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It happens that I ran across these two articles at about the same time so I might as well combine them into one thread. Please note that I do not favor secession.Will there be a vote on TEXIT?
By Michelle Dillon, Jacksonville Daily Progress
The goal of the Texas Nationalist Movement, organized in 2005, is to once again establish Texas as an independent nation. Their mission, as stated on their website, is to secure and protect the political, cultural and economic independence of Texas.
Some may view a Texas exit, or TEXIT, from the United States as an impossibility considering Texas has been a part of the US for 175 years. Furthermore, TNM appears to have made little or no tangible progress in its mission to secure the independence of Texas. However, this may be the year for that to change.
On Tuesday, Dec. 8, State Representative Kyle Biedermann announced, via Facebook, that he is committed to filing legislation that would allow a referendum to give Texans a vote for the State of Texas to reassert its status as an independent nation.
Read more: https://www.jacksonvilleprogress.com/news/will-there-be-a-vote-on-texit/article_224072a8-3eed-11eb-bf40-e71774f23bd1.html
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We Need to Talk About Secession
By Casey Michel, Texas Monthly
Neither book focuses exclusively on Texas. Break It Up ranges more widely, from New Englands and Californias separatist flirtations during the antebellum period to the anarchist and feminist secessionisms that proliferated after the Civil War and continue to this day. Kreitner, a contributor to the liberal magazine The Nation, particularly shines when he focuses on the preCivil War era of disunionism. The Age of Breakaway Republics, he calls it, making clear that Texas served as the model for other regions in the United States that were looking, in Sam Houstons words, to lift their heads and stand among the nations.
Others, thoughincluding many Texans involved in wresting the territory from Mexicosaw Texas not as a model of independence but as the very opposite: yet another building block in the creation of the U.S. empire. Generations of American expansionists and adventurers had schemed to pry Texas from Spain by means fair or foul, Kreitner writes. Aaron Burr, a man who plotted to create his own North American polity west of the Mississippi, viewed Texas as the shimmering Western gem in his new imperial crown. In many ways, the American obsession with that jeweland the fact that Texas could provide yet another outpost for slaveryinspired many of the rebels of the Texas Revolution, who had every intention of joining the United States once they extricated themselves from Mexico.
Without American support, the Texan revolution would have failed, as the American one would have without French assistance, Kreitner writes of the enthusiastic provision of arms, munitions, and bodies to the rebels. After 1821, when Mexico won independence from Spain, hard-liners in the United Statesi.e., those dedicated to Texas annexationvowed to take the region one way or another. Eventually, those hard-liners won out: in 1845, after a decade of propping up the nascent Texas republic, the United States plucked that jewel, pocketing it in its parade to the Pacific.
Read more: https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-culture/was-the-republic-of-texas-doomed-from-the-start/
Girard442
(6,070 posts)Especially military ones. There'd be a hefty bill for anything that couldn't be carried off. Oh, yeah, another bill for TX's share of the national debt. Also, expect whacking big duties on any goods crossing the TX-US border, since those bills will need to be paid somehow. Might want to plan for the mother-of-all-brain-drains when the educated professionals realize they don't want to live in a Theofascist country. The good news is that they could be replaced by an influx of Reich-wingers armed to the teeth. You guys can even have Trump for free.
Also might want to shop around for your own military. Surely you don't think we'd leave any nukes behind. I mean, America might offer to include the new country under a security umbrella, but the price tag could be a bit steep.
Dave in VA
(2,037 posts)They would have to guard it all by themselves. Border crossings would also be set up at each end of I10, I35N, etc. Oh, and your own Coast Guard, too.
sanatanadharma
(3,701 posts)The Pledge of Allegiance says, "...one nation...indivisible..."
Secessionists are pissing on the pledge, the flag, the country and ever principle they ever claimed.
PJMcK
(22,034 posts)Wasn't there a decision sometime following the Civil War?
I'm not awake enough yet to look it up.
LeftInTX
(25,278 posts)If Texas leaves, they have to craft their own constitution...
It's not gonna happen...It's just another way to undermine a legitimate government, like the Tea Party...
This way they can write more glorious things about the Texas Republic and the Confederacy in school textbooks, Washington DC look like a villain, legitimize bigotry, infuse their ideas on the rest of the country, but they will not leave.
PJMcK
(22,034 posts)Texas cannot survive financially as an independent nation/state. If there is a Texit, Texas will collapse as businesses leave, the U.S. government leaves and the sane people in Texas' cities leave.
In the end, Texit will not happen and these so-called revolutionaries will discover that they don't have any wide-spread support.
Objectively, it could be an interesting experiment to watch, though.
sinkingfeeling
(51,448 posts)federal contracts?
Chainfire
(17,532 posts)from which it was stolen. A goodwill gesture from President Biden.
TexasTowelie
(112,141 posts)Winning two wars against Mexico does not equate to stealing.
Paladin
(28,254 posts)I rest my case.
Javaman
(62,521 posts)their whine is made from sour grapes.