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Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 06:02 AM Jan 2016

Grimm's fairy tales actually thousands of years old.

I love stuff like this. From the BBC website.

Fairy tales like Beauty and the Beast can be traced back thousands of years, according to researchers at universities in Durham and Lisbon.

Using techniques normally employed by biologists, academics studied links between stories from around the world and found some had prehistoric roots.

They found some tales were older than the earliest literary records, with one dating back to the Bronze Age.

The stories had been thought to date back to the 16th and 17th Centuries.
In the 19th Century, authors the Brothers Grimm believed many of the fairy tales they popularised were rooted in a shared cultural history dating back to the birth of the Indo-European language family.

Later thinkers challenged that view, saying some stories were much younger and had been passed into oral tradition having first been written down by writers from the 16th and 17th Centuries.

Durham University anthropologist Dr Jamie Tehrani, who worked with folklorist Sara Graca Da Silva, from the New University of Lisbon, said: "We can come firmly down on the side of Wilhelm Grimm.

"Some of these stories go back much further than the earliest literary record and indeed further back than Classical mythology - some versions of these stories appear in Latin and Greek texts - but our findings suggest they are much older than that."

The study, which was published in the Royal Society Open Science journal, employed phylogenetic analysis, which was developed to investigate evolutionary relationships between species.

It also used a tree of Indo-European languages to trace the descent of shared tales to see how far they could be demonstrated to go back in time.

Dr Tehrani said Jack And The Beanstalk was rooted in a group of stories classified as The Boy Who Stole Ogre's Treasure, and could be traced back to when Eastern and Western Indo-European languages split more than 5,000 years ago.

Analysis showed Beauty And The Beast and Rumpelstiltskin to be about 4,000 years old.

And a folk tale called The Smith And The Devil, about a blacksmith selling his soul in a pact with the Devil in order to gain supernatural abilities, was estimated to go back 6,000 years to the Bronze Age.

Dr Tehrani said: "We find it pretty remarkable these stories have survived without being written.

"They have been told since before even English, French and Italian existed."

"They were probably told in an extinct Indo-European language."



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35358487
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Grimm's fairy tales actually thousands of years old. (Original Post) Bad Dog Jan 2016 OP
Well, duh. Javaman Jan 2016 #1
It has been long known they were recording an oral tradition. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #2

Javaman

(62,504 posts)
1. Well, duh.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jan 2016

it's long been known that the Brother Grimm cobbled together old stories and tales into one volume.

they may have tried to lay claim to being the originators at one time, but that has long been dispelled as BS on their part.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
2. It has been long known they were recording an oral tradition.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 06:04 PM
Jan 2016

People didn't think they went back that far, we're talking thousands, not hundreds of years. That's the point.

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