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ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:43 AM Jan 2012

Obama struggles with San Gabriel Valley grass roots


U.S. Labor Secretary Hilda Solis came to speak at East Los Angeles College Jan. 26, 2012. Solis formerly represented the San Gabriel Valley in Congress. (SGVN/Staff photo Leo Jarzomb)

By Brian Charles, Staff Writer
Posted: 01/28/2012 06:11:19 AM PST

PASADENA - Efforts by Pres. Barack Obama to capture the populist sentiments of the past two years have struggled to gain traction among grass roots leaders in the San Gabriel Valley.

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"Why does Obama have to come up with this now during an election year?" asked Manuel Maldonado, founder and chair of No Te Dejes for Education, a La Puente voter education group. "The economic crisis started three years ago. Why didn't they come up with the answer then?"

Others said Obama's rousing State of the Union speech can't wash away the memory of the Wall Street appointments to key administrative positions and his failure to prosecute those involved in the mortgage crisis.

"From the very beginning he appointed Larry Summer, Ben Bernanke and people straight from Wall Street," said Patrick Briggs, Pasadena resident and Occupy and Moveon.org demonstrator. "Liberals saw and hoped for what we wanted to see, which was a liberal, but Obama was indeed a moderate."

Read more: http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_19842178?source=rss#ixzz1kpnWLgBl


This is my home area. I was at East Los Angeles College in 2004 to see Howard Dean and saw Hilda Solis speak too. I personally know Patrick Briggs and know him to have been a staunch anti-war protestor, Deaniac, Democrat, and Obama support in 2008. I'm really worried that the base of activists that the Obama campaign depended on to do the ground work in 2008 aren't going to show-up. Obama needs to throw the base some bones otherwise we're going to be relying on independents in November 2012 and that is a dicey proposition.

Don't underestimate the hatred for Obama in the Republican Party, it is a force to reckon with yet, and we need people like Manuel Maldonado and Patrick Briggs to deliver the vote. There are Democratic activists just like that in almost every state in the Union. I worry that the impression that's being put forth is that Team Obama is playing defense and not offense on a whole host of wedge issues where he will be attacked anyway, and so it might make sense to clearly state that he will not sell-out people like Manuel Maldonado and Patrick Briggs.

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keopeli

(3,514 posts)
1. I'm not lifting a finger without being paid good money to do so.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 05:26 AM
Jan 2012

I like Obama overall. He's smart and deliberate. However, I believe he cow-towed to the wealthy far too much in those critical first two years (and for far little gain politically). I gave a good chunk of money, a lot of time and an unusual amount of support in different groups in which I was involved in 2008.
Obama, in my mind, chose the rich to support him and that is what he must rely on. In spite of numerous pleas to provide adequate support to classes other than the rich and many opportunities to do so, he chose otherwise. Any DUer with just a little bit of memory can easily recall the numerous examples from which I speak.
Without any malice of forethought from me, I have no doubt that Obama and his wealthy backers can spend the money necessary to buy the Presidency in this post Citizens United country. If they want to pass some of the wealth my way, I'd be happy to help.
But, volunteer? Who has the time or resources to do that anymore? Not the college students and graduates that poured in support for Obama in 2008. Not the employed, who must now focus constantly on retaining their position. Not the unemployed, for obvious reasons. The retired, perhaps, but most are trying to support more of their extended family these days. That leaves the wealthy with vast amounts of time on their hands and plenty of money to sleep easily. I fail to understand why the wealthy are not all adamant defenders of Obama, as his leadership saved their derieres and they know it!
I hope everyone who works on the Obama campaign is paid justly for their efforts, as they all deserve to be. It's not like the campaign is lacking in resources.
I can't imagine voting for anyone but Obama in 2012. The saddest part of that reality is that Obama knew that would be the case in 2009 and took advantage of this vulnerability. His chief of staff was quite blunt about their rationale and intentions. I don't have to like the situation. I just have to vote. And that's exactly what I plan to do in 2012: vote.
Peace

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
2. Thank you for commenting.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 05:36 AM
Jan 2012

I think your disillusionment is hardly unique. I'm beginning to feel it myself...I don't like how the insiders seem to be running the show. I'm still defending him in person, but forget trying to do it on DU - or devoting hard earned money and time to it - I don't even really have $$$ to throw him. I'm just not sure they're really asking the activist base to do it as much this time around, and that is disappointing.

keopeli

(3,514 posts)
8. Mahalo for your thoughts. Just one point more: I don't feel disillusioned.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 07:20 AM
Jan 2012

I had a read on Obama's approach from early on in 2007. I taught at Punahou for a while, and I felt he would probably be a smart politician who plans well ahead and surrounds himself with a wide variety of allies. I also felt he would not want to upset the funding base of the Democratic Party.
I realize that Citizens United was decided early on (Jan. 2010) and that the party was forced to shift their strategy. However, Obama's dismissive attitude which he communicated through Rahm Emmanuel was a true indicator of the extent to which Obama was willing to compromise.
I give Obama many props for his successes. His overturning DADT was well done. His efforts at Health Insurance Reform are laudable. His grit as Commander in Chief has been on display for the world to see. His posture toward the Middle East has been transformational. His leadership has been bold and smart, without being dismissive or arrogant.
His faults are not all his own making, but Obama must own them. Failure to close Guantanamo was regrettable. Pursing close alliances with Wall Street, Big Pharma and TBTF Banks were all damaging, in my opinion.
While i may not have chosen the same path toward addressing our economic calamity, I will applaud Obama for salvaging the country from a devastatingly damaging self-inflicted wound left by his predecessor.
In 2008, young people in my life appealed to me with a fervor for the potential and hope of the Obama campaign. I knew, at the time, that this was a single-shot approach to campaigning. The reality of 2012 is quite different and I think Obama knows this. I have confidence that his campaign will prevail in general election. I do not think that they expect the same fervor this time around (though they hope for it, as we can see in his Populist message). The current campaign will be about creating the illusion of popular support through smart marketing. It has been done before, and it can be done again. Still, I expect a disconnect between reality for average Americans and what the campaign will be selling. This exemplifies modern incumbent Presidential campaigns. The most disappointing part is that it does not easily set up a winnable scenario in 2016, which I believe will be more important than 2008. The further development of nascent programs will be critical in 2016 if we are to hope for both real and lasting change.
I hope I haven't bored you with my thoughts. I just wanted to express that I think we're probably more on the same page than your response indicated.
Peace to you, my friend.
Mahalo nui loa and aloha

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
10. I think you're right that they don't expect the same fervor...
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 04:51 PM
Jan 2012

...When I look at their website and read their communications I don't see a campaign that's trying to particularly build up fervor either. They're sort of relying on people to make the same sort of rational analysis that you just made that there has been good and bad. You're right to point out that they are trying to create "the illusion of popular support through smart marketing." I'm almost sort of reminded of those hokey commercial events they do at the beginning of the college semester in some places to try and get the students to Target. It might look like it's working, but it's not really genuine attraction. I really do wish they would get bold again...but I'm

One of my old neighbors used to teach at Punahou and I know a couple people who went there. Great school if you can afford it.

Check out the Hawaii Group sometimes, I try to keep it updated with some of the more important local stories and there's some fun stuff like a music thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1047

Aloha.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
3. It takes a lot of money to run a presidential campaigna and to win it. BUT ...
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 06:54 AM
Jan 2012

that doesn't mean that President Obama has done everything that the folks that donated money to him wanted him to do.

We better hope that TONS of folks donate between now and election day and that TONS of folks volunteer to work to re-elect President Obama - because a republican president in the White House in 2013 would be disastrous for America!

The majority of things that President Obama HAS done in the past three years has been for the 'average everyday American'.

See here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022255





keopeli

(3,514 posts)
9. I agree, Tx4Obama, Obama has done a lot of good things in the past three years.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 07:29 AM
Jan 2012

I believe Obama understands full well that he will have to pursue campaign finances from different sources than those he tapped into in 2008. I believe he's smart and will be successful. I don't have to be the target of his financial support or recruitment of volunteers for them to succeed. The true populist in me wants his base to be a broad, progressive anchor of support. But, the realist in me knows that this is not the case. I'm proud of Obama. I want him to win again. I do have hope that his leadership will provide a lasting change in American politics and governance. And, I am grateful for your advocacy and efforts, Tx4Obama. I enjoy your posts and thoughts, and the native Texan in me just furthers my admiration toward you. I know that we're on the same team. More than anything, I want us to be playing a smart political game.
Peace

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
4. You nailed that. This article captures reality on the ground here also
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 09:37 AM
Jan 2012

The Party is having a hard time finding enough people who want to go through the troublle of running to be Obama delegates. That should tell them something about how the base really feels about Obama's triangulation and pandering to Wall St. I don't think they really care whay we think, though.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
5. I see a lot of this "fishing for negativity" and the Star News
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 06:42 PM
Jan 2012

is always at the forefront.

As you well know, I know both of these individuals and I'm glad I didn't serve in the war w/ either. They both presented huge challenges from within during and after the Dean campaign.

It's one thing to be a strong advocate for your position, but when you cause dissention in the ranks because things are not moving fast enough to satisfy your personal passions it becomes counter productive and hurts the entire movement/operation.

With that being said, many things that have transpired in the last three years have left me wanting, but I know that turning an oceanliner around is not the same as a speedboat, and I don't think the things that we all want can be acheived by one person or one election cycle. Grassroots organizers must be able to pick winnable fights and focus their energy on specific issues while letting others lead on things they are knowledgable about and willing to stand up for.

When you're pissed about everything and unfriendly media folks know you are the one to provide red meat for the opposition, you are not being helpful to the rest of us that are trying to convince the other 80% of the voting public to see things through our eyes.

The people here in the SGV are not stupid. They see the Republican obstruction for exactly what it is and will act accordingly in November. Our area becomes bluer every cycle, and considering where we were a few years ago it's damn near a miracle. It didn't happen because people were reading the Star News to find out which Democrats were pissed off. It happened because we went directly to the people w/ our message and how certain changes would benefit them and the rest of the country.

Always remember, "loose lips, sink ships." Airing family business only creats havoc later on...

Hope all is well w/ you.

JB

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
6. I think I'm mostly just worried...
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 07:19 PM
Jan 2012

...that the amount of this dissension will weaken the effort to not just re-elect the President but to take back the House and add Senate seats.

The media by nature is going to look for dissent. I think to an extent the Obama administration has done a relatively poor job of communicating with people like Patrick and Manuel (who I don't know). I think you saw some of that when instead of trying to incorporate people like that they went toward a very centrist line. I still wonder why when Tim Kaine was appointed Howard Dean was in American Samoa of all places. If you remember when Dean was appointed, Terry MacAulliffe was on stage to introduce and cheer him on. I'm really starting to think that there have been some lousy decisions made by some of the White House staff that have not just weakened, but shattered their faith. I was disappointed in the appointments of both Tim Kaine and Bill Daley. I thought neither appointment in anyway helped the effort to build a coalition. The DNC needed a full-time Chairman to keep building the party and Daley was far too much of an inside. Unsurprisingly, neither finished their expected duration as either DNC Chairman or White House Chief of Staff.

Sometimes though not airing that family business creates hard feelings - the old "thrown under the bus" feeling and that this inhibits strength and heeling. I do not know if its happened, but I wish someone would engage these two individuals and be responsive to their concerns. I don't think we get very far when we just deny that there is some legitimate feeling of disappointment. This party and this forum needs a Doctor!

We need to be picking up the glue and building something constructive rather than just writing people off. The White House has been throwing some bones to the base the last couple months, but for most of 2010-2011 they seemed like they were off in woods wandering instead of trying to drive the point home. I don't quite trust Team Obama to remember the lessons of 2004. We can't just go hard at the swing-states, we need something close to the 50-state strategy.

I do not share the optimism of so many about this election. I think we've taken big hits among certain demographics in swing states that we can't afford to lose. We'll just have to wait and see, but it wouldn't kill us to reach out and try to add to the team. I think I'll write to Patrick. I understand the desire for consistent messaging, but I also think the success of 2008 was in no small part to coalition building. Maybe I'll send Patrick a facebook message or something, I came across his flickr account about a month ago and have been meaning to touch base.

Things are so-so. Hope you cleaned-up from the windstorm alright!

P.S. I think the demographics of the SGV have been changing because of the economy and that's helping it go blue.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
7. Coalition building involves trade offs.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 08:15 PM
Jan 2012

No one was more pissed than me that Gov. Dean got the shaft and I won't even try to justify it. As you may remember, Obama was #1 on the Dean Dozen list, And the first to fully incorporate our 50 state model in a campaign. One would have thought this would have gotten Dean a huge recognition for his organizations efforts and examples that lead Obama to the White House, but.....
I told Obama to his face that it was a terrible mistake to let the Chicago crowd convince him to play safe and distance himself from the good Doctor. He simply shrugged and changed the subject. And just like some of the charactors in the Godfather, I and others grudgingly accepted the wisdom of our leader. I cursed under my breath, but when approached by the media and others, I kept my dissatisfation to myself.
Many of us worked hard to change the party from the ground up and when you look at it's delegates today (both here and nationally) you see the results have not been without merit.
Kaine by his very presence cost us the 2010 election. You can bet that mistake won't be repeated, but I'm all too aware that our party is made up of more than one ideological mindset, thus coalition building becomes even more crucial.

Lets remember what we're up against and work hard to ensure that we continue to place people in position that we at least have a chance for some of our desires to take hold. The other side won't provide anything but more misery and destruction.

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