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I'm a bit surprised that Gibraltar voted so overwhelmingly for "Remain". (Original Post) Ken Burch Jun 2016 OP
Gibraltar has always been a rock. DemFromPittsburgh Jun 2016 #1
A Rock that depends strongly in commerce with Spain Xipe Totec Jun 2016 #4
spain would like to get gibraltar back. might have summat to do with it nt msongs Jun 2016 #2
I'm aware of that...I guess I was thinking Gibraltarians might have seen voting "Leave" Ken Burch Jun 2016 #3
the EU kept Spain in line.... Ironing Man Jun 2016 #5
That explains a lot that I didn't know. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #7
Its Spain's Falklands... Ironing Man Jun 2016 #8
As any Polisario guerrilla will tell you... Ken Burch Jun 2016 #9
They were much more likely to be secure from Spanish intrusion through EU rules, than anything the LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #6
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
3. I'm aware of that...I guess I was thinking Gibraltarians might have seen voting "Leave"
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 07:44 PM
Jun 2016

as a way to ward that off.

(for the record, I'd have voted Remain...mainly because of the ugliness of spirit of a lot of those on the Leave side).

Ironing Man

(164 posts)
5. the EU kept Spain in line....
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jun 2016

because Gib is, in effect, a city state it relies on a Spanish hinterland to grow the food it buys. when Spain plays silly buggers on the border it does so knowing that food will, literally, rot in the lorries sat for 9 hours at the border crossing.

it has a similar effect on workers - lots of Gibs work in southern Spain, having those people spend 18 hours a day at a border crossing means they can't work.

the EU, to a very large extent, kept the Spanish from buggering around on an internal EU border. if however that border is an External border the Spanish can do what they like. the Gibs know that, so they voted to remain to keep the border open, and to have a higher, very powerful court/authority to appeal to when the Spanish start arsing around.

there is a possible solution - in 1985 Greenland, a constituant member of the Kingdom of Denmark, left the EU after a referendum, but it stayed as a member of the Kingdom of Denmark, and the rest of the Kingdom of Denmark remained in the EU...

the problem however is that Spain would have to agree. which poses an, err... obsticle.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
7. That explains a lot that I didn't know.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jun 2016

At this point, why does Spain even still CARE about getting Gibraltar back?
Is there any real material value attached to the place anymore, or is it just about taking the Rock for the sake of taking the Rock?

Ironing Man

(164 posts)
8. Its Spain's Falklands...
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:15 AM
Jun 2016

It's bent pride and distraction politics.

It also ignores Spain's city state colonies on the North African coast - which are, of course, completely different...

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
6. They were much more likely to be secure from Spanish intrusion through EU rules, than anything the
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jun 2016

UK can do on its own.

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