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Related: About this forumCrazy Cruz scared of Kasih....Cruz talks up an RNC rule that would keep Kasich out of the convention
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/31/cruz-talks-up-an-rnc-rule-that-would-keep-kasich-out-of-the-convention/In interviews this week, Cruz has repeatedly invoked the RNC's rule 40b, which allows candidates to be nominated only if they've won total delegate majorities in eight states or more. That rule, hastily written in 2012 after then-Rep. Ron Paul of Texas nearly grabbed enough wins to be nominated, is now favored by allies of both Cruz and Donald Trump as a way of making Kasich or any establishment "savior" irrelevant.
"I think that would be a terrible idea for the Washington power brokers to change the rules, because theyre unhappy with the candidates who the voters are voting for," Cruz told radio host Hugh Hewitt on Tuesday. "It was the Washington establishment that put this rule in place. So now when the Washington establishment candidates are losing, they want to change the rules to try to parachute in some candidate who hasnt earned the votes of the people. That is nothing short of crazy."
President Cruz or Trump scares the sh!t out of me!!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)more beatable opponents. The choice so far is coming down to a choice between two highly immoral creeps, one or both with a diagnosable personality disorder, one a bizarre national clown and one a documented ultraconservative more extreme than even most tea partiers and a hard-core religious fanatic. They both scare most people.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)if their favorite Democratic candidate doesn't prevail in the democratic, Democratic Primary.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Hillary or Bernie would be okay with them and are happy that their side is in order -- nothing to be afraid of there.
It'll be different in the fall. How much we don't know, of course. Will ours be running against a creepy execution-loving, severely extreme conservative, religious fanatic or a clownish buffoon regarded with contempt by the entire planet, or...against a bland, relatively "whatever" conservative like a Mitt Romney?
Oh -- just realized you might be thinking of the barn-berner crowd here. For most it'll just be noise; those'll get over their disappointment and go vote. The rest can go wherever they do with each inevitably disappointing election.
Remember Hillary's sky-high favorability ratings among Democrats before she declared and Bernie came onto the field? Those number reflect all the Democrats who really actually like her. Routinely over 70%. Plus, a bunch more were okay with her. Those who later decided they preferred Bernie didn't suddenly have personality transplants and turn into HillHaters. They still like her. Exit polls prove it, too.
As for the poor Republicans, I was thinking that even turning to Cruz to get rid of Trump won't work for them. When it comes to policy, and weirdness, I suspect people will still see in him echoes of much they are repelled by in Trump, plus all the extremist alarm-ringers.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)people of the left will see the horror that awaits.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)hostile far left is way, way, way too small to worry about. The whole hard-core lot are probably clustered on a few dozen websites, with lots of overlap.
I hope more than usual of those who've fallen under their sway on these forums will be scared into voting for the Democratic candidate this time, but these were never the people who came out in sufficient numbers to elect liberal governments anyway.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Because if they did, or if their numbers were anywhere near what they purport ... there would be more elected liberals governments.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of unmet expectations has undoubtedly been greatly exacerbated by the right's decades-long efforts to train people to believe government is always corrupt, oppressive, and dysfunctional.
Their numbers are not, of course, but in so many elections are won by razor-thin margins...they matter. It'd be really good if they felt the Democratic Party were definitely the better and closer choice.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the left does a pretty good job at communicating the "government is always corrupt, oppressive, and dysfunctional" narrative, as well.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that perennially anxious* and negative-minded people are not especially vulnerable to manipulative claims that the liberals and Democrats are destroying the nation. The far left and far right seem to share a lot of the same basic wiring.
*One of the characteristics typical of extremists on both sides is apparently a conviction that the nation is always on the brink and only they could save it -- if only all the rest of us would get out of their way. (But if you mention a massacre in a far nation, and the person you're with immediately launches into a rant about evil American policies, that being the basic frame through which they view world events, there a 99% chance you're talking to a far-lefter. Far-righters will rant about the need to go stop/murder the foreigners before they come here and hurt us.)
But, in any case, I could be wrong, very frequently am, but I sort of expect that many of those on GD-P are mostly just caught up in the frenzy and not too radical to vote against the GOP if it comes to it. I'm curious to know, though, given how alienated many feel from a nation that does not share their feelings, is how many ever normally vote?
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)He's still a right wing extremist.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)both the most viable and not at all the benign moderate he is pretending to be. He is a strongly authoritarian social and religious conservative.
Not at all benign. No more benign than George W. Bush.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,319 posts)the purpose of this group? Just wondering.