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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 08:51 AM Jan 2012

Federal prosecutors will not charge former Seattle police Officer Ian Birk in the shooting death of

--First Nations woodcarver John T. Williams.

Disgusting.

http://today.seattletimes.com/2012/01/former-spd-officer-ian-birk-will-not-face-charges-in-shooting-of-woodcarver/

Sources have confirmed that a grand jury reviewing the Aug. 30, 2010, shooting determined it could not charge the officer in the death.

The Department of Justice last April announced it would review the shooting after King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg said that state law precluded him from charging former Seattle Police Officer Ian Birk with a crime.

The federal investigation examined whether former Officer Ian Birk violated the civil rights of Williams when he shot and killed him on a downtown city sidewalk. Williams, who was a well-known public inebriate and was hard of hearing, did not respond to Birk’s repeated demands that he drop a pocket knife he was carrying. A department review of the shooting found that Birk acted outside the department’s “policy, tactics and training” when he shot Williams four times just seconds after exiting his police vehicle.

The federal investigation was separate from a probe into the Seattle Police Department by the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division, which concluded last month that the SPD has a “pattern and practice” of using illegal, excessive force. Most of the victims of that abuse, the DOJ said, were people of color, the mentally ill and those under the influence of drugs or alcohol. The DOJ concluded that there was not sufficient data to determine whether the department engages in biased policing, but said the incomplete evidence was troubling.

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Federal prosecutors will not charge former Seattle police Officer Ian Birk in the shooting death of (Original Post) eridani Jan 2012 OP
A continuation of the injustice of this suffragette Jan 2012 #1
Thanks for posting the journal link eridani Jan 2012 #2
Agree that is logical and also that it is disgusting that he won't be put on trial suffragette Jan 2012 #3
Years ago more than 30 actually Wash. state Desk Jet Jan 2012 #4

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
1. A continuation of the injustice of this
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 02:04 PM
Jan 2012

with a strong measure of CYA both for Birk and the SPD.

From the updated article:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017233847_birk14m.html

One irony that came out of the meeting, Ford said, was that prosecutors were concerned that Birk would use the department's training as a defense. The DOJ, after an 11-month investigation, concluded last month that Seattle officers engaged in an unconstitutional "pattern and practice" of using excessive force and cited the department's training as inadequate.

"Basically, he would have been able to claim that he was trained to fear for his life when no real threat existed," Ford said.


I would post links to previous OPs I've written on this but in trying to access them I received a page that said "an error occurred during processing."

It looks like some can still be accessed through this link.
Here's one:http://journals.democraticunderground.com/suffragette/2

eridani

(51,907 posts)
2. Thanks for posting the journal link
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:52 AM
Jan 2012

There were several threads that are still revelvant. The argument that Birk would claim inadequate training is, unfortunately, logical

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
3. Agree that is logical and also that it is disgusting that he won't be put on trial
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 11:39 AM
Jan 2012

Both he and SPD training should be called to account.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
4. Years ago more than 30 actually
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:20 AM
Jan 2012

I went through a terrorist recognition training course in the navy. The idea was to teach you how to pick out a terrorist out of a crowd in a public setting such as a public market or crowded street so on,and how to deal with the terrorist.

That was just prior to the oil imbargo in the 70's ,so ,that was a very long time ago.
It was a military training course,- landing party activity,get in there find the trouble spot resolve the issue.

The catch 22 was if you make a mistake,you are responsible for your actions. So you were left thinking,don't make a mistake or provide yourself with a legal cover if you do.
It was the later part of 1973 and the vietnam war had just come to a offical end in Febuary of the same year.

The training course much of which seem somewhat nonsensical was a requirement in preperation for mid east deployment.

As you may or may not know, over there in Europe police agencies in localities are and have been making leaps and bounds breaking apart terrorist cells and activities. It is not their equivalent of our f-b-i or secret service that are making the leaps and bounds ,but it is simple police work-eyes ears and collecting data.And of course public support.

The training over there for police agencies is excellent and I am sure we could use some of that excellence over here.

There are indeed many factors to consider in police training these days, I mean thugs running around with aka's and high power wepons and so fourth ,crack addicts what have you.
Police field activity has changed a lot since the 70's or 80's here in Seattle. Gang activity with gang leaders out of L.A. California setting up shop here, a lot has changed.

But, when I saw that video and the way Birk went into it on the scene, I just had to recall that training course that was put togather to prepare for a potential hostel outbreak in the middle east. Indeed the 911 case scenario was part of that training. And the training was indeed flawed.Although you were being trained for something that hadn't yet occured .In the event of sort of thing,Bush called them soldiers without uniforms.


With our port authority, import all that ,eveything that comes into Seattle and is distrubited from here,all those mail order business all over the country.The mail.The goods.


Somehow I am not at all surprised the feds did not want to go too far into inadequate training procedures having to do with the Seattle police department.Yes we have quite the set up here for getting those goods shipped to locations all over America and North America- raving reviews actually.

Birk claimed he fallowed training procedure to the letter.
The question is, just what was he trained for or they ?
Because that procedure is just what was or is expected of trained military personal in a war zone upon indentifying a terrorist within a civilian crowd or crowded public area.

That objective is to take out the terrorist without hesitation without harming a single civilian in any way.The catch 22, if you were to harm a civilian ,you were subject to prosecution and if you made a mistake about the terrorist and it wasn't a terrorist, than that's murder,-at the same time if you hesitated because you were not certain or could not be,or would not be and it was a terrorist and the terrorist proceded with terrorist abjectives and you could have prevented it, that was dereliction of duty.Catch 22'sss.

Well ,Birk had a radio on his person, but apparently he choose not to check it out, or seek assistance from other officers in downtown Seattle where there are always plenty of cops .But in his two years he thought he could handle it himself.

If you saw the video ,than you saw the cowboy. The best training there is for a cop or a soldier is field training and I don't think that rouge cop did very well under instruction -he liked to do things his way-as per training procedure.


Birk was on patrol by himself most likely liked it that way-he handled it himself- he had it all down,he was sure of that. He did not and does not think he did anything wrong. He may have been of good academe student.But I'll bet he flunked out in field studies which means he was a very poor student.

Those training procedures ,that's the issue.
Remember the poisoning of the water threat here in Seattle when Bush ran for a second term ? You know the terrorist threat ,the fear tactic ?

Just a thought .












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