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Denzil_DC

(7,222 posts)
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 06:29 AM Sep 2016

How Theresa torpedoed Cameron and Boris Johnson said Leave would LOSE

Explosive new book by No10 spin chief reveals the inside story of Brexit

* No10 became so fed up with Theresa May disappearing during the Brexit campaign they nicknamed her 'Submarine May'
* Boris Johnson reassured Cameron in secret text Brexit would be 'crushed' – nine minutes before putting himself at the head of the Leave campaign
* Michael Gove went back on a pledge made to Cameron at a family gathering at Chequers at Christmas to stay loyal to him in the referendum
* Cameron considered clinging to power after losing the vote, but decided against it as it would leave him 'being prepared for the slaughterhouse'
* Revelations made by Craig Oliver, who was PM's head of communications


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3805977/How-Theresa-torpedoed-Cameron-Boris-Johnson-said-Leave-LOSE-Explosive-new-book-No10-reveals-inside-story-Brexit.html


It the Mail, but just this once it's worth giving them a click for a long (I mean it!) read about the dysfunction, petty factionalism, self-serving agendas and lasting resentments within the party that is currently much more relevant to the future of the country than any shenanigans within Labour.
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How Theresa torpedoed Cameron and Boris Johnson said Leave would LOSE (Original Post) Denzil_DC Sep 2016 OP
Interesting stuff LeftishBrit Sep 2016 #1
Time for the Miracle Question, LeftishBrit. non sociopath skin Sep 2016 #2
Labour, obviously, if only they'd BE available LeftishBrit Sep 2016 #3

LeftishBrit

(41,203 posts)
1. Interesting stuff
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 01:49 PM
Sep 2016

We have been dragged to the edge of a cliff, and may yet be dragged over it, by what is really an internal dispute in the Tory party.

(1) Why in the HELL was no threshold set for the referendum? In other countries, a constitutional amendment (which this basically is) cannot be passed on the basis of simple majority vote, certainly without also having a majority of constituent states. In America, they need both houses of congress, and 75% of state legislatures. In Canada, both houses of the legislature, and 7 of 10 provinces, in addition to majority vote. Even in Switzerland, there must be a majority of cantons as well as voters. In this case, only 2 out of 4 constituent countries voted for this; and there has so far been no parliamentary vote.

(2) I never HATED Cameron as much as some people do; but I've always looked down on him as a weak ineffective lazy ditherer, who let others do his work for him, and was unfit for such high levels of responsibility. His background gave him a social veneer of strength and stability and decisiveness, but Ed Miliband would have been much more genuinely competent at decision-making (even though not very!), even if Cameron was better at eating bacon sandwiches.

(3) Just as Cameron has got a reputation for strength and decisiveness, when he was one of our weakest and most dithering Prime Ministers ever, May has a reputation for plain-speaking, when she has got where she is by saying nothing (except 'Brexit means Brexit', yes, and jabberwocky means jabberwocky) and letting those around her ruin their own political careers by opening their mouths. Fine up to a point, but eventually we may open that tightly locked box and find - nothing.

(4) Boris is very lucky that nobody ever imagined the possibility of someone conning his fellow citizens into voting to impose economic sanctions on their own country, just so as to advance his political career; and therefore it is not explicitly covered by the criminal law.

(5) Labour seems to be also embroiled in its own political infighting, to the point of fiddling while Rome is burning.

(6) What an almighty mess!

non sociopath skin

(4,972 posts)
2. Time for the Miracle Question, LeftishBrit.
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 07:22 AM
Sep 2016

Of the current available and viable options, who would you prefer to see leading the country?

The Skin

LeftishBrit

(41,203 posts)
3. Labour, obviously, if only they'd BE available
Tue Sep 27, 2016, 08:07 AM
Sep 2016

You'd think that Labour should be in with the greatest landslide ever, the way the Tories have messed up; but they seem determined to mess things up for themselves.

Actually, I'd take a block of wood as government, over the present Tory lot (or any government that included Boris Johnson and Liam Fox)! But the way politics is in this country, no doubt the block of wood would soon start infighting and form splinters!

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