“The Second Amendment was not granted by the Constitution, it was granted by our creator,”

[LeftInTX]

AUSTIN — State officials resisted recent federal moves on guns Saturday as at least 1,000 activists rallied behind them at the Capitol.

The rally, crowded with gun owners and tea party and constitutional rights activists, was organized by the group Guns Across America. Led by Texas airline pilot Eric Reed, the group coordinated similar rallies in state capitals nationwide.

Speakers, including Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson and freshman state Rep. Steve Toth, R-The Woodlands, decried President Barack Obama's proposal to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines and said it violates the Second Amendment.

“The Second Amendment was not granted by the Constitution, it was granted by our creator,” Patterson said. “Therefore, the government can't take away our right.”



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About all I can say is WTH??? How can a Christian even say this??? Guns weren't even around during biblical times.

Help, get me out of here!!!!! This place is chock full of nuts!!!

[Eleanors38]

1. Actually, the Founders did not create the BOR's protections,

but recognized them as pre-existing. The "creator" notion was a graceful side-step to neutralize ardent religionists who sought to enshrine their theology within the BOR (one being John Adams).

Note: The "press," private property (alluded to in the Fourth), and the whole notion of Due Process hadn't been around very long, either.

[TexasTowelie]

2. I know how you feel--maybe I should go with you.

I read the silliness going on at the Capitol today and thanked my lucky stars that I did not go to Austin today.

The latest excuse that I heard from the nut jobs is that they need the huge clips because of feral hog invasions! Apparently they run around in packs of fifty or more and terrorize the citizens more than a Muslim declaring Sharia law.

The feral hog invasion seems a little different from my youth when I nearly ran into one on the back roads of south Texas. I admit that I was coming around that curve a little fast, but I don't recall seeing but the one hog that I barely missed hitting.

By the way, the Bible was changed by nuts retroactively.

[leftofcool]

3. And jesus saith

go forth and shoot people.

[Chakab]

4. Indeed.

[Fuddnik]

5. Old Yahweh was well known for packing heat.

He's got quite a few massacres to his credit too.

[LeftishBrit]

6. This is scary

Show me the passage in the Bible that recommends the use of guns!

[MirrorAshes]

7. Comical

So its not even about the Constitution anymore. God wants you to have guns. These people are truly off the deep end now.

Please proceed, lunatics. You're revealing your true selves more and more every day.

[Kablooie]

8. Didn't you know the Constitution is the true word of God?

God ordained the Founding Fathers to write it just like the bible.

[Fearless]

9. The Bill of Rights was passed by the first Congress and each was ratified by the states. Period.

It's so astounding how "god" ALWAYS agrees exactly with whatever these fundies believe. They never differ. If you hear voices like that, seek professional help.

[bowens43]

10. The stupid is completely out of control in the gun fetish community!!

the gun nuts just get dumber and dumber.

The government needs to take away this ass hats guns just to help understand what a moron he is.

[Vogon_Glory]

11. Pointed Sticks?

There weren't even any known firearms until the 700;s (AD). "When stone hand axes and pointed sticks are outlawed, only outlaws will have stone hand axes and pointed sticks."

[DhhD]

12. 2nd Amendment was created so Slave Holders could form a Militia to go on Slave Patrol looking for

weapons, the Bible, books or anything else that they wanted kept away from their, Property; their property being other human begins ( including all ethnic peoples in or brought to America). Slave Patrol Militias began about 1740s America.

After the Revolutionary War, the Slavery Patrol Militias were made legal by the 2nd Amendment. Legal Slave Patrol Militia was the original propose of the 2nd Amendment.

The Civil War was fought to end Slavery. Each seceded State underwent its own Reconstruction making Slavery Patrol Militias, illegal.

Between about 1871 and the 1930s, Southern States re-instituted Slavery called Peonage. FDR stopped it in the 1930s.

[LeftInTX]

14. Southern clergy were pitted against northern clergy on slavery

Southern clergy justified it because it was in the bible. So, yeah, I guess these statements about guns by a southern politician in 2013 are rooted in something that goes back to something that is archaic. Something that doesn't make sense to me and is rooted in a different culture.

However, I'm always shocked at this stuff that is just under the surface. Who knows what else they are thinking.

[legaleagle_45]

17. 2nd Amend was not created so slaveholders could form militias

This is a myth began by Carl T Bogus and has little support in historical fact. Slave patrols existed prior to the Revolutionary War and were not made "legal" by the 2nd. They had always been legal and their history can be traced to the mid 800's CE when Alfred the Great created them to fend of Viking raiders. Militias were seen as an alternative to a standing army and were employed for several purposes. Slave patrols were not the militia but usually involved 3 to 6 people drawn from the community. Sometimes membership was determined from militia roles and sometimes from tax roles, but it was not the militia any more than a jury is all the registered voters because they are called for jury duty because they are on a list of registered voters.

Fact is, all the states, including the northern states had militias both before and after the revolution and retain them to this day. To assert that they are solely for the preservation purposes of slavery is absurd.

[DhhD]

18. My reply was about Militias before and after the Constitution was written and ratified in a

Declaration of Independent (not Independence) America.

In my opinion, the 2nd amendment was a Loop-hole around Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Property, as Federal Documents had to be changed to the Pursuit of Happiness to hide slaveholders and their activities, as all men were not created equal.

The 2nd Amendment was changed from Country to State's Rights to give each State the right to continue its Slave Patrol Militias, which was nugatory to the Spirit of the Constitution being a federal document.

They returned after the Civil War because of the 2nd Amendment's power.

The 2nd and other Amendments and laws were added so that even FREE Black People could be rounded up by the Slave Militias in the North, taken South and made slaves. Peonage went on until FDR stopped it in the 1930s.

There are many more dark facts of history. Howard Zinn wrote a good book on the REAL history of the America. There are other great writers too.

[mbperrin]

13. So if Jerry Patterson thinks that the Second Amendment is not where the right to bear arms comes

from, he and his nutty little friends won't mind if we eliminate that amendment, right? Because their crazy old white man in a white dress with long white whiskers, I mean, God, provides them that right.

Well, all righty, then, let's get to it!

[DhhD]

19. Patterson is hiding the history of the 2nd Amendment and why it was written.

[AAO]

15. Mixing up the DOI with the USC - they're too dumb to own a gun

DOI:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the possession of the advanced military firepower of the early 21st century.

[ElboRuum]

16. Really?

So while Adam and Eve were forbidden from eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, they were perfectly within bounds to be armed, you know, just in case? I swear I did not ever consider that.

[legaleagle_45]

20. The Second Amendment was not granted by the Constitution, but it was not granted by our creator

The 2nd Amendment was not "granted by our creator" but is what Blackstone calls an "auxiliary right" which serves to enhance, preserve and protect underlying fundamental rights. In this case Blackstone described the right to arms as protecting the unalienable right of "resistance and self preservation". Many of the rights protected in our Bill of Rights are of this nature... auxiliary to underlying fundamental unalienable rights. For example, the 1st amend as a whole protects an underlying fundamental right of freedom of conscience. The right to arms predates the Constitution and the lineal ancestor of the 2nd Amend was first given written form in the English Bill of Rights of 1689. Many other rights found in the Bill of Rights have their source in English common law, the Magna Carta, The English Bill of Rights and other English traditions and customs and can rightly be described as being "protected by" the Constitution rather than "created by" the Constitution. Very few of them are properly termed either "god given" or inalienable natural rights" but almost all of them are related to such rights.

[DhhD]

21. In my opinion, your assumption misses the the difference between federal and state rights.

The federal government has the US Constitution.

The state government has the 2nd Amendment; its own Constitution that acts on its on within any State it chooses.

There is no such law in England and never was. Was slavery allowed in England? No.

In my opinion, the 2nd Amendment is entirely a new form of government, an independent government. Each State has its own ARMY. The U S of America has its own army. The 2nd Amendment allows the State Army to go to other States. Free Black Americans were taken against their will by MILITIAS, to other States and marched to the South were they were forced into Slavery. This is an undeniable fact.

Several people have been saying that 1776 is going to happen again. One said something about being dead in a shootout if our president was reelected. Of course federal regulation recently called, executive actions, is a better solution. Thank you President Obama for taking steps to regulate the state militias.

[legaleagle_45]

22. Not confusing anything

There is no such law in England and never was.

The English Bill of Rights was executed by William and Mary in 1689 in the aftermath of the Glorious Revolution. That document established protections for what the document states "ancient rights and liberties" of Englishmen. Among the ancient rights and liberties protected by this document and which can also be found in some form in our Constitution are as follows:

....
That it is the right of the subjects to petition the king, and all commitments and prosecutions for such petitioning are illegal;

That the raising or keeping a standing army within the kingdom in time of peace, unless it be with consent of Parliament, is against law;

That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;

....

That the freedom of speech and debates or proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament;

That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted;

That jurors ought to be duly impanelled and returned, and jurors which pass upon men in trials for high treason ought to be freeholders;

A militia is not a professional army. States are specifically prohibited by the Constitution from having them. Militias, on the other hand are primarily state entities which can be called into federal service for certain purposes. Militias are composed of ordinary people who train part time while retaining their regular occupation and residence. Your assertion that free black persons were taken against their will by militias and marched from one state to another and forced into slavery was certainly not a normal circumstance if it happened at all.

The 2nd Amendment allows the State Army to go to other States.

The state militias can only go to other states when called into federal service under the militia clauses of the US Constitution. Article I, Sec 8, Cls. 15-16.

Was slavery allowed in England? No

Slavery was not outlawed in England until the Slavery Abolition Act 1833. However, after the Norman conquest in 1066 slavery as we know it was relatively rare in the British Isles proper, but certainly not in other parts of the Empire where the Brits were quite active in the institution of slavery. Instead the brits had serfs. The primary distinction between slaves and serfs was that slaves belonged to a person (chattels personal) and could be bought and sold. Serfs were bound to a specific piece of land and owed service to whomever owned the land (chattels real). They could not be removed from the land and be sold independently of the land, but when land was sold, serfs were part of the package being purchased.

[DhhD]

23. I see that you agree with me.

[DhhD]

24. Let us keep in mind that the Georgia Colony was a Penal colony of England. There was no army.

Georgia was the first militia, a government of its own.