Democrats encouraged by latest 2016 head-to-head poll

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There is a video at the link-starts at about 50 seconds -a segment from this evenings show. I wish they would leave Biden out of these polls. Sanders is not included in the new poll (not yet released)

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/democrats-encouraged-by-latest-2016-poll-524131395639

The Rachel Maddow Show 9/11/15

Democrats encouraged by latest 2016 head-to-head poll



Rachel Maddow shares a sneak peek at the results of a new MSNBC/Telemundo/Marist poll which shows both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden beating Republican opponents in hypothetical match-ups, even as Biden is keeping political observers guessing and Senator Bernie Sanders is taking his campaign to the South with Dr. Cornel West. Duration: 4:45

[Tommy2Tone]

1. Why would they have a poll with Biden and not Bernie?

Not a Bernie fan but come on.

[Tarheel_Dem]

2. I suspect this polling firm already knows what the rest of M$M refuses to acknowledge or talk about.

Bernie Sanders’s Support: Even More Unequal Than U.S. Incomes
Nate Cohn | AUG. 27, 2015


The supporters of Bernie Sanders keep telling me that I’m wrong about their coalition, which I’ve written is too narrow to succeed. At this rate, Mr. Sanders doesn’t have nearly enough support among moderate, nonwhite and Southern voters to win the Democratic presidential nomination.

So here’s a different framework for thinking about Mr. Sanders’s challenge, perhaps one that will resonate with his supporters: inequality.

It is tempting to look at Mr. Sanders’s huge crowds and assume that he has a good chance. To me, that’s as convincing as saying the Connecticut economy is booming because the houses in Greenwich are so big and pretty.

.....It’s the same thing for the Sanders campaign. In places like Seattle; Portland, Ore.; and Burlington, Vt., more than a thousand people showed up to house parties. But in 12 congressional districts, there were no Sanders events at all.

The public opinion polls show the problem. While Mr. Sanders is in striking distance of Hillary Rodham Clinton in Oregon and Wisconsin — and a second New Hampshire poll shows him leading — there are vast swaths of the country where Mr. Sanders has little support at all. He’s down by 68 points in Alabama, 78 to 10. He has 11 percent support in Georgia. In rural Georgia, he has 6 percent. Many surveys show him struggling to get out of the single digits among black voters, who represent around 20 percent of the Democratic primary electorate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/upshot/the-inequality-of-support-in-bernie-sanderss-campaign.html?_r=0

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3. Good take

The article points out the problem that Bernie's fans choose to ignore. How does Bernie win a primary with a representative number of people of color? I like you don't believe he can compete let alone win.

[Hortensis]

4. Great, but I'm dialing back my assumption just a tad that she must of course win

given this weird election season. Whether it turns out to be remarkable for a bunch of armchair rioters acting out their anger and then just turning away for a surge of a delayed change that began with Obama's election, something very different is happening. (A delay I'm assuming was created by Big Money, whose control over their little people seems to be slipping.)

The popularity of an obscure democratic socialist that confounded all observers is very much a symptom. As is the election of that liberal progressive mayor in Nashville who promised the voters everything southern conservatives are supposed to hate.

I'm reading Nate Silver and am quite happy with and reassured by his solid, data-based conclusions, but there's a lot of election season to come and it's clear the analysts do not really understand what's happening out there.