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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:19 AM Nov 2019

Boris Johnson's Conservative party has received cash from 9 Russian donors named in a suppressed...

...intelligence report

Boris Johnson's Conservative Party has received a surge in cash from nine Russian donors, who have been named in a suppressed investigation into Russia's attempts to undermine democracy in the UK.
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Fears have previously been raised that Johnson's private life may make him a "security risk" due to the possibility he could be blackmailed.

"There's the danger that people leak what they have over him or blackmail him with it," a Cabinet minister in Theresa May's government told the Sunday Times earlier this year.


[link:https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-blocked-report-naming-tory-donors-linked-to-kremlin-2019-11?r=US&IR=T|]

Up for Sale Johnson..
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Boris Johnson's Conservative party has received cash from 9 Russian donors named in a suppressed... (Original Post) Soph0571 Nov 2019 OP
Like trump, for sale is big, but there may be more. empedocles Nov 2019 #1
If only Corbyn wasn't a raging antisemite. nycbos Nov 2019 #2
It's so easy to make heinous allegations like that from the comfort of anonymity. Denzil_DC Nov 2019 #4
Voters are more concerned with Corbyn's nothing stand on Brexit crazytown Nov 2019 #5
I think you're right. Count me in on that. n/t Denzil_DC Nov 2019 #7
Are you kidding nycbos Nov 2019 #6
You jumped into a thread in the UK Group about very serious allegations about the Tory Party Denzil_DC Nov 2019 #8
Antisemitism unites the far right and the far left. nycbos Nov 2019 #12
You quoted an article from a journalist with vested interests Denzil_DC Nov 2019 #13
The article says "Corbyn may not have an antisemitic bone in his body," nycbos Nov 2019 #14
Yes, I'd read the article before I quoted from it. Denzil_DC Nov 2019 #15
If something was one or two lapses in judgement I might agree with you. nycbos Nov 2019 #16
So don't vote for him. Denzil_DC Nov 2019 #17
Oh, and since you've gone quiet for now (may have better things to do, I don't know), Denzil_DC Nov 2019 #11
Doggone! This sounds somewhat familiar. keithbvadu2 Nov 2019 #3
Putin is buying his way into other countries' politics BigmanPigman Nov 2019 #9
Since this thread looks like it may attract DUers who don't visit the UK Group regularly, Denzil_DC Nov 2019 #10

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
1. Like trump, for sale is big, but there may be more.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:50 AM
Nov 2019

Reminds me, back in the day, of Brit 'aristocracy' and hitler

Denzil_DC

(7,222 posts)
4. It's so easy to make heinous allegations like that from the comfort of anonymity.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:17 AM
Nov 2019

Where's your evidence?

Bear in mind I'm not a Corbyn fan, by the way, but I do actually live in the UK and have been active in politics here for many years.

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
5. Voters are more concerned with Corbyn's nothing stand on Brexit
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:28 AM
Nov 2019

and stuff like abolishing private education.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
6. Are you kidding
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:29 AM
Nov 2019

He invited to Parliament a Palestinian Islamist, Raed Salah, who has suggested Jews were absent from the World Trade Center on 9/11. Corbyn called him an “honored citizen.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/opinion/an-anti-semitism-of-the-left.html?_r=0

He " once described it as his “honour and pleasure” to host “our friends” from Hamas and Hezbollah in parliament"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-foreign-policy-antisemitism

Yet negotiation is not on Hamas’s agenda, as Corbyn ought to know. In its charter Hamas states: “Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement… There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through jihad.”

It isn’t a peaceful negotiated solution that Hamas wants; it’s the destruction of the Jews. Here is a direct quote from Hamas’s charter: “The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: ‘The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!’”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-foreign-policy-antisemitism

Written a letter defending Stephen Sizer, the vicar disciplined by the Church of England for linking to an article on social media entitled 9/11: Israel Did It;

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-foreign-policy-antisemitism

Denzil_DC

(7,222 posts)
8. You jumped into a thread in the UK Group about very serious allegations about the Tory Party
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:50 AM
Nov 2019

with a sidetrack verging on a non sequitur, so no, I'm not kidding, and I resent the patronizing tone. Anybody who treats the neocon James Bloodworth as a credible source may be kidding, I don't know.

If you can point me to a way out of the endless impasse in Israel/Palestine relations that isn't ultimately going to involve talking rather than continuing land grabs, and bloodshed on either side, then I'm all ears. Heck, here in the UK, the idea of discussions with the IRA was once unthinkable, but a notable figure associated with it ended up in government.

If you want horrible rhetoric in that context, I'll point you towards Netanyahu, who hasn't just been talking about oppressing and killing others, he's actually been doing it.

Do you have any harsh words, perchance, about the Conservative Government, which has been happy to gladhand and support Viktor Orbán, who could much more legitimately be called a "raging antisemite".

I see from your journal that you're quite fond of our ex-Speaker of the House John Bercow, who's been around Corbyn at pretty close quarters for many years.

John Bercow: ‘I do not believe Jeremy Corbyn is anti-Semitic’

...
AC: One final thing. You are Jewish. What has your sense been of the Labour Party anti-Semitism debate?

JB: I think that racism is a challenge across society. After decades in which huge advances were made, I think there is a real danger of regression now. Now, I know you didn't ask more widely about racism, but that is my answer on racism. I don't want to intrude on the grief of a particular political party. All I would say is that, yes, it is an issue and it needs to be addressed, but I myself have never experienced anti-Semitism from a member of the Labour Party. Point two, though there is a big issue and it has to be addressed, I do not myself believe that Jeremy Corbyn is anti-Semitic. That is my honest view. You haven't asked me explicitly, but you've nevertheless drawn me and I want to make that point. I am not saying that he doesn't have a challenge in his party. It is an issue and it does need to be addressed and I respect those who are very concerned about it, but I don't believe Jeremy Corbyn is anti-Semitic. I've known him for the 22 years I've been in parliament. Even, actually, when I was a right-winger we got on pretty well. He was quite a personable individual.

AC: Well, you probably voted with him more often than he did with the Labour government!

JB: Well, he was certainly a persistent and prolific rebel. He's been very supportive of me and I've never detected so much as a whiff of anti-Semitism.

AC: Have you ever experienced anti-Semitism outside of parliament?

JB: Yes. Yes, I have. I remember somebody once saying, I'm not going to say who, somebody once said to me, "If I had my way, people like you – Ber-coff – wouldn't be in this place." I said, “When you say people like me, do you mean people like me in the sense that I'm lower class or Jewish?” To which he replied, "Both." I think people should be very careful about casting aspersions on other political parties. There are challenges of racism across society and that does affect political parties. Each party has to deal with it. Look, I said what I did about Jeremy Corbyn. I have never experienced racism from Boris Johnson or Theresa May or David Cameron and I am making no charge against any of them. Of those three, the one with whom I had the most difficult relations was David Cameron. I am no great fan of David Cameron and I think in addition to his many talents he has many flaws and he made many mistakes, but I certainly don't suggest for one moment that there was a racist bone in his body.

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/politics/article/john-bercow-interview

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
12. Antisemitism unites the far right and the far left.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:24 PM
Nov 2019

And it is used as a political tool by both sides especially in Europe. The left only cares when the perpetuator is a Nazi. The right only cares when the perpetuator is a Muslim.

When you support Hamas and Hezbollah who want to kill all Jews you are antisemite.


The fact remains that many British Jews say they don't feel safe under a Corbyn government.

You asked for evidence about Corbyn antisemitism I showed you evidence.

One could have a low opinion of both Johnson and Corbyn. And if Labour had a different leader they might be in a position to win this election.

Denzil_DC

(7,222 posts)
13. You quoted an article from a journalist with vested interests
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 05:19 PM
Nov 2019

who explicitly said in that very article, "I genuinely believe Corbyn does not have an anti-Semitic bone in his body".

If that's your "evidence" that Corbyn is a "raging antisemite", I hope you never represent me in court.

Since the Israeli government helped found Hamas for political expediency, consistency would demand that you condemn it as antisemitic.

Accusations of antisemitism are also used as a political tool, and it's a vile practice. I can point you to evidence about how that's a deliberate tactic in certain quarters.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
14. The article says "Corbyn may not have an antisemitic bone in his body,"
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 05:27 PM
Nov 2019

... but shares share platforms with people who do.


He defended someone who said Israel was behind 9/11. He called an Islamist who said "jews were absent from the WTC" an "honored citizen."


He was present honoring the terrorists who perpetrated the Munich massacre

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-munich-attack-wreaths-palestinian-terrorists-antisemitism-a8489731.html

He has also honored IRA bombers. He has a record of backing terrorists.

Given how awful the Tories have been and how awful Boris is Labour should be way ahead.


Denzil_DC

(7,222 posts)
15. Yes, I'd read the article before I quoted from it.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 05:37 PM
Nov 2019

If I sound bored with it, it's because it's the one by Bloodworth usually trotted out on occasions such as this, so deja vu is rampant and the arguments are tired.

If we're condemning people for the platforms they share with others, there aren't going to be many politicians who venture outside their cocoon who escape condemnation.

I also talked about guilt by association and a bunch of other things, but you seem to be reluctant to address them in your raging determination to paint Corbyn as some sort of demagogue.

I know Corbyn of old, he's a disappointment in a number of ways, but the propaganda you're propagating is opportunistic in the worst way, and UK politics would have more of a chance of clawing its way out of its current morass without it.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
16. If something was one or two lapses in judgement I might agree with you.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 06:40 PM
Nov 2019

But when someone shares platforms with terrorists, over a long career it isn't propaganda to say they aren't fit for office.


Since I have been politically conscious I would have voted Labour in every election if I was a UK Citizen. I have a very progressive outlook and Corbyn seems like a security risk.

As I said Boris seems unfit too. I would probably vote Lib Dem. A least their position on Brexit is clear.

Denzil_DC

(7,222 posts)
11. Oh, and since you've gone quiet for now (may have better things to do, I don't know),
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:09 PM
Nov 2019

it seems weird - if not desperate - to cite in support of your blunt allegation that Corbyn is a "raging antisemite" an article by James Bloodworth, who's been on the wrong side of so many issues I can't be bothered to go into them, where he says explicitly (my bold): "While I genuinely believe Corbyn does not have an anti-Semitic bone in his body, he does have a proclivity for sharing platforms with individuals who do."

If you or Bloodworth want to persist in playing at guilt by association, this is going to be a very boring, long and ultimately irrelevant subthread.

I'm hoping this tedious, exhausting, frustrating and downright frightening at times election period for us in the UK Group isn't going to be continually sidetracked by this sort of guff, but at the moment the trends aren't hopeful.

keithbvadu2

(36,667 posts)
3. Doggone! This sounds somewhat familiar.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:08 AM
Nov 2019

Doggone! This sounds somewhat familiar.

Eric Trump in 2014: 'We have all the funding we need out of Russia ...

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
9. Putin is buying his way into other countries' politics
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 12:11 PM
Nov 2019

all the time and never faces repercussions. Did we ever put really hard sanctions on Russia after they screwed up our last one and this coming up(there is evidence that they are at it again).

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