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catbyte

(34,373 posts)
1. That prop in 2020 here in Michigan was EVERYTHING. The MIGQP threw up all kinds of roadblocks
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 03:54 PM
Nov 2022

but we persevered and got it done. We would still be a gerrymandered mess if not for that prop being passed. We citizens have to save ourselves in states that the GQP legislature has a stranglehold on. We were a mess until 2018 when we got fed up and elected Democrats to statewide offices. The pot prop helped us in 2018, too, tbh. We were frustrated in 2020 because even though Governor Whitmer wanted to fix the roads and improve education, the GQP legislature killed every initiative. So we collected signatures and put the anti-gerrymandering and expanded voting rights props on the ballot. Those were the game-changers.

We're proof that it can be done if enough citizens get fed up.

Tetrachloride

(7,834 posts)
3. Wisconsin needs incessant heavyweight power to overcome the red legislature.
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 10:17 AM
Nov 2022

A few drive-by campaigners won’t do it.

A lot of churches are essentially offices of the right wing.

Wisconsin Dems have low visibility. Especially a senator.

StClone

(11,683 posts)
4. This really is disturbing...we can not rid ourselves of the shackles!
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 01:18 PM
Nov 2022

There must be a way! The Rs will never give up what they crave...power, money, and the ability to cause pain.

Tetrachloride

(7,834 posts)
5. There is a way. Its being cool and forthright.
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 01:33 PM
Nov 2022

Political positions is not enough.

Being a winner is the way. Momentum begets momentum.

Wisconsin needs Gretchen Whitmer, John Fetterman,
Beto O’Rourke, Stacey Abrams , Gavin Newsom to bring their broadsides. Up close and personal.

StClone

(11,683 posts)
6. It's like a football game where the goal posts are movable.
Thu Nov 10, 2022, 01:44 PM
Nov 2022

The rules make it impossible for us to win so I think what you are saying for WI may not work as it did in MN and MI.

Gerrymandering must be outlawed nationally and public financing for campaigns must be public.

elocs

(22,566 posts)
7. Wisconsin has paid a high price when too many on the Left didn't vote in 2010.
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 07:38 PM
Nov 2022

Yeah, there's nothing like self-suppressing your vote--what could go wrong with that? After all, in 2010 the state was controlled by Democrats. But Republicans showed up to vote like it was their duty and in 1 election the entire state flipped to total Republican control is a census year so they got to gerrymander the state when they took power in 2011, guaranteeing they would stay in power in the legislature as they do to this day.

StClone

(11,683 posts)
8. Something else too is at play as Johnson won
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 11:37 AM
Nov 2022

I agree with what you stated: 2010 R turnout was driven by hate radio and FOX. When one of the best and brightest Dem., Russ Feingold (for whom my daughter worked at the time in DC), lost. It was likely complacency to vote that cycle.

Johnson nearly lost; yet, he won when he is in fact the dumbest, least-effective, unlikable slug (State Rep. Van Orden may be close as time may tell), corrupt, and a self-servicing Russian asset.

If a case could be made that we are unfairly represented on a Constitutional level (either State or U.S.) with a fair Wisconsin Judiciary, like Mich. we may stand a chance. So voting this Feb Judgeship may offer some hope in WI.

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