters continue to show up in droves for the Vermont senator.

“His message is important, and it can’t die with the campaign,” said Laura Varela, a 31-year-old doctoral student from San Antonio.

The dynamic highlights an early challenge for Clinton in Texas and beyond as she seeks to unify her party ahead of the showdown with Republican standard-bearer Donald Trump.

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[Gothmog]

1. The super delegate resolution is meaningless

By the terms of this resolution, the DNC has to approve it snd that is not gping to happed

The sanders people turned on snd savaged one of their oen delegates is a really nasty and sad display of petty and sad behavior. I felt sorry for the young man singled out by the Sanders campaogn for this attack

[TexasTowelie]

2. Why am I not surprised?

The young man learned a valuable lesson about trusting others so I hope that it doesn't turn him off politics forever.

I'm surprised that you are awake at this hour, but thank you for your service and safe travels to home.

[Dustlawyer]

5. So only Bernie supporters were out of line?

All Clinton supporters welcomed all Bernie supporters with open arms?

[Chasstev365]

10. Of Course they did

[Gothmog]

11. There were a number of sanders supporters booimg the clinton video

It was very sad

[Gothmog]

12. There were several ways to kill Sanders super delegate resolution

Hinojosa let the sanders super delegate resolution be voted on to try to appease the Sanders people. There were severa ways to kill this resolution includind a county delegate vote strength vote, but hinojosa let the vote pass without blocking it. I disagree with this rssolution and will vote against it and similar proposals at the national convention. I know a dozen of the other Clinton national delegates who feel the same way

[WolverineDG]

15. How can you be a Democrat

and be on the side of corporate lobbyists?

The reason the resolution passed was the Bernie supporters holding together & the Hillary supporters breaking ranks & voting for it.

[Gothmog]

19. Sanders supporters were lying and telling Clinton supporter that Clinton supported this resolution

Many of these idiots had clinton stickers on their clip boards and were caught lying about who was sponsoring this resolution.

This resolution is meaningless and was not blocked to give the Sanders supporters a meaningless victory. The resolution asks the DNC to change the rules starting in 2020. Good luck with that.

The TDP could have killed this resolution in a number of ways but wanted to give the Sanders delegates a meaningless victory.

[WolverineDG]

28. Proof?

Didn't think so.

And yeah, not so meaningless, seeing that so many Bernie delegates got elected to SD offices & committees, despite being outnumbered by Hillary delegates. Perhaps instead of "giving" us something (how condescending is that for you to say?), they saw the writing on the wall.

[Gothmog]

30. I was there and saw it as did a number of other people

[WolverineDG]

14. Nope, a Hillary delegate from SD 14

attempted to steal a Sanders' delegate's credentials (which are worn on lanyards around our necks, so he attempted to physically assault her!) and the presidential elector from that same district told another Sanders supporter who stood up for the first one that she was "stupid" & to "shut up."

Now he's all over FB whining about how the mean Bernie Supporters scared his nephew by being out of control.

[WolverineDG]

13. He was not a Sanders supporter

It was the National Campaign that refused him delegate credentials.

[Gothmog]

31. The young man was a Sanders supporter who was attacked for reslly sad reasons

How dare he work on a campaign for a candidate who supported zhillary Clinton. I zm glad that the young man is still going to Philadelphis

[WolverineDG]

32. Not according to the people in his SD who worked with him

He was a Hillary supporter who tried to sneak his way into the Bernie delegation. It was the National Campaign that said "Nope." Apparently, he wasn't the only one they denied national convention credentials to, but he was the only one to make a big fuss about it.

[WolverineDG]

16. It's not meaningless, as more & more states vote to get rid of them nt

[Gothmog]

20. The relevant and controlling document is the Delegate Selection Plan

The Delegate Selection Plan for each state has to be approved by the DNC and that document provides for super delegates. The Delegate Selection Plan can only be modified by DNC consent and that will not happen.

This was a totally meaningless resolution that by its own terms only asks the DNC to change the rules in the future. The DNC can and will ignore this request.

[Loudestlib]

26. The spelling and grammar mistakes in your post are giving me a headache.

[Gothmog]

27. Posting on an Ipad is a pain

[Laser102]

3. So? Hillary won. Will win Teaxas. What's the point of this?

[TexasTowelie]

4. Other than as a show of support for Bernie,

I don't there is much point. Gothmog was a delegate at the convention and is also a delegate for the national convention. If he says there isn't much point, then I will yield to his expertise since he is in the loop much more than I am.

[WolverineDG]

17. I was also a delegate to the State convention, for Sanders nt

[TexasTowelie]

24. I'm glad that you were able to attend the convention

and by the exchanges in this thread it certainly appears that it was a raucous event.

I'm aware of the arguments pro and con about superdelegates and the history behind there involvement. Since this is an issue for the DNC to decide it will involve discussion to make any changes. The state resolutions do have some meaning, but ultimately if the votes are not there to change the process then it is a futile exercise.

Whether the elimination of superdelegates would have had an impact upon the primaries this year is speculative, but while the Sanders supporters say that the process is unfair in this regard can also be countered with points by the Clinton supporters about the unfairness of caucuses and open primaries. The net result is that nobody is completely pleased by the process and people have to take the good with the bad until the votes are there to change the process.

[WolverineDG]

25. From my experience, the ruckus was few & far between

and it was the diehard Hillary supporters who would just not act civilly towards Bernie supporters, especially one of Hillary's super delegates who flat-out ignored the "go out there & talk 'unity'" memo. Those running around asking delegates to sign the various petitions said that many Hillary supporters willingly signed them, saying they agreed with the positions.

I was expecting a blood bath in my SD, but surprisingly, we ended up with two Bernie supporters as Committeepersons & several Berners (self included) either winning positions on committees outright or running unopposed.

The Hillary supporters complaining about how they were treated by Bernie supporters were primarily those who treated them rudely & condescendingly. (See this group) We didn't have any tussles on my committee--heated disagreements, yes, but nothing like "Oh you BS-er, sit down & shut up" kind of thing. I sat surrounded by Hillary folks & we all agreed on everything, including the fact that the superdelegates resolutions deserved at least an up or down vote, since they came from many counties.

[Dustlawyer]

7. Until the DNC reinstates a 50 state strategy or at least puts effort in Texas there is no point.

[fasttense]

6. All the people who just posted need to go to bed and get some sleep

You all are making no sense and your spelling is very RepubliCON like.

[Lucky Luciano]

8. The spelling is from iPhone style autocorrects.

I don't even bother fixing hem anymore since it is so prevalent and frustrating...and people usually understand why the spelling is messed up!

[Laser102]

9. Yes. It changed mine to Teaxas in stead of Texas. Weird.

[WolverineDG]

18. It's frightening how many Hillary supporters refused to sign petitions

to raise the minimum wage to $15, to ban frakking, to abolish superdelegates, & one other that I forget now, sorry. I started wondering if they were really Republicans in disguise.

[Gothmog]

21. These resolutions were all rejected in the platform and resolutions committee

These resolutions were meaningless victories to keep the Sanders delegates happy. These resolutions are not part of the official party platform and no one will be looking at them come election time.

There were 8 or so rule changes pending before the rules committee on super delegates and not one of these amendments were adopted. Here is the link to the motions pending before the Temporary Rules committee https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14FXavAhFsm7doQZI_kHuhWD73mAPL90zqXp7FV3SQMI/edit#gid=0 Here is the link to the final report of the rules committee https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=http://texasdemocraticconvention.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/RecommendedRuleAmendmentsbytheRulesCommittee.docx None of the proposed rules changes on super delegates were adopted.

I do not mind giving the Sanders people a meaningless victory but do not pretend that these resolutions will change things at all.

[WolverineDG]

22. It was parliamentary bullshit that kept them off the rules committee

I was there. Those were first sent to the temporary rules who kicked them to the temporary resolutions who kicked them back. In the meantime, the PREP petitions came around & got voted up on a floor vote.

So I see you are for corporate lobbyists continuing to influence the Democratic Party & advocate against economic & social justice for the 98%.

[Gothmog]

23. Again, none of the proposals are in the official platform or offical rules

I was at the convention also and talked to my senate district delegate to the rules committee and talked very briefly to the chair of the rules committee.

BTW, here is a link to the platform https://www.scribd.com/doc/316121364/Texas-Democratic-Party-2016-Platform?_ga=1.58755557.918849081.1462965353 Good luck finding these proposals being mentioned. Neither the TDP official rules or the party platform contain these resolutions and the platform will be used in the general election.

The TDP gave the Sanders supporters a meaningless victory. My SDEC representative left before the resolutions were voted on because they were meaningless. I only stayed because I had to attend the 4 PM meeting of delegates going to Philadelphia that took place after the convention was over.

Let see what is approved at the National Convention. It should be interesting.

[WolverineDG]

29. Yet.

Keep treating Sanders supporters as though we are inferior to you. 2018 is right around the corner.

[DhhD]

33. Yes-Millions of young voters are coming of age. At local high schools they tell you that they have

no future in a less than $15.00 economy that will not get them a student loan. Other 30's something adults say they can not buy a new car or a home for multiple years school loan payments and low wages-their credit is shot too. Yet the Democratic and Republican Parties are full of corporate lobbyists and Wall Street backers.

The 2018 Down Ticket will look amazingly different with Progressive Democrats to vote for.

What has happened to our possible TX VP vet? How does the New Democratic Coalition help all the many young voters coming of age who are not stepping out of high school and in to college to prepare of a future of the old fashioned American Dream? Oh yes, it has been moved to the wealthy Elite and supported by factions of a new political party affiliation. College graduates are stepping out into debt and a low wage economy. An economy brought to us by trade deals and a lobbied Congress.

The coming 2017 Texas Legislative secession, controlled by conservative, will partly be to discuss the state's two year budget without the usual tax revenue from Oil and Gas. The school funding issue has been turned over to the conservative legislators by the decision of the conservative Texas Supreme Court. Will Robinhood taxation be stopped; to bad for poor rural school districts if that happens. They will consider voting for Progressive in 2018. That seems to be the new reality in Texas; the only vote choice, is to vote for either Democrat Clinton or Republican Trump. That is if either one of them becomes the nominee that will end up on the Nov GE Texas ballot.

Have a good two years everyone. Hope oil and gas pays the state's needed revenue. A state income tax would be so bad for me and my family.

[Gothmog]

34. See you in Fort Worth