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T_i_B

(14,737 posts)
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 05:50 AM Jul 2017

Did you forget I'm a hard Brexit madman? asks Corbyn

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/did-you-forget-im-a-hard-brexit-madman-asks-corbyn-20170630130785

JEREMY Corbyn has reminded the nation that he too is a hard Brexit fanatic, despite seeming nice and having a beard.

The Labour leader has sacked three frontbenchers you have never heard of for daring to vote for an amendment suggesting Brexit should perhaps not result in economic ruin.

Corbyn said: “Yeah yeah, that White Stripes chant that misses out the second note and all that, but don’t start thinking I’m not in a frenzy like she is.

“She wants hard Brexit so she can create a fascist dictatorship, I want it so I can build a monolithic socialist system. But we both agree you’re getting it damned hard.”
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Did you forget I'm a hard Brexit madman? asks Corbyn (Original Post) T_i_B Jul 2017 OP
This is a highly sexualized statement Not Ruth Jul 2017 #1
They were sacked for breaking ranks. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #2
Colluding with the party in power is exactly what Corbyn was doing T_i_B Jul 2017 #3
Far Left & Far Right fight over which is more authoritarian & power mad delisen Jul 2017 #4
Here's the story that T_i_B explained muriel_volestrangler Jul 2017 #5

Voltaire2

(12,996 posts)
2. They were sacked for breaking ranks.
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 07:20 AM
Jul 2017

Corbyn has been battling for control of his party and after vastly exceeding expectations now wants the respect normally given the head of the party.

Like healthcare here, the opposition party cannot collude with the party in power over their awful stupid course of action. Ownership of the disaster has to be unambiguous.

T_i_B

(14,737 posts)
3. Colluding with the party in power is exactly what Corbyn was doing
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 07:55 AM
Jul 2017

The ones sacked were the ones voting against the government instead of allowing bad legislation to be waved through.

If Corbyn and his supporters want more "respect" then they have to start doing the right thing.

It's worth remembering that the expectations that he has supposedly exceeded were catastrophic, and the main culprit for this not happening was not Corbyn or Momentum but Theresa May with her disastrous general election campaign.

Leaving the EU is a disaster, but Corbyn's failure to oppose it means that he will also share responsibility for the disaster.

delisen

(6,042 posts)
4. Far Left & Far Right fight over which is more authoritarian & power mad
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 09:32 AM
Jul 2017

Once long another was a moment in Canadian politics when people suggested that too much ambition to wield power was a negative.

I recall Pierre Trudeau who was running at that time giving a speech in which he asked the question, "How much do I want to be Prime Minister? and answering it thusly:"Not very much." (Not sure I believed him but the thought lingered with me that in democracies that candidate who is primarily about advancing himself may be the worst choice for leader.

Perhaps we need to strive to find political candidates who are low on the personal ambition/self promotion/make my mark scales and high on the peace/justice/good government scales.

It is not what the president as an individual accomplishes in four or eight years but what we, as a people, are able to accomplish by the wise governance a president is able and willing to provide that is important.

No more would-be kings and would-be emperors.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,295 posts)
5. Here's the story that T_i_B explained
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 12:08 PM
Jul 2017

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Jeremy Corbyn has sacked three Labour frontbenchers who voted against the party in favour of a Queen’s speech amendment calling for Britain to remain within the customs union and single market.

Queen's speech passes as 50 Labour MPs defy Corbyn and back staying in single market - Politics live
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The Labour leader, who has been emboldened by the general election result, decided to take a tougher approach than after the vote to trigger article 50, when shadow ministers who rebelled were allowed to remain in position.

Shadow housing ministers Andy Slaughter and Ruth Cadbury and shadow Foreign Office minister Catherine West joined dozens of Labour backbenchers, the SNP, Liberal Democrats, Greens and Plaid Cymru in backing the amendment.
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Corbyn ordered his MPs to abstain on the wording because, although Labour policy chimes with most of the sentiment, the party does not support the bid to keep full membership of the single market.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/29/jeremy-corbyn-sacks-three-frontbenchers-after-single-market-vote
So they voted to amend the Tory policy; Corbyn wanted all his party to abstain.

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