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riversedge

(70,186 posts)
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 04:12 PM Sep 2015

Hillary Clinton Did Not Break Law In Deleting Emails, DOJ Says



http://www.hngn.com/articles/128198/20150910/hillary-clinton-break-law-deleting-emails-doj.htm

Hillary Clinton Did Not Break Law In Deleting Emails, DOJ Says

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"There is no question that Secretary Clinton had authority to delete personal emails without agency supervision - she appropriately could have done so even if she were working on a government server," Department of Justice lawyers told a judge.



By Taylor Tyler | Sep 10, 2015 12:20 PM EDT

Hillary Clinton
"Under policies issued by both the National Archives and Records Administration ('NARA') and the State Department, individual officers and employees are permitted and expected to exercise judgment to determine what constitutes a federal record," Justice Department lawyers said. (Photo : Twitter Photo Section)

U.S. Justice Department lawyers told a federal court Wednesday that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's use of a private email account was not against the law, nor was it illegal for her to unilaterally determine which messages were considered work-related and necessary to return to the State Department for record keeping.

"There is no question that Secretary Clinton had authority to delete personal emails without agency supervision - she appropriately could have done so even if she were working on a government server," the administration lawyers argued in what was the strongest legal defense yet of the nation's former top diplomat, according to The Washington Times. "Under policies issued by both the National Archives and Records Administration ('NARA') and the State Department, individual officers and employees are permitted and expected to exercise judgment to determine what constitutes a federal record."

The legal brief said it is up to employees to "review each message, identify its value and either delete it or move it to a record-keeping system."

The lawyers insisted they have no power or obligation to demand that Clinton hand over documents she has not already provided.
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Hillary Clinton Did Not Break Law In Deleting Emails, DOJ Says (Original Post) riversedge Sep 2015 OP
But but but...you know it's not the crime, it's the coverup. CincyDem Sep 2015 #1
We have moved on from "not the crime" to PR stupidity. planetc Sep 2015 #5
So true but now just the R's.. Tommy2Tone Sep 2015 #10
It's Not the Reality- It's the M$M Manufactured Outrage Du Jour.. and anyone else who hops on their Cha Sep 2015 #23
I have been struggling to figure out what law she broke Gothmog Sep 2015 #2
Was never in doubt or in question by anyone other than the GOP MSM that is bound and randys1 Sep 2015 #3
With this information who is trustworthy? Sure isn't the RW push of Hillary Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #4
NEVER trust morning-joe! riversedge Sep 2015 #6
He provides all the RW crap I can take. I just like to rub his face in it. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #7
Hope to see this plastered on msm and NYT FloridaBlues Sep 2015 #8
Seems like a Friday news dump and you know how THEY go... Gloria Sep 2015 #14
Not many articles on this issue from yesterday--Washington Times is riversedge Sep 2015 #15
To another point Tommy2Tone Sep 2015 #11
She was a great lady and opened doors for others. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #13
Well, that crew did get their faces rubbed in it last time and will again. Hortensis Sep 2015 #30
Not to worry... msrizzo Sep 2015 #9
Here another story on this from PolitusUSA msrizzo Sep 2015 #12
Yes, that is the first place I saw it thought riversedge Sep 2015 #16
SAME! I participated in a Twitter-storm of media shaming. We had only Wash Times, and much later... DeepModem Mom Sep 2015 #19
I looked about an hour ago but did not see it in nytimes. riversedge Sep 2015 #21
Good! Same thing with Benghazi..no there there. Just poor hapless beings tying to smear with it. Cha Sep 2015 #24
McClatchy is finally covering this important story riversedge Sep 2015 #17
FINALLY, major media is covering this HUGE (Trump word) story! It took some Twitter... DeepModem Mom Sep 2015 #18
Yes, it did. Kath1 Sep 2015 #20
I am glad you participated. Good for you. I did not know it was going on. riversedge Sep 2015 #22
chris hayes on msnbc said there was hardly any reporting about this. trueblue2007 Sep 2015 #25
Saw that, also Kath1 Sep 2015 #26
All In with Chris Hayes 9/11/15 Justice Department: Clinton within law to delete emails riversedge Sep 2015 #27
tweet-->Justice Department: Hillary Clinton within law to delete emails: riversedge Sep 2015 #28
Obviously, she has done nothing wrong. Kath1 Sep 2015 #29

planetc

(7,805 posts)
5. We have moved on from "not the crime" to PR stupidity.
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 04:55 PM
Sep 2015

There is a whole set of ranked reservations and insults the media use when their initial charges blow away like smoke. We have the Clintons "stonewalling" if they don't turn over records as fast as their enemies want them to, or there aren't any records. So, they start out by stonewalling, but, if there's nothing either to talk about or to conceal, then they aren't handling the media correctly, or have "blamed the media." "Blaming the media" always looks like whining, even if the media are clearly entirely responsible for the accusation du jour. The "vast right wing conspiracy" is entirely real and well documented. What the media never consider is how much amplification they're giving the right wing conspirators, because if there's anything the matter at all, it's the Clintons' fault, not theirs. Nothing, but nothing, is ever the fault of the media, especially the NYTimes. Okay, that's a summary of the current state of play in the Great Game of Get the Clintons. I now return you to our regularly scheduled activities.

Tommy2Tone

(1,307 posts)
10. So true but now just the R's..
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 05:47 PM
Sep 2015

I have seen a fair amount of D's and of course the NY Times and other rags have made it a quest to bring down Hillary.

Cha

(297,138 posts)
23. It's Not the Reality- It's the M$M Manufactured Outrage Du Jour.. and anyone else who hops on their
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:10 PM
Sep 2015

Outrage wagon.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
3. Was never in doubt or in question by anyone other than the GOP MSM that is bound and
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 04:41 PM
Sep 2015

determined to destroy her.

I think they are going to do it and I think we will get a con WH and Senate and House as a result and I hope I live long enough to see the death, destruction and chaos that will follow.

I want to see it, I want to say "I told you so" if there is a DU allowed to exist where I can say it.

But net neutrality will be a thing of the past so DU wont exist and if it does you wont be able to get a page to turn over.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. With this information who is trustworthy? Sure isn't the RW push of Hillary
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 04:54 PM
Sep 2015

Breaking laws as Joe Scarborough claims, it must be Joe Scarborough who isn't trustworthy.

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
14. Seems like a Friday news dump and you know how THEY go...
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 07:29 PM
Sep 2015

disappear as if nothing came out.

But, I'm sure the campaign will now use it....as they should.

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
15. Not many articles on this issue from yesterday--Washington Times is
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 07:39 PM
Sep 2015

cited a lot. Strange. After seeing the article announced on twitter I googled it but as I said, as of a few hours ago not much out there considered Hillary's email is on the news 24/7

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Well, that crew did get their faces rubbed in it last time and will again.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 03:25 PM
Sep 2015

They just won't be so surprised this time.

msrizzo

(796 posts)
9. Not to worry...
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 05:44 PM
Sep 2015

The usual suspects (Morning Joe, NYT, et al) will tell us shortly why this doesn't mean what we think it means. There's a law broken in there somewhere and they will not rest until they find it!

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
16. Yes, that is the first place I saw it thought
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 07:41 PM
Sep 2015

it rather odd that not covered (barely--I found the OP via google) by major news outlets. I went looking cause I did not want to site Washington Times.

DeepModem Mom

(38,402 posts)
19. SAME! I participated in a Twitter-storm of media shaming. We had only Wash Times, and much later...
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:04 PM
Sep 2015

BuzzFeed. Not enough! AP, more have it now. Haven't looked to see if shameful NYT folks are covering.

Cha

(297,138 posts)
24. Good! Same thing with Benghazi..no there there. Just poor hapless beings tying to smear with it.
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:14 PM
Sep 2015

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
17. McClatchy is finally covering this important story
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:00 PM
Sep 2015



http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article34977387.html



National

September 11, 2015
Justice Department: Clinton had right to delete personal emails

Conservative group fights for preservation order from federal judge

Clinton followed an appropriate procedure, Justice Department lawyers argue

Do Clinton’s personal emails even still exist?
Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., chairman of the House Benghazi Committee whose investigation sparked the furor over Hillary Clinton’s emails, oversaw a closed interview with Friday with Cheryl Mills, Clinton’s former chief of staff.
Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., chairman of the House Benghazi Committee whose investigation sparked the furor over Hillary Clinton’s emails, oversaw a closed interview with Friday with Cheryl Mills, Clinton’s former chief of staff. HARRER BLOOMBERG NEWS

By Greg Gordon

ggordon@mcclatchydc.com



WASHINGTON

The Obama administration has forcefully defended former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s right to delete over 31,000 emails from her private server and says the State Department has no obligation to try to recover them.

“There is no question that former Secretary Clinton had authority to delete personal emails without agency supervision – she appropriately could have done so even if she were working on a government server,” lawyers for the Justice Department’s Civil Division wrote in a federal court brief that drew little notice when it was filed Wednesday.

But Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, one of a number of conservative-leaning groups suing over the emails, said Friday that the Justice Department “is out to lunch” because the emails on Clinton’s account effectively belonged to the government.

“This is jaw dropping,” he said.
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Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article34977387.html#storylink=cpy

DeepModem Mom

(38,402 posts)
18. FINALLY, major media is covering this HUGE (Trump word) story! It took some Twitter...
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:59 PM
Sep 2015

media-site shaming, folks.

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
27. All In with Chris Hayes 9/11/15 Justice Department: Clinton within law to delete emails
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 01:14 AM
Sep 2015

Here it is . short and sweet



http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/doj--clinton-within-law-to-delete-emails-524100163553?cid=sm_tw_msnbc


All In with Chris Hayes 9/11/15


Justice Department: Clinton within law to delete emails

Yesterday -- though practically no one in the media noticed, we got the best indication yet, from the Department of Justice, that Hillary Clinton did not violate the law when she deleted personal emails. Duration: 1:40

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
28. tweet-->Justice Department: Hillary Clinton within law to delete emails:
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 01:18 AM
Sep 2015

great photo with it...


MSNBC ‏@MSNBC 2h2 hours ago

Justice Department: Hillary Clinton within law to delete emails: http://on.msnbc.com/1K287Aw (Getty)

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