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nofurylike

(8,775 posts)
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 06:45 AM Jan 2012

predawn reflection

Last edited Thu Jan 12, 2012, 08:12 AM - Edit history (2)

i had not posted here for a long time, but i have started posting because there are many people i deeply admire posting here, and i want to support their courage to do so; and because it is election season, and i support President Obama with my whole heart and soul.

in the time since President Obama's election, i have become estranged from two people who had been my very dearest friends, because their egos were seduced by the Professional Left. the last words to me of one of them were "i can't believe you would let politics end our friendship." the other used that old trick, "i'm entitled to my own opinion, stop trying to oppress my freedom of expression," lectured at me, as such people usually do, to halt my expressing my opinion, and my feelings.

it did not matter to either that they were betraying me in their efforts to undermine Democratic candidates, including our President. it does not matter to them that they are, in effect, supporting the election, feeding the power of people who wish me, a lesbian, dead - combined with all their other vile bigotry. neither is willing to face that i am at least as idealistic as they are, and am far more radically political than they are - have worked many times harder than either has to make Progressive ideals reality.

if asked whether they voted for VP Gore, or Senator Kerry against dubya, they would be aghast that i even wondered. if asked if they considered President Kennedy, or Senator Robert or Edward Kennedy a hero, they would exclaim, "of course!"

what i had to recognize, and made me heartsick, was that they are the same kind of racist that the Professional Left is. they are not like the extreme socialist Left, who seek the collapse of this country no matter who is elected to govern. they are people who believe that President Obama owes them more than Clinton, Gore, Kerry, or any other white male Democrat owed/owes them, since they, after all, HAD voted for him, The Black Man. it was like that during the Civil Rights Movement, where white supporters felt that they were doing blacks a favor, that they, themselves, were really superior, and that their opinions on HOW to achieve rights should be yielded to.

in the words of the Great Steve Biko, "white liberals always knew what was good for the blacks and told them so"; " ... the liberals are playing their old game. They are claiming a 'monopoly on intelligence and moral judgement ... ' "; "I am against the intellectual arrogance of white people that makes them believe that white leadership is a sine qua non in this country and that whites are the divinely appointed pacesetters in progress."

it does not matter to either of them that NO ONE could ever have achieved MORE than President Obama has, and that anyone who tried to hurry Progressive goals faster than the President did would have been even more absolutely obstructed, and by even more Democratic legislators; and that he, our President, knows that, and does a magnificent job of walking the tightrope between achievable goals and his own Progressive ideals.

all that matters to them is that he must do twice as much, twice as often, twice as well - and half as aggressively - for half the credit. well, more like a ten times as much, it has been shown.

that is also why i could not stomach the tone of this place since President Obama's election - before he was even IN office.

but there were times when i was devastated watching the Professional Left sabotage it ALL, and i would come read on the PBOG and the AA Group and be soothed, healed and enlightened by members here - brilliant people who actually research the FACTS before they come to conclusions. i found that, when the facts are revealed, the ideals, goals, and accomplishments of our President continually exceed my own hopes of what a president might accomplish.

i also know that, given another term in office, he will continue to pour his heart and soul into those ideals and goals; and that we will have the best chance we have ever had to see this country finally grow up, grow out of its white-supremacist roots and heritage, and maybe even survive the devastation we have inflicted upon the Earth. i work constantly toward that goal, and i recognize the dire threat of those who would sabotage his campaign.

so, HELLO! to all i so deeply admire, and have so sorely missed! i will be reading here! and i will be posting my appreciation whenever i possibly can!

thank you, all, so very much. for ALL you do; for your INSPIRATION, WISDOM, COURAGE and DEVOTION to Democratic Ideals.

You are my Heroes!



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predawn reflection (Original Post) nofurylike Jan 2012 OP
posted on AA Group, too. nt nofurylike Jan 2012 #1
Great to see you NFL!! JNelson6563 Jan 2012 #2
i am so happy to see you, too, Julie!! nofurylike Jan 2012 #7
That is exactly DevonRex Jan 2012 #3
P. S. Thank you for mentioning Paul's extreme homophobia. DevonRex Jan 2012 #4
i am moved to tears reading this, DevonRex. nofurylike Jan 2012 #9
"Yardwork is the one who made me see the light." Number23 Jan 2012 #16
I'll never forget it. DevonRex Jan 2012 #18
People posting on DU during the Dean campaign cally Jan 2012 #26
perfect!! "like saying you have a black friend so you couldn't possibly be racist, even as ... nofurylike Jan 2012 #8
You guys, I just have to share this post from NFL in the AA group Number23 Jan 2012 #5
thank you so very much, Number23! well said!! nofurylike Jan 2012 #10
You need no encouragement from me, girl Number23 Jan 2012 #17
my dear nofurylike Jan 2012 #24
Great Post! FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #6
thank you so very much, FarLeftFist!! nt nofurylike Jan 2012 #11
Thanks for writing this mini-masterpiece. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #19
. nofurylike Jan 2012 #25
And you are now my hero. babylonsister Jan 2012 #12
words nofurylike Jan 2012 #20
Well said and thank you nofurylike. great white snark Jan 2012 #13
i know struggling for words, and you spoke that beautifully, great white snark! nofurylike Jan 2012 #21
Christ ate with the tax collector zipplewrath Jan 2012 #14
thank you for commenting, zipplewrath. nofurylike Jan 2012 #22
I knew I missed you nfl, jaxx Jan 2012 #15
o! dear jaxx!! i have missed you too!! nofurylike Jan 2012 #23
Brava Ms Nofurylike!! Cha Jan 2012 #27
o! Gratitude!! nofurylike Jan 2012 #28
It does mean so much, nfl...all the way to Cha Jan 2012 #30
hear, hear! absolutely!! nofurylike Jan 2012 #33
Obama 2012! Yes! Kath1 Jan 2012 #29
Hear, hear! " Obama 2012! Yes!" YES! nofurylike Jan 2012 #31
Thanks, nofurylike! Kath1 Jan 2012 #32
great that you are going to post it around, Kath1! nofurylike Jan 2012 #34

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
2. Great to see you NFL!!
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 11:51 AM
Jan 2012

Awesome!! Have missed you terribly on the forums, you gentle soul!

Great to see you!

Julie

nofurylike

(8,775 posts)
7. i am so happy to see you, too, Julie!!
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 07:41 AM
Jan 2012

thank you, thank you so very much!!

i have missed you too, my sweet friend!

i am very happy to be posting here with YOU!!

nfl
me

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
3. That is exactly
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:40 PM
Jan 2012

what I've been thinking and feeling for the last 3 years. It's why I've left several times and even when I came back I had absolutely nothing to say. What can you say when this is what you believe to your very core?

Voting for him and then tearing him apart like no other before him is like saying you have a black friend so you couldn't possibly be racist, even as you insinuate all black people are on food stamps despite the facts.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
4. P. S. Thank you for mentioning Paul's extreme homophobia.
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 01:30 PM
Jan 2012

I've been ranting and raving about that until I'm blue in the face. I'm really disturbed that so many people are ignoring it. He really does want LGBTs back in the closet, AIDS patients to die and had a preacher on his website who wants the death penalty for gays.

The thought that anyone could hold RP up as an improvement over Obama makes me sick. Just sick.

BTW, the most disturbing line the other night came from Romney when he said, "just don't call it marriage."

The reason it upset me so much? I used to think that way. I was stupid. I was taking the rights I have as a straight person for granted. I thought if something else conveys the same legal rights then you guys should be happy with it since it wouldn't upset the fundies as much.

And I thought that all marriages should be civil unions in the govt's eyes. Take religion out of it and it'd be easier for everyone.

How arrogant was that? Pretty damn arrogant. I minimized LGBT concerns. I replaced their concerns with my own. Thank God I evolved. Yardwork is the one who made me see the light. And I'm thinking that a whole lot of people have been evolving and will continue to do so. I also believe that Obama is personally for same sex marriage but that he knows he has to speak carefully about it until his second term. There's an excellent article about a gay
Bishop in LGBT and that's what he thinks too.

nofurylike

(8,775 posts)
9. i am moved to tears reading this, DevonRex.
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:19 AM
Jan 2012

thank you so very much!!

this world has grown so far, so fast, my dear. more than i had ever dreamt possible! and you have far more insight than many ever will!

thank you for pointing that out about "Paul's extreme homophobia." those are the facts we ought to be shouting from rooftops. repugs pretty much all wish us harm, if not death. they have been very dangerous to us, for a long time.

i believe the same of President Obama as you express, including that he knows that we are far, far, far better off with him as president, and that that entails his being able to walk that tightrope. he has always expressed his support for full equality.

thank you for the word about the article in LGBT. i am going to find it right now. more on that after i read it.


Number23

(24,544 posts)
16. "Yardwork is the one who made me see the light."
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 06:40 PM
Jan 2012

Wow. In almost four years of being here, that is the FIRST TIME I have ever come across someone saying that posting and/or reading here has actually changed their mind about something for the BETTER. First time I have EVER seen that. Most responses I've seen is that posting here has made people angrier, more distrusting, more loathing of the far left etc. etc. etc.

Serious props go to yardwork for that. Major props. And props also to you Dev for being open enough to receive the lesson.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
18. I'll never forget it.
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 06:53 PM
Jan 2012

We argued and yelled. But she must have seen something in me that made her keep trying. In the end she asked me a simple question: Why does it have to be called something else just because gays want to do it?

Of course I had no answer. It was as if a part of my brain just opened up. It was like separate but equal all over again. Being from the South originally, I knew all about how horrendous that policy was. Yet I had in effect been arguing for it in the case of same sex marriage. I was an idiot.

cally

(21,591 posts)
26. People posting on DU during the Dean campaign
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 10:01 PM
Jan 2012

changed my mind about gay marriage. I was like DevonRex, I thought it would be civil unions would be OK. People on DU made me understand why that was wrong. I've always been thankful that posters took the time to respectfully explain instead of just bashing me for not agreeing.

nofurylike

(8,775 posts)
8. perfect!! "like saying you have a black friend so you couldn't possibly be racist, even as ...
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 07:55 AM
Jan 2012

you insinuate all black people are on food stamps despite the facts." YES!!

you put words to it so very well, DevonRex! it really is as if they voted for President Obama to prove they are not racist, because they need some way to counterbalance that they are - consciously or not; then, punish him for their own discomfort with themselves!

i had been having a very hard time stepping up to post here again. then i received cherished encouragement from people i adore here, and i saw the changes here, and that you are host of the PBOG. thank you so much for doing that, DevonRex!!




Number23

(24,544 posts)
5. You guys, I just have to share this post from NFL in the AA group
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 01:00 AM
Jan 2012

because it blew my mind like few things have on this web site.

"that whining Professional Left "loudly wondering what the point of voting is," is the damnable handmaiden of white-supremacists!!" http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=150


And not just white supremacists but every single person that would deny people their rights based on their appearance, gender, geography, sexual orientation etc.

Anyone who considers themselves a "liberal" but goes out of their way to depress voter turnout and discourage people from voting is nothing of the sort. Black folks, women, the poor etc. need not only be the first ones at the polls but we also need to be the first ones tossing our hats into the ring to run for elected office.

The simple truth and power of NFL's words just blew me away.

nofurylike

(8,775 posts)
10. thank you so very much, Number23! well said!!
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:44 AM
Jan 2012
Anyone who considers themselves a "liberal" but goes out of their way to depress voter turnout and discourage people from voting is nothing of the sort. Black folks, women, the poor etc. need not only be the first ones at the polls but we also need to be the first ones tossing our hats into the ring to run for elected office.

YES YES YES!!!


your encouragement means a lot to me, dear friend

Number23

(24,544 posts)
17. You need no encouragement from me, girl
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 06:47 PM
Jan 2012

You got it all figured out already.

I'm sitting at your feet learning the lessons that you so generously and effortlessly give.

nofurylike

(8,775 posts)
24. my dear
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 12:01 PM
Jan 2012

you have been teaching and encouraging me for years.

may i be so blessed as to be able to return some to YOU!

thank you, o! thank you so much for your cherished words to me, dear #23.

babylonsister

(171,035 posts)
12. And you are now my hero.
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 10:31 AM
Jan 2012

Thank you for sharing, and for working towards keeping this man in office, where he needs to be, for not compromising your ideals, and for recognizing what the real problem just might be in this country among our supporters. I think you are correct and brave to give voice to that.

Great to see you here and please keep posting!

nofurylike

(8,775 posts)
20. words
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 08:54 AM
Jan 2012

fail me.

dear babylonsister, i have admired you very much, for a long time. receiving those words from you means more than i can say! thank you, thank you so very much!

i receive courage, insight and inspiration from you, and others here, constantly! seeing you and others persist in trying to reach those we so need to awaken got me past my self-protective hesitance. i could not watch and SO ADMIRE and yet stay safely tucked away from the direct conflicts of it all. how proud i am to stand with all of You!!

i am very happy to see you here, and to be posting here with You!!!

great white snark

(2,646 posts)
13. Well said and thank you nofurylike.
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 11:26 AM
Jan 2012

I too get frustrated by so called Democrats minimizing everything our President has done and wants to do. Then every once in a while a post like yours comes along and my batteries recharge. I'm also reminded that I'm so grateful for you and the many supporters who post here...I'm just a simple, often abrasive Marine who most of the time cannot find the words. You guys and gals speak for me and everyone else like me.

4 more years!

nofurylike

(8,775 posts)
21. i know struggling for words, and you spoke that beautifully, great white snark!
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 09:13 AM
Jan 2012

thank you so very much for your kind words and encouragement!! our sharing awareness of what is true helps a lot with that often overwhelming frustration!

i am honored by your words. for a post of mine to be able to recharge your batteries, and to speak for you, means more than i can say.


"4 more years!" YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!

Together, we can

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
14. Christ ate with the tax collector
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 12:49 PM
Jan 2012

If you really want to "support him with your whole heart and soul", you might want to consider "re-engaging". Obama's approach is to engage his opposition, not run from it. Even when it hurts. History is filled with examples of people who engaged the "hate". Nelson Mandela embraced his captors, Ted Kennedy was renowned for his ability to engage the GOP, socially and politically. The story of Christ accepting an invitation to dine with the tax collect is intended to illustrate this approach. It's why we have embassies in countries we don't always really like. In Obama's second book, he talks extensively about his own journey in learning how to engage people who he was fairly sure saw a black man first. Malcom X ultimately came to the position of realizing that an important part of confronting hatred, is embracing the hater, not running from them, or returning the hate.

Obviously there are limits to everything, and there is a difference between being "friends" and being "friendly". I live in a conservative neighborhood, and everyone knows where I stand. But because of that, I make an extra effort to engage them in as many ways as I can, even though it isn't always "enjoyable".

jaxx

(9,236 posts)
15. I knew I missed you nfl,
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 04:14 PM
Jan 2012

but I never realized just how much until I came in and read this post. You have a way of striking at the heart of a matter that gives it much more meaning to the people who read your thoughts.

For who you are nfl, thank you. For what you stand for, thank you. It's a privilege to stand with you, to believe with you.

Always,
P

nofurylike

(8,775 posts)
23. o! dear jaxx!! i have missed you too!!
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:51 AM
Jan 2012

your beautiful words touch me to my deepest heart, my very dear friend
thank you, thank you so very much!!

your dedication and your clarity have been vital inspirations to me, jaxx. your kindness and your example have carried me through doubt and fear.

- and rage. and sorrow beyond the telling. i will never, ever, ever forget, dear one.

yes,

Always,


m

Cha

(296,859 posts)
27. Brava Ms Nofurylike!!
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 01:39 AM
Jan 2012

It was brilliant reading your pre dawn reflection~ Thank you so much for sharing your poignant perspective. I'm sorry the ignorance that is prevasive from the profiteering left has hit so close to home with you, nfl.

They are on the wrong side of history and here we are..still cheering our President on to bigger and better accomplishments for Amercia! I'm so thankful I didn't have to miss this! It's been the most awesome experience to be a part of something bigger than myself with such dedicated and focused cyberbaby sistahs and brahs!

nofurylike

(8,775 posts)
28. o! Gratitude!!
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:17 AM
Jan 2012

my cherished cyberbaby sistah!!

your kind and caring words mean so very much to me, Cha!!

i LOVE this:

It's been the most awesome experience to be a part of something bigger than myself with such dedicated and focused cyberbaby sistahs and brahs!

perfect



nofurylike

(8,775 posts)
33. hear, hear! absolutely!!
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 04:32 AM
Jan 2012

all the way to our very survival!!!

thank you so very much for adding that, dear Cha!



(third attempt to post this same reply - and days ago, it showed as successfully posted ... then vanished! )

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
29. Obama 2012! Yes!
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 09:25 AM
Jan 2012

Very well said, nofurylike.

I too will be supporting Obama for President. I remember chain-smoking while watching the early 2008 election results come in, scared to death of a McCain-Palin administration (or Bush administration #3). I remember my elation at the election of President Obama and going to DC to join in the celebration that was his inauguration.

President Obama has done a lot and will continue to do a lot. He believes in peacefull solutions rather than war. He wants to cut a bloated military budget. He wants the rich to pay their fair share. He supports gay rights. He has been a strong supporter of women's reproductive rights. In other words, I wholeheartedly agree with you that NO ONE could ever have achieved MORE than President Obama has in advancing Progressive goals in this country!

I am very proudly displaying my 2012 sticker and button and am encouraging all of my friends to support Obama 2012. With his leadership, we are heading in the right direction and a Republican victory in 2012 would be devestating.

Thank YOU, for YOUR devotion to Democratic ideals!

PEACE!

nofurylike

(8,775 posts)
31. Hear, hear! " Obama 2012! Yes!" YES!
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 05:03 AM
Jan 2012

thank you so very much for your kind words, and for that great post, Kath1!

you said all of that superbly!! in fact, reading it all encapsulated like that choked me up, it amazes me so!! i hope you will post that all around!!

I am very proudly displaying my 2012 sticker and button and am encouraging all of my friends to support Obama 2012. With his leadership, we are heading in the right direction ...


wonderful!! me too!!!

PEACE, YOU TOO!

nofurylike

(8,775 posts)
34. great that you are going to post it around, Kath1!
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 04:50 AM
Jan 2012

"Yes We Can - Again In 2012!"

YES YES YES!!!

thank you so!!

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